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60. So much could be avoided if
Mon Jun 2, 2025, 07:09 AM
Jun 2

the international media were allowed into Gaza and/or our media was not so
heavily censored .
REF : https://www.972mag.com/israeli-military-censor-media-2024/

Agreed , its an awful thread , everyone on it should read this in full :

Unable to Justify Their Army Killing Children in Gaza, Israelis Retreat Into Deep Denial

Israeli mainstream media has amplified doubts about the IDF strike that killed nine siblings in Gaza. It reflects a public eager for news that denies the bitter truth, as no Israeli or foreign journalists are allowed into Gaza to cover it

Nir Hasson
May 27, 2025

Israel's mainstream media has, over the past few days, found airtime to cover the nine young al-Najjar siblings killed in their family's Gaza home last Friday during an IDF attack.

But on Monday morning, one headline declared, "Web surfers reveal: The picture of the dead children isn't up-to-date." Another media outlet quoted an anonymous army source who asserted that "it cannot be determined that the children of the doctor in Gaza were killed in an IDF attack."

The tangle of fake news can best be unraveled by stating the facts: Nine siblings – Yahya, Rakan, Raslan, Gebran, Eve, Rival, Sayden, Luqman and Sidra – were, in fact, killed in their Khan Yunis home on Friday. The Israel Defense Forces told Haaretz that on the day of the attack, it was operating in the area.

Nasser Hospital, where the parents Hamdi and Alaa al-Najjar work as doctors, issued a statement Saturday. The incident was verified by the British Sky News network, which interviewed two British doctors at the hospital.

Afterwards, further details were provided by the dead children's uncle. A Gaza rescue organization released gruesome footage of the seven small bodies, burned and torn to pieces, being recovered. The other two children are apparently buried under rubble. Major media outlets published photos of the family and the bodies a few hours after the incident.

Layers of fake news were quickly appended to the hard facts. For example, photos created with artificial intelligence of the mother with the bodies of her children were distributed. Photos of children from other families, alleged to be the children who were killed, were also circulated. These included a photo of seven children sitting and drinking juice from plastic cups, which was said to be of the al-Najjar siblings, when, in fact, it showed another family – the Abu Daka family.

The picture of those children had been circulated in mid-March after five of them – Omar, Muhammad, Hala, Sama and Qusai – were killed the night Israel first violated the cease-fire. That night, about 300 Palestinian women and children were killed in a series of bombings in the Gaza Strip. Perhaps the mainstream and social media should be forgiven – so many children and so many families have been killed, it is hard to keep all the facts straight.

Last week, the Gaza Health Ministry published the names of 16,506 children killed since the war began in October 2023. Three weeks ago, it announced that 2,200 Gazan families had been struck from the population register because all their members had been killed.

The Israeli media – some of which published the erroneous images – has been celebrating the doubts that have surfaced about the event. Instead of apologizing, they have circulated misleading images and published reports aimed at undermining the veracity of the incident. A major Israeli media outlet used a photo of the Abu Daka family to "ask questions" – that is, to cast doubt on what actually happened that day.

Public relations people call this "merchandising doubt," but in Israeli discourse, it's just, "I'm just asking a question." A similar practice has been employed with the Rabin assassination, the "flat earth" theory, and Deep State conspiracies. Merchandising doubt is easy and effective because it allows one to challenge reality without denying it.

However, the media does not only represent itself – it reflects the public mood. Its coverage doesn't fall on deaf ears. The Israeli public is seeking news that denies the bitter truth.


Lies, exaggerations and fake news have dominated Israeli discourse since October 7. To this day, millions of Israelis still believe that on that day, terrorists beheaded a baby, hung a child on a clothesline, put a baby in an oven, and removed a fetus from a pregnant woman. All of these stories have been debunked countless times, but are still regarded as factual.

The fake news, of course, doesn't stop there. The Israeli mainstream is obsessed with the "Pallywood" conspiracy – a mashup of the words Palestine and Hollywood – which claims that the horror videos coming out of Gaza are staged. Needless to say, there is no proof for the theory.

In defense of the Israeli media, it must be acknowledged that it is difficult to cover the war in Gaza. Journalists have to write about it remotely, without access to the war zone and without the ability to hear the voices and see the sights with their own eyes. The fact that the residents of Gaza live in fear under Hamas' reign of terror, hungry and without shelter, while exposed to severe bombings, makes the work of the journalist seeking the truth even more difficult.

Add to this the difficulties of communication in the Gaza Strip, as well as the fact that the IDF prohibits foreign journalists from entering its territory. All of this is happening at a time when AI is growing more sophisticated at an exponential rate. It is increasingly difficult to distinguish between real and fabricated images.

But all these limitations cannot excuse the media for preferring negligence and flattery over professionalism. Instead of dealing with the matter itself – the terrible disaster, the war crimes and crimes against humanity committed in our name and with our hands – the media throws unanswered questions up in the air.


Denying atrocities committed in our name is not unique to Israelis. Many Palestinians deny the horrors of October 7 to this day and believe that most of those killed were hit by IDF fire and that Hamas didn't kill civilians, only soldiers. Dr. Assaf David, of the Forum for Regional Thinking and the Van Leer Institute, sees the similarity between the two societies in this as a source of comfort.
"Denying the atrocities that your side has committed is an attempt to maintain your humanity," he explains. "When you say, 'There are things that my side cannot do,' it is actually a statement saying that I cannot justify these things. It's true that it's a lie and that we do do these things, but denial is trying to set a moral standard."

Israelis try to distance themselves from the atrocity through denial, instead of distancing themselves from the reality. We must tell the truth so that the atrocities stop. It is up to us.

Source : Haaretz

Link : https://archive.md/clVQ8#selection-1325.0-1325.188

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An AI-detected target walks into a residence, and a smart bomb hits it. John1956PA May 24 #1
"Where's Daddy" was developed by the Israeli military and has been in use in Gaza since the beginning of the war. AloeVera May 24 #2
Isn't it the same hospital on whose grounds three top Hamas commanders, including Mohammad Sinwar, the leader of Hamas Beastly Boy May 25 #3
You're wrong as always. AloeVera May 25 #6
Other than your presumptive assertions, there is nothing you can produce to challenge me. Beastly Boy May 25 #8
The claim appears to be that it was a targeted attack on Hamdi Al-Najjar via "Where's Daddy?". lapucelle May 26 #12
They ran out of claims that appear halfass legitimate. An outright illegitimate one will do just fine Beastly Boy May 26 #13
See post 14. AloeVera May 26 #15
What's interesting is that lapucelle May 26 #35
Israel started bombing on evening of Oct 7th. AloeVera May 26 #37
Like I said, I don't get my news from tiktok. N/T lapucelle May 26 #43
He is a doctor too. AloeVera May 26 #14
Healthcare workers like this guy? "Journalist, doctor held Israelis hostage in Gaza" lapucelle May 26 #36
So all healthcare workers and their children are guilty? AloeVera May 26 #38
A doctor holding hostages in a residential building is disgusting. lapucelle May 26 #41
This is a grotesque logical fallacy Picaro Jun 4 #77
Exactly. Two things can be true at the same time. NH Ethylene Jun 4 #78
"Taking a specific incident and generalizing it to condemn an entire population"... lapucelle Jun 4 #79
Please elucidate. Picaro Jun 4 #80
My background is in education. Students learn best when they figure things out for themselves. lapucelle Jun 4 #81
Snide aren't you--even when you're wrong Picaro Jun 4 #82
Your profile says that you're from Plano, Texas. lapucelle Jun 4 #83
You just crossed into trollland Picaro Jun 4 #84
You said you're from Missouri. You're the one who brought it up. lapucelle Jun 4 #85
Geneva does not authorize going hog-wild in an orgy of destruction on hospitals. AloeVera May 26 #19
Geneva does not authorize the use of hospitals for harboring top belligerent commanders. Beastly Boy May 26 #24
None of it excuses going hog-wild in an orgy of destruction... AloeVera May 26 #25
Yes, for some reason "going hog-wild in an orgy of destruction" is not in the Geneva conventions at all. Beastly Boy May 26 #26
If you truly believe Israel's destruction of health care and hospitals AloeVera May 26 #27
I believe nothing. The Geneva conventions are not a religious text to believe or disbelieve. Beastly Boy May 26 #28
Oh and... the house where the kids burned to death was 3 miles from the hospital grounds. AloeVera May 25 #7
So it wasn't an *attack* terrorists hiding in a hospital? The claim is that it was a targeted attack lapucelle May 26 #11
The Hamas bigwigs were hiding underground in the tunnel under the European Hospital. lapucelle May 26 #9
What does that have to do with the strike 3 miles away on a civilian house? AloeVera May 26 #16
That was terrorist stronghold in a different hospital. You pointed that out, remember? lapucelle May 26 #17
Huh? Lol AloeVera May 26 #20
Upthread when you got into a quibble about the hospital tunnels where Mohammed Sinwar and the murder videographer lapucelle May 26 #21
Post #3 ? That was not me... AloeVera May 26 #23
Read yor response. N/T lapucelle May 26 #29
Photo of her nine kids prepared for burial.... riversedge May 25 #4
Oh no... AloeVera May 25 #5
Yes. Hamas needs to release the remaining hostages and hostage bodies, surrender, and beg lapucelle May 26 #10
Never mind terrorist organizations use civilians as human shields. That doesn't enter the equation at all because AZLD4Candidate May 26 #18
Looks like the only side proven to use human shields is Israel. AloeVera May 26 #22
When Jewish lives are treated with such reverance, maybe I'll change my mind AZLD4Candidate May 26 #42
In all probability this is yet another lie. Richard D May 26 #30
This is the second time these children have been killed. Richard D May 26 #31
Appalling. There were nine real, alive children burned and mutilated to death. That is indisputable. AloeVera May 26 #33
Says . . . Richard D May 26 #34
You keep repeating 44,000 when that falsehood was called out already. AloeVera May 26 #39
UN lying about 44,000 children dying in 48 hours? Never happened! Beastly Boy May 26 #44
Oh and you are back on ignore. AloeVera May 26 #40
I'll do my best Richard D May 26 #45
Pictures lie and reveal Richard D May 27 #46
According to the article posted by the OP, it was a targeted strike on the father, a Hamas militant terrorist. lapucelle May 28 #49
Damn . . . Richard D May 28 #50
Either way the story stinks to high heaven. lapucelle May 28 #53
Which article was that in? Violet_Crumble Jun 3 #62
+972 Magazine. lapucelle Jun 3 #64
The 972mag article doesn't say that at all... Violet_Crumble Jun 3 #65
No, that's who the +972 magazine piece says are targeted. lapucelle Jun 3 #67
The 972mag article doesn't say anything about the father recently killed... Violet_Crumble Jun 3 #68
Actually, it's an inference based on evidence that the OP so helpfully provided. lapucelle Jun 3 #69
So, it's nothing but yr opinion. Okay. Violet_Crumble Jun 3 #70
Just trying to be pro-active.... Because of course the IDF would claim that "terrorists" were there! AloeVera Jun 3 #73
Gaza is full of terrorists. lapucelle Jun 3 #74
Then Israel is the King of Terror. AloeVera Jun 3 #75
Thanks.... AloeVera Jun 3 #72
It is not a lie that the children were killed. Even your source says that. AloeVera May 26 #32
That would be a treat NoRethugFriends May 27 #47
Because the story in the OP is raising so many red flags, it is likely a lie. Beastly Boy May 27 #48
$20 billion in 2024 in aid alone from U.S. to Israel. Duncanpup May 28 #51
We didn't give $20 billion dollars in aid to Israel in 2024. N/T lapucelle May 29 #55
Heartbreaking 💔 Goddessartist May 28 #52
Heartbreaking responses can be made to disappear . AloeVera May 28 #54
Sigh Israeli May 31 #56
Thanks... AloeVera May 31 #57
Regarding : Israeli Jun 1 #58
Very encouraging!! AloeVera Jun 1 #59
So much could be avoided if Israeli Jun 2 #60
Yep. Violet_Crumble Jun 3 #61
Wow, that's exactly what it is. AloeVera Jun 3 #63
That one gets trotted out quite regularly, accompanied by dit-dits around Palestinians... Violet_Crumble Jun 3 #66
"Why are those children there"? WTAF! AloeVera Jun 3 #71
More war crimes Picaro Jun 3 #76
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