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Related: About this forumIsraeli strike kills nine of Gaza doctor's children, hospital says
Mallory Moench
BBC News
Nasser hospital said one of Dr Alaa al-Najjar's children and her husband were injured, but survived. Graeme Groom, a British surgeon working in the hospital, said he had operated on her surviving 11-year-old boy.
A video shared by the director of the Hamas-run health ministry and verified by the BBC showed small burned bodies being lifted from the rubble of a strike in Khan Younis on Friday.
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Dr Muneer Alboursh, director of the health ministry, said on X that the al-Najjars' family house was hit minutes after Dr al-Najjar's husband Hamdi had returned home after driving his wife to work.
Dr Alboursh said the eldest of Dr al-Najjar's children was aged 12.
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c0eq9lq7xr1o
The AI program called "Where's Daddy?" was designed specifically to track targeted individuals and carry out bombings when they had entered their familys residences, often at night when their entire families were sleeping. Or at any time, apparently.
This is why there are so many women and children casualties. It's unconscionable.
https://www.972mag.com/lavender-ai-israeli-army-gaza/

John1956PA
(4,101 posts)That technology was in place regarding the missile strike which Hegseth blabbed about to his brother and to his lawyer, and which the Atlantic editor was privy to via the Signal Chat snafu.
AloeVera
(2,838 posts)Hegseth and the U.S. may have copied it or borrowed it?
It's used in conjunction with another AI called Lavender that generates targets based on some questionable criteria. It has resulted in some "errors".
As for smart bombs, this is what the 972 Magazine article says:
(Bolding mine)
"Unimportant people" and their unimportant neighbours and families....not worth the price of smart bombs.
Beastly Boy
(12,435 posts)were located and killed?
Surely you must know by now what happens to hospitals that are used to commit, outside their
humanitarian duties, acts harmful to the enemy, and why the presence of a protected person may not be used
to render certain points or areas immune from military operations, and which party to the conflict is responsible for the treatment accorded to protected people, no?
AloeVera
(2,838 posts)And the lack of concern for nine dead children, killed through a war crime of bombing a civilian home while knowing it was full of kids - is noted indeed.
Beastly Boy
(12,435 posts)And forgive me for not giving your presumptive assertions equal weight to the Geneva Conventions.
lapucelle
(20,225 posts)Why would the doctor's husband be targeted?
Beastly Boy
(12,435 posts)AloeVera
(2,838 posts)N/T
lapucelle
(20,225 posts)there's a coterie of folks who showed up on tiktok October 8 through October 14, 2023, and before Israeli had taken a single step against Hamas, the absurd talking points were on full display.
Two things are always consistently missing from the melodramatic tiktok videos: there has never been any anger towards Hamas for destroying Gaza, using civilians as human shields, and stealing food from children over the past two decades and none of the melodramatic hand-wringers has ever come forward to any offer to help to the anti-Hamas protestors and resistance fighters in Gaza who continue to risk their lives every day to try to rid their fellow Palestinians of the scourge of Hamas. There is never even a mention of them. Their cause has been lost to a different agenda.
Not everyone is an easily gaslit by the continual gong of the same repetitive sanctimony that influencers disseminate day in and day out. Odd that there is never content either against Hamas or for the people of Gaza. But because influencers are anything but subtle, it is obvious exactly who it is exactly for and who it is against.
Influencers need to spare the rest of the world their sanctimony and wake up to the fact that they are being used bad actors with one goal.
Of course, I could be proven wrong if any of those who shill content ever get off their asses and do something, anything to help and support the anti-Hamas Palestinians in Gaza who they have been ignoring for the better part of 18 months.
I won't hold my breath.
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I find it enlightening to read profiles and first posts.
AloeVera
(2,838 posts)Over 10,000 bombs dropped in the first week on that crowded, little strip of land. Just a little inaccuracy I wanted to clear up. Cuz there really WAS something to protest in the first week. Not that Israel's supporters saw anything wrong, cherrwd it on.
As for the rest...there you go AGAIN.
Ever mindful of the TOS, right?
But what does any of that have to do with the murdered children?
lapucelle
(20,225 posts)
AloeVera
(2,838 posts)You didn't know that?
Did you also not know that healthcare workers are also targets? Odd. It's been widely covered. Perhaps not in pro-Israrl media. Might be time to broaden your horizons.
More than a thousand of them have been killed. Often along with their entire families. As seems to be the case here.
Hundreds more imprisoned, tortured. Over 300 still in Israeli torture-jails.
All victims and hostages to Israel's systematic destruction of the health-care system.
It's astonishing and saddening that, in a thread about nine dead children and Israel's war crime of deliberately killing targets' families through the use of a sadistically-named and designed AI program - there are still people who think this is all ok "because Hamas".
This refusal to see and to defend atrocities is very disturbing. I wager to most people by now.
lapucelle
(20,225 posts)https://jewishchronicle.timesofisrael.com/journalist-doctor-held-israelis-hostage-in-gaza/
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In the aftermath of last months rescue, neighbors in Nuseirat, a refugee camp in central Gaza, told CNN they were shocked to learn that Ahmed Aljamal, a physician, and his family had kept hostages in their midst.
Had we known, had he told us, we would have taken safety precautions, hide or move to somewhere else, one neighbor, Abu Muhammad El Tahrawi, said.
Dr. Aljamal, 74, was a general practitioner and also led the call to prayer at the local mosque, waking early every day to get there before dawn.
https://www.cnn.com/2024/07/19/middleeast/gaza-neighborhood-israeli-hostages-intl-cmd
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To the outside world, they were a physician, a journalist. No one suspected their apartment had become a prison.
https://www.wsj.com/world/middle-east/the-hostages-next-door-inside-a-notable-gaza-familys-dark-secret-2896f6aa

AloeVera
(2,838 posts)Collective punishment of course is Israel's thing. You just confirmed you see nothing wrong with it.
You can't seem to grasp the very basic laws of war or humanity. It's an issue I see with most Israel supporters.
lapucelle
(20,225 posts)He relied on his neighbors to serve as human shields and exposed his grandchildren to all the dangers concommitant to the terrorist lifestyle.
AloeVera
(2,838 posts)Or targeting healthcare workers.
Care must still be taken with both the hospital and the patients.
This is an illustration of the IDF definition of "care".
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You will be hard-pressed to find Geneva authorizing actions that result in mass graves of patients and civilians in hospital court yards, babies left behind to die in pediatric wards by a "forgetful" military or a disabled man in a wheelchair attacked by military dogs just for kicks.
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c511k1nqx81o
Beastly Boy
(12,435 posts)And Geneva does not except hospitals that are in violation of Geneva conventions from being targeted.
And Geneva places responsibility for the treatment of any protected people on the party "in whose hands" they happen to be.
You are ignoring all of the above. For once, acknowledge Hamas' guilt in the horrors you so consistently ascribe to Israel.
AloeVera
(2,838 posts)In addition to using it as a pretext for the systematic destruction of an entire health-care system with the goal of advancing an ethnic cleansing agenda.
You won't find that in Geneva either.
For once, will you admit to the much bigger picture?
Beastly Boy
(12,435 posts)Last edited Mon May 26, 2025, 03:51 PM - Edit history (1)
Either as a war crime, or as a crime against humanity. But it does allow harboring top belligerent commanders to be used as pretext for targeting a hospital.
I DID find it in Geneva. But obviously you won't, and it is not because it is not there to be found. It is because you are preoccupied with finding things that are not there, like "going hog-wild in an orgy of destruction".
And I just challenged you to look at the big picture. You don't appear to be interested, so don't demand of me what you have never considered to do yourself.
I think I told you this Confucius story before:
A prince hired Confucius to be his advisor. The first question he asked Confucius was "How can I find honest people to advise me?"
Confucius responded without hesitation: "Be honest yourself".
The tale doesn't say whether Confucius kept his new job.
AloeVera
(2,838 posts)... is allowed or can be rationalized by any clause in Geneva... best of luck to you. You've missed the entire point of the Geneva Conventions.
Beastly Boy
(12,435 posts)They set equal rules for everybody, to be applied universally and not arbitrarily. You either accept them all or reject them all, as written. You don't get to pick.
What you believe is irrelevant.
AloeVera
(2,838 posts)The poor woman walked/ran 3 miles home from the hospital after hearing her house was hit, as she had no transport.
So no, it wasn't the hospital grounds as you surely already knew.
If you can't put yourself in her shoes and imagine the horror, maybe it's time to sit down and try not saying anything at all.
lapucelle
(20,225 posts)on Hamdi Al-Najjar?
Interesting.
lapucelle
(20,225 posts)This most recent strike was on the command center hidden underground in the vicinity of Nasser Hospital.
It was reported that Palestinian *journalist* Hassan Aslih (who live streamed his October 7 murder spree) was killed in the strike.
AloeVera
(2,838 posts)Last edited Mon May 26, 2025, 02:39 PM - Edit history (1)
The house where the nine siblings were killed so heartlessly?
Shameless obfuscation and distraction from a horrific crime.
lapucelle
(20,225 posts)
AloeVera
(2,838 posts)Umm... really?
Have no clue what you are talking about! If you do, please elucidate.
lapucelle
(20,225 posts)were hit versus what you claimed was a targeted AI strike on Hamdi Al-Najjar.
Folks need to keep track of what they write.
AloeVera
(2,838 posts)Please point to the post. My post.
lapucelle
(20,225 posts)
riversedge
(75,718 posts)Such pain and loss... inflicted knowingly and not caring.. it is pure evil.
The magnitude of this woman's loss is what has made people sit up and take notice. Yet this has been happening thousands of times to other mothers. Children too, now orphaned and lost. None of it should have happened. And it still goes on..
lapucelle
(20,225 posts)whatever hellhole autocracy that will have them to spirit them to safety. Wasn't the coward Sinwar trying to negotiate for personal safe passage when he was eliminated?
Meanwhile, the people of Gaza continue to risk their lives to tell the world exactly what Hamas has done and is doing to them, and so many are too busy waging a public relations war to listen.
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AZLD4Candidate
(6,616 posts)Israel is evil and the country needs to do the honorable thing and dissolve immediately so the Hamas freedom fighters can win the war they started.
AloeVera
(2,838 posts)But aside from that - these children were just family.
There is no indication that the parents were anything but doctors. Even Israel has not made that claim. Of course it's not going to admit it is targeting doctors at home with their children...
But let's pretend they were Hamas terrorists.That raises another ethical question, at least for me. Suppose Hamas had the capability to bomb an IDF commander or soldier and chose to do so at the precise moment they just got home, ensuring their families were killed too. Would you see a "problem" then? Would you then label the family as "human shields" or dismiss them as "collateral damage"?
Your statement doesn't advance the discussion. We are talking about a horrific crime leading to unbearable grief and the loss of nine young lives.
AZLD4Candidate
(6,616 posts)But when my people die, most just yawn.
Same story for 1500 years.
Richard D
(9,822 posts)That so many people want to believe,
https://honestreporting.com/misleading-photos-raise-questions-about-gazan-doctor-who-lost-nine-children-in-israeli-strike/
Richard D
(9,822 posts)AloeVera
(2,838 posts)You want to change the subject from that.
You can't and I find it appalling.
Richard D
(9,822 posts). . . Hamas. I don't trust them to say anything that is true. Like the 44,000 children who would starve in 48 hours. A total fabrication.
That is appalling. Believing lies, more than that, wanting to believe the lies, is appalling. Did they really die? The story is suspicious as hell. So are the obviously fake photos.
AloeVera
(2,838 posts)Why would you do that? No answer needed. You could ask yourself that.
These children have names. They had life and families. You are dishonouring their lives and memories, and the grief of their families. For the sake of your narrative. Truly, truly appalling.
Beastly Boy
(12,435 posts)UN lying about 14,000 children dying in 48 hours? No comment...
AloeVera
(2,838 posts)Richard D
(9,822 posts)To not weep.
Richard D
(9,822 posts)
From Facebook
So listen, the media reported a few days ago that Israel killed 9 kids, all children of a Dr. in Gaza.
From the first second, I knew this sounded off. (You dont have to be a rocket scientist. Look at this ridiculous, obviously fake picture!)
My inbox is full of people asking me if its true. I waited to see the information from a reliable source.
And here it is. Basically, fake news. I know, shocker!
Preliminary findings of Khan Yunis strike:
The IDF says the strike targeted four terrorists and was conducted according to protocol.
There is no verified evidence that 9 children were killed, and the photos circulated appear to be fake.
The area had been fully evacuated of civilians, and the IDF says the strike would not have taken place if civilians were known to be present.
This is has been the shared photo of the Gaza Dr. And her children.
Youd think by now, theyd be a lot better at AI generated images. Nine kids, all the same age. Not one is burned.
Yea, ok. These people are so sick. What wont they do to vilify Israel? The answer? Nothing. Theyve proven that. Just disgusting.
lapucelle
(20,225 posts)What kind of father uses his own children as human shields?
Richard D
(9,822 posts). . . well, if it is true that the children were real and killed and not a propaganda ploy, not a father in any sense of the word other than as a genetic donor who doesn't give a damn about his progeny. I'm still in doubt that it really happened, though. I've seen multiple videos of parents in Gaza singing the praises of making their children into jihadis and martyrs, and that they would love nothing more than their children to sacrifice their lives (are sacrificed) for the cause.
lapucelle
(20,225 posts)I am with you, however. I don't think the story is real, but even if it were, it's the story of a father using his own children as human shields.
AloeVera
(2,838 posts)So why do you respond to an o/p describing the killing of children with an assertion that it is likely a lie?
That is... I won't say what I think.
I am not engaging further.
NoRethugFriends
(3,344 posts)Beastly Boy
(12,435 posts)Regardless of children being killed, or how many children may have been killed, or under what circumstances they may have been killed, or where they may have been killed, or when they may have been killed.
Now tell me how disgusted you are with me for objecting to the lies that exploit the dead children in Gaza.
Duncanpup
(14,530 posts)We subsidize Israels war crimes.
lapucelle
(20,225 posts)
Goddessartist
(2,085 posts)As are some responses to this horror.
Free Palestine!
AloeVera
(2,838 posts)Enough heartbreak as it is without enduring it here too.
Hijacking a thread to distract from a very horrific war-crime...even some absurd innuendos, smears and put-downs that get personal...not the first time...I guess when neither facts nor laws and morality are on your side, and all you have are the same old (wrong)talking points and misrepresentations of what was or wasn't said - and when that doesn't work...
It's not just heartbreaking but toxic.
So I've freed myself. Free at last, what I wish for Palestinians!!
Mahalo my friend.