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In reply to the discussion: Sanders refuses to rescind endorsement of candidate sporting Nazi tattoo [View all]LetMyPeopleVote
(171,873 posts)220. MaddowBlog-Maine's Graham Platner faces difficult questions about his record -- and a tattoo
Once a Senate candidate reaches the point at which he has to deny being a secret Nazi, his campaign isnt quite where it should be.
Link to tweet
https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/maddowblog/maines-graham-platner-faces-difficult-questions-record-tattoo-rcna239152
Things changed, however, when Platners honeymoon period came to a rather sudden end.
The first sign of trouble came to the fore last week, when Politico reported that Platner once suggested in online posts that violence is a necessary means to achieving social change. Around the same time, CNN reported on since-deleted comments Platner had made online in which he once called himself a communist, dismissed all police as bastards, and said rural White Americans actually are racist and stupid.
The candidate disavowed his earlier rhetoric, but other revelations soon followed. Indeed, also last week, The Bangor Daily News reported that Platner also posted messages online in which he asked why Black people dont tip and suggested people concerned about being raped shouldnt be inebriated around people they dont feel comfortable with.
After that report reached the public, Platners political director resigned.
That was late last week. This week, we learned about the Senate hopefuls choice in tattoos. Politico reported:
In other words, Platners defense is that he didnt know he had a tattoo on his chest that resembles a Nazi symbol. Whats more, on Wednesday morning, he and his team said the image has now been covered......
Whether or not thats true, once a Senate candidate reaches the point at which he has to deny being a secret Nazi, his campaign isnt quite where it should be.
Democratic officials had already started rallying behind Mills, who has said shell only serve one term if elected. In light of the revelations about Platners record, its likely that party support will intensify. Watch this space.
The first sign of trouble came to the fore last week, when Politico reported that Platner once suggested in online posts that violence is a necessary means to achieving social change. Around the same time, CNN reported on since-deleted comments Platner had made online in which he once called himself a communist, dismissed all police as bastards, and said rural White Americans actually are racist and stupid.
The candidate disavowed his earlier rhetoric, but other revelations soon followed. Indeed, also last week, The Bangor Daily News reported that Platner also posted messages online in which he asked why Black people dont tip and suggested people concerned about being raped shouldnt be inebriated around people they dont feel comfortable with.
After that report reached the public, Platners political director resigned.
That was late last week. This week, we learned about the Senate hopefuls choice in tattoos. Politico reported:
Democratic Maine Senate hopeful Graham Platner expressed regret over getting a tattoo that appears similar to a Nazi symbol nearly two decades ago and plans to have it removed, his latest mea culpa after a week of damning headlines over resurfaced social media posts. ... Platner reiterated that he got the tattoo while out drinking with fellow Marines in Croatia, choosing the skull and crossbones off a wall at the tattoo parlor. He said the similarity to Nazi iconography never came up, including when he underwent physical exams mandated by the U.S. Army, which prohibits tattoos of identified hate symbols.
In other words, Platners defense is that he didnt know he had a tattoo on his chest that resembles a Nazi symbol. Whats more, on Wednesday morning, he and his team said the image has now been covered......
Whether or not thats true, once a Senate candidate reaches the point at which he has to deny being a secret Nazi, his campaign isnt quite where it should be.
Democratic officials had already started rallying behind Mills, who has said shell only serve one term if elected. In light of the revelations about Platners record, its likely that party support will intensify. Watch this space.
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Sanders refuses to rescind endorsement of candidate sporting Nazi tattoo [View all]
tritsofme
Tuesday
OP
Did you watch his interview? He's a Democratic candidate and I will go with what he says.
Autumn
Wednesday
#118
A skull and crossbones is not inherently a 'nazi' symbol--- I associate it with pirate radio, myself,
Jack Valentino
Tuesday
#38
Yeah.... it was widely used in pirate ship flags in the 1600's and 1700's by pirates,
Jack Valentino
Tuesday
#62
Tattoo resembles an SS deaths head, I respect Sen Sanders and his hard work as a progressive but it will be up to voters
yaesu
Tuesday
#3
Is there a better picture of it? In the interview and the video the opposition
Autumn
Wednesday
#120
Until I read this thread, the double-headed-eagle art concept was not part of my knowledge.
John1956PA
Tuesday
#41
Maybe rather than inking completely over it, add a slash in a different color
karynnj
Wednesday
#181
Yes. I had the same idea of the ink-over with a red-line slash. We think alike.
John1956PA
Wednesday
#187
"In the video the opposition that they sent him they are using you can only see a dark blob."
WhiskeyGrinder
Wednesday
#150
Tiny difference, your tattoo probably isn't celebrating Nazis. Unlike Bernie's guy
tritsofme
Tuesday
#18
It's kind of silly, at this point, to talk about him like he's still a serious candidate.
tritsofme
Tuesday
#27
Sounds more like an opportunity to "re-fight the 2016 presidential primary"
Jack Valentino
Tuesday
#44
The guy isn't even pretending it's not a Nazi tattoo at this point, no reason to continue that charade.
tritsofme
Tuesday
#49
I was not a 'Bernie Bro'--- and stood in line to vote for Hillary in the 2016 G.E.
Jack Valentino
Tuesday
#75
Bernie has made some questionable calls when it comes to candidates and surrogates
Keepthesoulalive
Wednesday
#101
People get tattoos covered all the time. Many, many tattooists are willing to cover/repurpose hate tattoos at a reduced
WhiskeyGrinder
Tuesday
#47
I don't accept your position that it is necessarily a "hate" tattoo, just for starters!
Jack Valentino
Tuesday
#50
The candidate evidently knew that it was a NAZI tattoo for a long time and called this NAZI tattoo by it correct name
LetMyPeopleVote
Wednesday
#219
Bernie Sanders IS a JEW.... I am not, so I'll go with HIS judgement on the matter!
Jack Valentino
Tuesday
#48
That's my problem with it, yeah maybe u got it while dead drunk but why wouldn't you cover it with another tattoo?
EX500rider
Tuesday
#26
Nope, this is bad news for Collins. With Nazi tattoo guy no longer a factor in the primary, Mills can turn toward the GE
tritsofme
Tuesday
#32
It's NOT a FUCKING SWASTIKA, for Christ Sake!!!! That's the only 'Nazi tattoo' I know about!
Jack Valentino
Tuesday
#55
Probably I was just ranting at the direction of this thread, reminding me of previous threads
Jack Valentino
Tuesday
#89
A lot of this reminds me of the arguments about Fetterman over Connor Lamb, because Connor Lamb
lostincalifornia
Wednesday
#96
So, Senator Sanders wants to ignore the color on Platner's skin & judge him by his character?
Tim S
Wednesday
#103
If PoC sported I want to murder white people symbols doubt if Sanders would endorse them
uponit7771
Wednesday
#142
So a Grand Wizard KKK tattoo would be no big deal then? Cause this is worse then that IMO
EX500rider
Wednesday
#236
While I trust Bernie, all the same, if I were Platner, I would do one of two things:
no_hypocrisy
Wednesday
#106
"Don't have a Nazi death-head symbol on your body" seems like a low bar for a Democrat n/t
Shrek
Wednesday
#117
Nazi tattoo: fine. Dem campaign funds: Corrupt! Billionaire oligarchs! No taking on, no fighting for working class! Bad!
betsuni
Wednesday
#116
I'd be open to hear Sanders explain more about why he thinks this guy has changed
Mysterian
Wednesday
#122
Well, yes... that's what I thought. Yet it seems like some have already "anointed" him as the party's nominee...
QueerDuck
Wednesday
#171
Constructive criticism is okay. This could be construed as bashing. and comparing one
Emile
Wednesday
#179
He's in a primary. He's not the anointed nominee. He must EARN that privilege and honor.
QueerDuck
Wednesday
#193
Nobody has done that... not that I can find in this thread. Every time the word "Nazi" is used...
QueerDuck
Wednesday
#203
JFC, Emile! Give me a fucking break! You know perfectly well that I never said such a thing.
QueerDuck
Wednesday
#207
Yes. He has to earn the votes. Feet held to the fire. People will vote their conscience. No cheerleaders.
betsuni
Thursday
#250
So, questioning him having a Nazi tattoo is fair game, but if he was to win the primary, we must defend him having it?
MichMan
Wednesday
#228
There are other candidates in the Democratic primary, including one that is, in my opinion, MUCH preferable to this guy.
W_HAMILTON
Wednesday
#176
He doesn't have a general election opponent -- he has a Democratic primary opponent. Several, actually.
W_HAMILTON
Wednesday
#188
To be fair, Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei is kinda of a mouthful.
EX500rider
Thursday
#265
A week or so ago Senator Sanders said that Governor Mills should exit the race
Quiet Em
Wednesday
#136
Republicans being ok with Nazis isn't new and it's not a problem for Democrats.
Maru Kitteh
Wednesday
#151
The symbols on his body aren't his words and beliefs?!?; Some privileged right there man
uponit7771
Thursday
#246
Was one of them Fetterman, another Sanders-backed """progressive""" at one point?
W_HAMILTON
Wednesday
#177
Maybe so, but I wasn't fooled by a lot of other questionable characters Sanders has surrounded himself with...
W_HAMILTON
Wednesday
#186
Kinda not great to see a lot of people handwaving away a nazi tattoo on a Democrat!
WhiskeyGrinder
Wednesday
#154
The insignia - death skull - was worn exclusively by SS guards at death camps
LetMyPeopleVote
Wednesday
#155
Abhorrent and shocking! Seriously disappointed with Sanders. I feel like maybe reaching cognitive disorders?
msfiddlestix
Wednesday
#165
I'm going to give Plantner a pass on this until I hear more from him and another pass to Sanders for the......
FadedMullet
Wednesday
#178
If you are comfortable with the information that you have, to be able to call him a Nazi, then you must have......
FadedMullet
Wednesday
#241
If he is not smart enough to know that he has a nazi concentration camp symbol
Bluestocking
Wednesday
#210
MaddowBlog-Maine's Graham Platner faces difficult questions about his record -- and a tattoo
LetMyPeopleVote
Wednesday
#220
Seems like a lot of pearl clutching over some superficial nonsense from his military past.
thought crime
Wednesday
#238
It is obviously a political problem. But I accept his explanation and apologies.
thought crime
Thursday
#243
According to Sanders, it is the "corrupt campaign finance system" that deserves the blame
MichMan
Wednesday
#239
I agree with this. It's a bad look. He needs to walk away from a horribly vetted Platner.
Celerity
Thursday
#253
First rule: All dysfunction in government caused by money in politics, both sides controlled by billionaire oligarchs.
betsuni
Thursday
#257
sadly the nazi's had good icons. this one is on the bottom + does not scream nazi.
pansypoo53219
Thursday
#249
The image in the tattoo is the same as the one on Nazi headgear for some branches
LetMyPeopleVote
Friday
#268