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In reply to the discussion: Netanyahu Says Israel Will Not Back Down Until Gaza Is Emptied of Palestinians [View all]AloeVera
(2,903 posts)125. The 2017 charter replaced the original one. It was a significant moderation.
If Israel really wanted peace and a two-state solution, it would have welcomed Hamas' moderation as at least an opening to negotiations. The fact that it ignored it instead points to the hardening of hearts and minds within Israel to the TSS, which really only had a chance prior to the rise of Likud. I'll point out again that the Likud Charter was the first to claim "from the river to the sea" in so many words - it said within that geographical area there will only be Israeli sovereignty.
I still prefer Wiki or my own research to AI. Here are some tidbits on the 2017 charter that I find interesting.
Rejection of antisemitism
In contrast to the 1988 Hamas charter, the 2017 covenant separates the struggle against Zionism from general antisemitism, stating Hamas fights Zionists, not for their Jewishness but because of their "illegal" project:
Hamas affirms that its conflict is with the Zionist project not with the Jews because of their religion. Hamas does not wage a struggle against the Jews because they are Jewish but wages a struggle against the Zionists who occupy Palestine. Yet, it is the Zionists who constantly identify Judaism and the Jews with their own colonial project and illegal entity.
Hamas rejects the persecution of any human being or the undermining of his or her rights on nationalist, religious or sectarian grounds. Hamas is of the view that the Jewish problem, antisemitism and the persecution of the Jews are phenomena fundamentally linked to European history and not to the history of the Arabs and the Muslims or to their heritage.[8]
Interviewed about this seeming change in Hamas's ideology, where in the old 1988 Hamas charter the enemy sometimes was labeled as "the Jews" but in the new 2017 charter the enemy is identified only as "Zionists", Khaled Mashal, in his last few days as highest leader of Hamas, declared in early May 2017: in the old charter indeed "the expression ["Jews"] was used", which he now criticized as "not ( ) accurate" enough, emphasizing that Hamas' struggle "from the very start" was against "the Israeli occupier not because they are Jews, ( ) not because of their religion, but because ( ) they have occupied our land, and attacked our people, and forced them out of their homes."[37]
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Under the heading "The position toward Occupation and Political Solutions" (paragraphs 18 to 23), the document describes the two-state solution, i.e. the creation of an independent Palestinian state in accordance with the 1967 borders with Jerusalem as its capital, as a "formula of national consensus", but without giving up the claim to the whole of Palestine, "from the river to the sea", and "without compromising its rejection of the Zionist entity."[8] Rickard Lagervall (Jönköping University) viewed this as an "ambiguous formulation".[27] Tareq Baconi (Columbia University, European Council on Foreign Relations) gives two reasons why Hamas didn't explicitly recognize Israel:[35]
- The PLO unilaterally offered Israel recognition without extracting an Israeli commitment to recognize the State of Palestine, thus it weakened its own negotiating position, which Hamas wanted to avoid.[35]
- Secondly, Hamas, and Palestinian society at large, could be willing to recognize the fact Israel now exists, but they cannot legitimize Zionism or legitimize what happened to the Palestinians during Israel's creation.[35]
It really is a much, much more complicated and complex issue than "they want to kill all Jews" and "eradicate Israel". But getting all the nuances and complexities involves first trying to understand and dare I say it - empathize - with the Palestinians' perspective. Not everyone can do it, but some eventually will get there.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_Hamas_charter
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Netanyahu Says Israel Will Not Back Down Until Gaza Is Emptied of Palestinians [View all]
Autumn
May 24
OP
Don't believe your lying ears. First we had to question our own eyes, now we can't trust our ears.
Pisces
May 24
#5
Israel wasn't founded on ethnic cleansing. 21% of Israel's citizens are Palestinian citizens of Israel.
lapucelle
May 25
#77
Yes, even the babies, toddlers, elderly people, and all women must be murdered because they're Hamas.
Lonestarblue
May 25
#102
And those who encouraged their constituents to NOT support Biden or Harris. Where is she now?
Oopsie Daisy
May 25
#87
The problem is neither Hamas nor the various rightwing parties in Israel want that
EdmondDantes_
May 24
#61
The only thing Israel is accomplishing right now, is killing more human beings.
everyonematters
May 24
#17
Ok, explain in as much detail as you can. What are they accomplishing right now in Gaza?
everyonematters
May 24
#23
The people in Gaza have no control over Hamas. The leaders of Hamas are not in Gaza.
everyonematters
May 25
#96
They can start by not abusing the Palestinians with things like the settlements and pushing people out of their homes.
everyonematters
May 25
#98
Nobody can call it anything other than Ethnic Cleansing. Israeli apologists on this forum, notwithstanding. And, no, two
artemisia1
May 24
#12
There is a no state solution now for Gaza, and those that helped enabled a Trump victory ensured that.
W_HAMILTON
May 24
#31
Israeli settlers attacked a village near Bethlehem just hours ago, killing livestock belonging to Palestinians
red dog 1
May 24
#40
This is a decision that was made about 10 minutes after the terror attack (if not before), by the way
Takket
May 24
#42
This comes as no surprise. For reference, and if anyone is interested in doing really deep diving
Nanjeanne
May 24
#44
Propublica names Simone Zimmermann as their executive director, but she's nowhere to be found
lapucelle
May 25
#110
If by "sums it up nicely" you mean more agenda-driven than fact-based, then yes.
lapucelle
May 25
#109
That's nice. Did you read many of the articles? Did you read about the orgs that have given them awards?
Nanjeanne
May 25
#84
Less time than Max Berger, co-founder of IfNotNow who served as aide to Warren's presidential campaign
Nanjeanne
May 25
#115
Oh she was vetted. Pressure came from outside since the FB post really was long ago and what many of us
Nanjeanne
May 26
#130
Ambitious politicians bow to pressure all the time. It's the expedient thing to do. N/T
lapucelle
May 26
#134
" in the most crowded spot on earth" Not really, that would be Macau followed by Monaco
EX500rider
May 26
#142
That's your conclusion. I was pointing out the goals are similar, if not the same.
no_hypocrisy
May 25
#75
There is no flag large enough to cover the shame of killing innocent people. Howard Zinn
Ping Tung
May 24
#59
Don't know about you, but this sounds like genocide to me. Ethnic cleansing at a minimum.
Jit423
May 24
#62
He said the depopulation plan must be implemented. He's a racist and ethnic cleansing is officially a war aim.
David__77
May 25
#73
In this press confrence he said "Trump's "revolutionary" plan to relocate Gaza's civilians
Autumn
May 25
#95
Show me where he didn't say it. As of May 22 he said Trump is still commited to it.
Autumn
May 25
#104
"Show me where he didn't say it" How do you show someone not saying something exactly?
EX500rider
May 26
#143
"Emptying" provinces of a specific ethnic group. Hmm. Wasn't that a thing in Europe in the 1930"s?
lees1975
May 25
#121
Is Netanyahu trying to burn up all of the world's sentiment for the state of Israel?
SalamanderSleeps
May 29
#152