Netanyahu Says Israel Will Not Back Down Until Gaza Is Emptied of Palestinians

[Autumn]

The Israeli leader endorsed Trump’s plan for the forced displacement of all Palestinians from Gaza.

https://truthout.org/articles/netanyahu-says-israel-will-not-back-down-until-gaza-is-emptied-of-palestinians/?

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has vowed that Israel will not end its genocide in Gaza until it achieves its goal of the total forced displacement of Palestinians from Gaza, as outlined by U.S. President Donald Trump in his “Riviera” plan that experts say would violate international law.

In a press conference on Wednesday, Netanyahu said that the goal of the current offensive is for Israel to control “all” of Gaza, and for the region to be demilitarized. He said that the only way Israel will end its assault is if Palestinians in Gaza are totally disarmed and Trump’s plan is realized — meaning that Gaza will be emptied of Palestinians, either by death or expulsion.

Netanyahu’s comments were made in the context of stalled ceasefire talks between Israel and Hamas, with the Israeli leader seemingly setting the implementation of the plan as a condition for negotiations. In other words, Netanyahu has said that Israel will not agree to stop its slaughter until it can declare total victory.

[Iggo]

1. Somebody parse that shit.

[brush]

4. Ethnic cleansing. Not a suprise by now.

[Grins]

21. Or genocide. I remember when Jews really hated that.

When it was done to them. The PM of Israel is being honest about his intention to do it to others.

[speak easy]

28. Mass murder and / ethic clensing

are not genocide any more than the WWII atomic bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki or the expulsion of Germans from Silesia was genocide.

Israel's actions in Gaza are crimes against humanity and war crimes.

[Violet_Crumble]

50. Both terms are very similar...

Sometimes genocide will involve ethnic cleansing and both terms are used interchangeably, though genocide of course carries the biggest emotional hit.

Trump and Netanyahu's plan to expel Palestinians is definitely ethnic cleansing, though I think what's been happening in Gaza and the words of Israeli government ministers is verging on genocidal.

[Hornedfrog2000]

126. Killing a lot of people?

Semantics on this is a non-winning argument.

[speak easy]

127. "Semantics on this is a non-winning argument."

What do you mean?

[brush]

43. It's both. Netanyahu is a warmonger openly doing both that was once done to Jews.

Israel deserves better.

[Jack Valentino]

122. quite possibly the majority of them STILL DO really hate it---

unfortunately they are not now the majority of the Israeli government

[yardwork]

137. Why are you conflating all Jews with Israel?

This is a prime example of antisemitism.

Many Jews disagree with Israel's actions in Gaza. Google it yourself. Many Jewish historians and leaders are strongly opposed to Israel's actions.

Yet here you conflate one nation with all Jews. This is antisemitism.

[Grins]

144. I didn't say that!

I said Jews were once against genocide. 80 years later and they have power, Israel’s Likud has no problem with it.

And Palestinians are Semitic people. So who’s being antisemitic?

In the link: “…Gaza will be EMPTIED of Palestinians, either by DEATH or expulsion.”

There is no place for them to go, so…

[yardwork]

146. You just repeated it!

A snarky comment about "Jews against genocide."

[Initech]

68. He needs to be shown what the United States used to do to genocidal terrorists.

[Ping Tung]

2. Violence is the last refuge of the incompetent. Isaac Asimov

[JCMach1]

3. Crime against humanity

No question about it .

[JCMach1]

25. I am NOT saying that lightly. I am on the record here at DU

for giving Israel quite a lot of room to deal with the terrorism issue.

However, once you have checked all the boxes for ethnic cleansing and genocide we have a very different story: a story brought to you by Israel's anti-democracy right-wing.

The key difference needs to be noted in that the US government now actually IS complicit in what is going on with the President of the US actively suggesting ethnic cleansing as the solution in an insane video he posted on social media.

[fujiyamasan]

71. Israeli policy is very clear at this point

And unfortunately this is the direction Israeli politics has been taking for a while, as the most extreme figures in Israel started filling Netanyahu’s cabinet. There was some hope following netanyahu’s judicial overhaul, but of course that ended too with the terrorist attacks.

Any actual viable two state solution is dead for the foreseeable future (October 7th guaranteed that). Now it’s just mass death in Gaza, political corruption and a slower death in the West Bank. Abbas is now 90. His death will create a vacuum and who knows where that leads.

[Pisces]

5. Don't believe your lying ears. First we had to question our own eyes, now we can't trust our ears.

[sinkingfeeling]

6. Every decent country in the world should shun Israel.

[D_Master81]

7. But I thought

I could’ve sworn it was about defeating Hamas. Apparently now everyone in Gaza is a part of Hamas

[AloeVera]

56. Not everyone saw the hidden agenda...or pretended not to.

... though it was "hidden" in plain sight. For example, hiding behind the "human shields!"TM or the bombed-out hospitals and their non-existent "command-and-control" centres. Or behind every Palestinian child killed.

It is about Hamas, though, just not in the way we were told. Hamas simply gave Israel the opportunity and means to do what it was fordained to do. It was founded on ethnic cleansing, after all. But the job wasn't finished.

It's why the Palestinian rights movement and people have been screaming about Israel's end-game. They knew.

[lapucelle]

77. Israel wasn't founded on ethnic cleansing. 21% of Israel's citizens are Palestinian citizens of Israel.

Arab Israelis sit in the Knesset and an Arab Israeli sits on the Israeli Supreme Court.

Folks need to understand that it never helps to spread misinformation. Some also need to invest in a good dictionary

There is no such word as "fordained".

[AloeVera]

82. Someone should read a book.

When 85% of a population, or 700,00 people, are expelled or forced to flee through violence, massacres, rapes and burning of their villages so that another people can take over their land + NEVER ALLOWED TO RETURN = what?

No amount of talking points is going to help here...

I can lend you the book and even throw in my 60-year old dictionary.

Your response is foreordained (fordained in Aloe vernacular) and likely not responded to.

[Lonestarblue]

102. Yes, even the babies, toddlers, elderly people, and all women must be murdered because they're Hamas.

At least according to Israel. I am saddened that the citizens of Israel do a bit of protesting occasionally but in essence support whatever Netanyahu and his extremist government do to Palestinians. Perhaps the sane ones feel helpless, just as we do with Trump, but there seem to be very few sane ones left.

[Goddessartist]

103. A good Israeli moved to Mexico

As it was too dangerous for him to stay in Israel.

Alon Mizrahi is on Substack and Twitter. He's brutally honest about that State.

[Maru Kitteh]

8. Those who decided not to vote,

THIS is what they voted for.

Nice work, fuckers.

[AloeVera]

58. You won't like this, or many here.

But the ethnic cleansing was foretold and fordained - in fact made inevitable - by allowing the total destruction of Gaza. Unlivable means people can no longer live there. Perhaps many of those people didn't vote because they saw all this and just became apathetic or disillusioned. All those dead babies killed with their tax dollars probably had the same effect.

[electric_blue68]

148. So having Drumphf Elected was going to be a BETTER Result?! HELL NO....

NO *Excuse!!! for those not voting!!! Thanks, an effin' lot!

*(except some type of serious accident, or medical, family emergency)

Especially knowing the crap he pulled on his first term!

In fact I made sure I voted early just in case something might have happened to me on the last day I could vote - since I go in person.
.

[Oopsie Daisy]

87. And those who encouraged their constituents to NOT support Biden or Harris. Where is she now?

What does she have to say about this? Any regrets?

[Richard D]

9. This is right up there . . .

. . . with Israel starving 44,000 children in two days.

[surfered]

10. That Two State Solution? Problem solved.

[Richard D]

11. Absolutely!

The more Hamas is rewarded for over 20,000 rockets and mortars at Israel and more than one hundred suicide bombings, the better! Did I forget something? Oh yeah, Oct 7 murders, baby burnings, rapes, dismemberment, torture, and kidnapping.

Plus, they don't want a two-state solution; they want a one-state solution. Theirs.

[surfered]

13. Personally, I was hoping the two sides could reach a two state solution.

[Richard D]

16. It was possible . . .

. . . On Oct 6, 2023. Now, I don't think the possibility exists.

edit: Well, perhaps if all the hostages are returned in the coming days (not weeks), Hamas surrenders fully and accepts their fates, and the people of Gaza accept a commitment to a peace agreement that would involve getting UNRWA Jew-hate education out of their schools, etc. But, IMNVHO, it's too late even for this.

[speak easy]

30. It would not be too late if the Gulf States took over

administration and security in Gaza.

Underlying it all is that bombing buildings won't dislodge Hamas. Continuing to do so with civilian causalities is a war crime.

[Richard D]

32. War crime is an easy label to toss...

I don't believe it is. Especially as Israel is still giving advanced warnings. Even now, weapons and tunnels are being destroyed, and high level Hamas leaders are being sent to Jehanna.

Of course, it could end today with releasing all the hostages and surrender by Hamas.

[speak easy]

38. a "surrender by Hamas"

... and that is the problem. A semi-religious organization that celebrates death (martyrdom) is most unlikely to surrender. The military solution is the same as it has always been - occupy Gaza and eject/terminate Hamas. Ariel bombardment may minimize IDF causalities, but it won't get the job done.

[Richard D]

39. That's happening now

My guess is that it'll be over soon.

[EdmondDantes_]

61. The problem is neither Hamas nor the various rightwing parties in Israel want that

Hamas has long openly called for Israel to be eliminated and now the current Israeli government is doing so. How do you get to a two state solution when neither party wants it?

[everyonematters]

17. The only thing Israel is accomplishing right now, is killing more human beings.

Most Palestinians don't support Hamas. There hasn't been an election in some time.

[Richard D]

18. This is highly debatable

but is the current Hamas driven propaganda.

[everyonematters]

23. Ok, explain in as much detail as you can. What are they accomplishing right now in Gaza?

[Mossfern]

45. That's encouraging

How do you know that most Palestinians don't support Hamas?

[everyonematters]

63. I have seen it reported in reputable news sources.

[Mossfern]

70. Which ones?

Do you have a link?

[everyonematters]

85. Here is an article.

https://www.jpost.com/israel-hamas-war/article-815996

[Mossfern]

90. I did a bit of resarch myself after my post to you

I read the article that you posted and am heartened that some Palestinians don't support Hamas.
However ( a more fancy "but" ) according to the article 40% of Palestinians support Hamas,
while in the US about 1/3 support Trump and the Republican party. In Israel:

https://www.timesofisrael.com/72-5-of-israelis-believe-netanyahu-should-take-responsibility-for-oct-7-and-resign/
Almost three-quarters of Israelis believe that Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu should take responsibility for the events of October 7, 2023, and resign from his position, according to a survey released on Sunday.

So - a greater percent of Palestinians support Hamas than Americans support Trump or Israelis support Netanyahu

Also, according to your article, there is little empathy for what happened to Israelis on 10/7 among Palestinians.
Now a reason for that, the article says, is that Al Jazeera denies the facts of that day.

However (again) one can't deny the crowds of Palestinians in the streets cheering and beating the bodies
of women raped and killed that day. Tell me that I can't believe my lying eyes ...

[everyonematters]

92. There is a lot of hate and atrocities going on from both sides.

[Mossfern]

94. Ah.... The "both sides" argument.

It is the stated mission of Hamas to eradicate Israel and KILL all Jews.

Remember that more than 70 percent of Israelis want Netanyahu to resign.

[everyonematters]

96. The people in Gaza have no control over Hamas. The leaders of Hamas are not in Gaza.

There was the original attack, and the Israeli response which is understandable. It is way past the point where I don't see what Israel is accomplishing besides killing more people. I understand the people of Israel are scared and frustrated. That doesn't justify what is going on now.

[Mossfern]

97. How do you propose Israel protect itself?

Mind you, I don't support the extremity of Israel's response.

Hamas leadership has stated explicitly that they don't care about Palestinians dying. The more "martyrs" the better for their PR. It seems to be a winning strategy for Hamas, not so much for Palestinians.

[everyonematters]

98. They can start by not abusing the Palestinians with things like the settlements and pushing people out of their homes.

Other than that, I don't know what is going to end this thing. This is what religion can do to societies.

[Mossfern]

107. I agree with you about the settlements, but

How does Israel deal with the fact that Hamas (with 40% Palestinian approval) claim that their mission
is to eradicate Israel and KILL all Jews?

Understand that Muslims are free to practice their religion publicly in Israel and even have representation in the government there?

What do you propose Palestinians do to create an everlasting peace?
Why does the responsibility fall 100% on Israel?

[AloeVera]

111. Who wants to eradicate who?

The ugly reality is that a majority of Israelis support the ethnic cleansing of both Gaza (82%!l) and even their OWN Arab-Palestinian CITIZENS (56%). Who btw never had the full rights of the Jewish citizens to begin with. For example, did you know there is a law that declares only Jewish Israelis have the right to self-determimation in Israel?

Hamas offered a 10-year truce and indicated they may be able to get agreement from their people on the 1967 borders. See their 2017 charter.

Israel ignored their offer and continued its blockade of Gaza and building more settlements.

The "Hamas wants to kill all Jews" claim is just BS propaganda. Because if you convince people your enemy wants to kill ALL of you, then all atrocities and war crimes you commit may be overlooked.

The only eradication and killing being done is by Israel. The planned cleansing and erasure of Palestinians has been in the works for over a hundred years. The Zionist founders recognized it was the only way to found and maintain an excusively Jewish state.


https://theconversation.com/in-israel-calls-for-genocide-have-migrated-from-the-margins-to-the-mainstream-250010

Meanwhile, large swaths of the Israeli public appear to support the mass expulsion of Palestinians and condone the concept of genocide in the abstract, according to a recent poll I commissioned through the Israeli polling firm Geocartography.

In the representative sample of Jewish Israelis who were polled from March 10-11, 2025, 82% supported the forced expulsion of Gaza’s population to other countries, while 56% endorsed the expulsion of Israel’s Arab citizens. By comparison, according to a 2003 poll, only 46% supported the “transfer of Palestinian residents of the occupied territories,” and just 31% supported the “transfer of Israel’s Arab citizens.”

Moreover, in my poll I relayed a story from the Book of Joshua, in which the ancient Israelites conquered the city of Jericho and killed all of its inhabitants.

When I asked respondents whether the Israeli army, when conquering an enemy city, should act similarly to the Israelites when they conquered Jericho, 47% of respondents said they should."

[Mossfern]

118. Seems like we have sources that don't match

The Headline for your article is highly contentions and I don't believe it.

In Israel, calls for genocide have migrated from the margins to the mainstream

I'd like to know what the 'representative sample' was for the survey from your article.
Their conclusion may be skewed if there was a preponderance of representative Jews from the West Bank. Alternatively it may be skewed the other way if the sample was mostly from Tel Aviv.

As for myself, of course I condemn the notion of moving the Palestinian population anywhere.

What's your solution to the issue?
Honestly we need people to come up with reasonable solutions not drastic ones.
What do Gazans want? What will move them to accept Israel and stop movements like the Intifada.
I still find it hard to believe that Netanyahu has majority support in Israel.

Do you deny that it is the goal of Hamas to eradicate Israel and kill all Jews?

[AloeVera]

120. Wrong link.

Sorry about that. Here is the correct link. The poll results were also published in the Hebrew version of Haaretz on May 22.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.newarab.com/news/poll-huge-majority-israelis-back-gaza-ethnic-cleansing%3famp

What do Gazans want? To live! Their homeland is destroyed, they have little hope now I imagine. They've been traumatized for 19 months! I think they are a different people now than they were in 2023. Trauma, deprivation and living in fear and seeing your family killed likely will do that. In that sense Netanyahu has already succeeded. I find that very sad.

There is no "solution" except the immediate stopping of this evil, barbaric assault on Palestinians. For heavens sake, do people not see that no nation or people can kill and murder their way to "safety"? Not only is it impossible, but it's morally very wrong.

As for Hamas, they are already finished. No one is going to care what they want. They never HAD the ability to eradicate Israel anyway. It's ridiculous.

They hate the "Zionist entity" as they call it. For good reason, from their peoples' perspective. That's just human nature. You hate what caused you loss and grief, loss of homeland and future for your kids. What kept you caged in a small strip of land wirh no hope.

They said many times their quarrel was with Israel, not the Jewish people. They did not go around the world killing "all Jews. Thete is no basis for saying that. It's fear-mongering that serves the ethnic cleansers and genocidaires' agenda.

[Mossfern]

124. Here is the original Hamas Charter

https://irp.fas.org/world/para/docs/880818a.htm

It was updated in 2017.
Here's the Google AI explanation:
https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d&q=hamas+charter

The Hamas Charter, also known as the Covenant of the Islamic Resistance Movement, is a document outlining the ideology, goals, and strategies of Hamas, a Palestinian Sunni Islamist organization
.
Key aspects of the Hamas Charter:

Ideology and Goals:
The charter defines Hamas as an Islamic movement committed to the liberation of Palestine and the establishment of an Islamic state.
It views the Israeli-Palestinian conflict as a religious one, framing it as a struggle against "Zionist invaders" and for the liberation of all of Palestine.
The charter advocates for Jihad (holy war) as the primary means to achieve its goals, emphasizing armed resistance against Israel.
Relationship with Israel:
The charter explicitly calls for the destruction of the State of Israel, rejecting any peaceful or negotiated solutions.
It asserts that all of Palestine is Islamic land and cannot be conceded to non-Muslims, including Jews.

Important points to note:

1988 Charter: The original Hamas charter was published in 1988 and reflected the organization's founding ideology.
2017 Document: In 2017, Hamas released a new policy document that presented a slightly more moderate stance on some issues, such as potentially accepting a Palestinian state within the 1967 borders, while still rejecting recognition of Israel and maintaining its commitment to armed struggle.
Ongoing Debate: There is an ongoing debate about whether the 2017 document represents a genuine shift in Hamas's ideology or is merely a tactical move to improve its international image.
Criticism: The Hamas Charter, particularly the 1988 version, has been widely criticized for its antisemitic language and its call for the destruction of Israel.

Disclaimer: It is important to note that the Hamas Charter is a complex and controversial document, and interpretations of its various articles may differ. This summary provides a general overview of the key aspects of the charter and does not necessarily reflect all viewpoints.

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[AloeVera]

125. The 2017 charter replaced the original one. It was a significant moderation.

If Israel really wanted peace and a two-state solution, it would have welcomed Hamas' moderation as at least an opening to negotiations. The fact that it ignored it instead points to the hardening of hearts and minds within Israel to the TSS, which really only had a chance prior to the rise of Likud. I'll point out again that the Likud Charter was the first to claim "from the river to the sea" in so many words - it said within that geographical area there will only be Israeli sovereignty.

I still prefer Wiki or my own research to AI. Here are some tidbits on the 2017 charter that I find interesting.

Rejection of antisemitism
In contrast to the 1988 Hamas charter, the 2017 covenant separates the struggle against Zionism from general antisemitism, stating Hamas fights Zionists, not for their Jewishness but because of their "illegal" project:

Hamas affirms that its conflict is with the Zionist project not with the Jews because of their religion. Hamas does not wage a struggle against the Jews because they are Jewish but wages a struggle against the Zionists who occupy Palestine. Yet, it is the Zionists who constantly identify Judaism and the Jews with their own colonial project and illegal entity.
Hamas rejects the persecution of any human being or the undermining of his or her rights on nationalist, religious or sectarian grounds. Hamas is of the view that the Jewish problem, antisemitism and the persecution of the Jews are phenomena fundamentally linked to European history and not to the history of the Arabs and the Muslims or to their heritage.[8]

Interviewed about this seeming change in Hamas's ideology, where in the old 1988 Hamas charter the enemy sometimes was labeled as "the Jews" but in the new 2017 charter the enemy is identified only as "Zionists", Khaled Mashal, in his last few days as highest leader of Hamas, declared in early May 2017: in the old charter indeed "the expression ["Jews"] was used", which he now criticized as "not (…) accurate" enough, emphasizing that Hamas' struggle "from the very start" was against "the Israeli occupier … not because they are Jews, (…) not because of their religion, but because (…) they have occupied our land, and attacked our people, and forced them out of their homes."[37]
.......

Under the heading "The position toward Occupation and Political Solutions" (paragraphs 18 to 23), the document describes the two-state solution, i.e. the creation of an independent Palestinian state in accordance with the 1967 borders with Jerusalem as its capital, as a "formula of national consensus", but without giving up the claim to the whole of Palestine, "from the river to the sea", and "without compromising its rejection of the Zionist entity."[8] Rickard Lagervall (Jönköping University) viewed this as an "ambiguous formulation".[27] Tareq Baconi (Columbia University, European Council on Foreign Relations) gives two reasons why Hamas didn't explicitly recognize Israel:[35]
- The PLO unilaterally offered Israel recognition without extracting an Israeli commitment to recognize the State of Palestine, thus it weakened its own negotiating position, which Hamas wanted to avoid.[35]
- Secondly, Hamas, and Palestinian society at large, could be willing to recognize the fact Israel now exists, but they cannot legitimize Zionism or legitimize what happened to the Palestinians during Israel's creation.[35]

It really is a much, much more complicated and complex issue than "they want to kill all Jews" and "eradicate Israel". But getting all the nuances and complexities involves first trying to understand and dare I say it - empathize - with the Palestinians' perspective. Not everyone can do it, but some eventually will get there.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_Hamas_charter

[Beastly Boy]

129. I prefer the Hamas 2017 charter itself to your own research.

Direct quotes from the "new and improved" charter:

The establishment of “Israel” is entirely illegal and contravenes the inalienable rights of the Palestinian people and goes against their will and the will of the Ummah; it is also in violation of human rights that are guaranteed by international conventions, foremost among them is the right to self-determination.

Hamas believes that no part of the land of Palestine shall be compromised or conceded, irrespective of the causes, the circumstances and the pressures and no matter how long the occupation lasts. Hamas rejects any alternative to the full and complete liberation of Palestine, from the river to the sea.

Resisting the occupation with all means and methods is a legitimate right guaranteed by divine laws and by international norms and laws. At the heart of these lies armed resistance, which is regarded as the strategic choice for protecting the principles and the rights of the Palestinian people.

Hamas rejects any attempt to undermine the resistance and its arms. It also affirms the right of our people to develop the means and mechanisms of resistance. Managing resistance, in terms of escalation or de-escalation, or in terms of diversifying the means and methods, is an integral part of the process of managing the conflict and should not be at the expense of the principle of resistance.

https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/hamas-2017-document-full

And then, there is October 7, which on its face is no more nuanced and complex than "they want to kill all Jews" and "eradicate Israel".

If these are the indicators of significant moderation, I have no idea why you would welcome them.

[Mossfern]

136. Yes, it's very complicated

and hate - in both directions is very disheartening and accomplishes nothing.

BTW, Wikipedia entries can be edited by anyone.
My kids did a very humorous edit on my stint as mayor of our town that stayed up for quite a while.
If it weren't so preposterous, it may have remained. It involved dinosaurs.
It's not the most reliable source.

My AI article does mention the 2017 change in the Hamas charter.

[AloeVera]

139. In wiki the sources are linked. Then you can further research.

As in the excerpts I posted.

And the AI summary was very skimpy on the 2017 charter, focusing on the original one. Which was not my point.

Hate is enabled by dehumanization lke calling people "human animals" etc. Even "terrorist-lovers". And of course the various anti-semitic tropes. It really does go both ways and is hard to eradicate once it takes root. De-programming is hard especially of whole societies. It was done once, though - look at Germany. I just don't see any possibility here, barring a miracle.

[Mossfern]

141. Once the right wing and Netanyahu are neutralized

Netanyahu belongs in prison and the liberal faction needs to regain power in Israel (like under Rabin).
Legislation needs to be passed to forestall any settlements. Much can be done in Israel, as well as much can be done in the Palestinian territories (not just Gaza). But people need to be willing.

It will take generations to fix the issue, but sadly I believe there are stubborn people on both sides of the issue.

It would help a whole bunch if Hamas would return the hostages dead and alive to Israel in a dignified manner. There is no reason for them not to do that other than stubbornness.

[EX500rider]

140. "The "Hamas wants to kill all Jews" claim is just BS propaganda"

In Hamas own words:

https://www.adl.org/resources/article/hamas-its-own-words

In its founding charter, Hamas cites a particularly violent hadith as proof that Muslims need to fight and kill Jews:

The hour of judgment shall not come until the Muslims fight the Jews and kill them, so that the Jews hide behind trees and stones, and each tree and stone will say: 'Oh Muslim, oh servant of Allah, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him,' except for the Gharqad tree, for it is the tree of the Jews. (Hamas Charter, Article 7).

[claudette]

154. Nuttyahoo's

goal is extermination. He makes that clear. Sound familiar? God help us

[SLClarke]

34. Ben Gurion

Ben Gurion was quite clear that the immigrant Jewish peoples were to take over Palestinian land, this way before he was PM. This is not to downplay HAMAS, but removing the Palestinians was understood from the get-go.
And there is ample evidence that Netanyahu knew about what HAMAS was planning a long time before they actually started bombing. He knew about it and used this as an excuse to go after more territory.
And when he says they will only stop fighting when ALL Palestinians are out of Gaza, then they can built a "beautiful" port on the Mediterranean, he means it, and has always meant it.

[OMGWTF]

22. I'm so old that I learned about a country called "Palestine" in grade school.

[Mossfern]

46. I belive that back before the partition

"Palestine" was occupied by Jews.
My grandfather, when he emigrated to the United States came through Palestine.
That was at the turn of the century. (1800's-1900's)

[AloeVera]

57. Yes, they lived fairly peacefully with the Arab population

Lived there for centuries. They were a small minority though - maybe 5%. But the Zionist Movement beginning in the late 19th century changed all that.

[PufPuf23]

54. 14,000 not 44,000 in two days and not true in either case.

The UN spokesman who misspoke or suffered histrionics or lied or whatever was wrong by timeline but not the fact that 14,000 or more children have been or will be killed by the IDF in Gaza by an extreme and poor choice in strategy to address the evil of October 6.

The intent of Netanyahu and supporters to depopulate Gaza has long been transparent. One can love Israel and still believe the assault on the people of Gaza is evil.

Evil is evil on an event by event basis.

[artemisia1]

12. Nobody can call it anything other than Ethnic Cleansing. Israeli apologists on this forum, notwithstanding. And, no, two

wrongs don't make a right. One can oppose both Hamas and the present Israeli government.

[claudette]

155. Agree 100%

[Orrex]

14. Impossible!

When I’ve suggested previously that this was Netanyahu’s plan, I was called a pro-Hamas antisemite who wants Israel driven into the sea!

[Butterflylady]

20. I agree,

This was netanyaho's plan all along. He's going to bring that country to it's knees and now he wants to bomb Iran. That will not end well.

[AloeVera]

60. I know, right? Oh the good 'ole days of shaming and ridicule...

Where are those people now? They must be as horrified as we are - even more so since this must be a shock to them, right?

[LisaM]

15. Yet Biden and Harris were the problem.

Last edited Sat May 24, 2025, 04:05 PM - Edit history (1)

I suppose we'll learn in time that any restraint on Netanyahu's fecklessness came from the Biden administration. But, way too late.

I support a two-state solution, as do, I hope, most people here. Uninstalling Netanyahu has to be part of that. He is like Trump in that a majority of Israelis don't support his policy, yet he's entrenched himself in power. He needs to go.

[W_HAMILTON]

31. There is a no state solution now for Gaza, and those that helped enabled a Trump victory ensured that.

Gaza is gone and Palestinians will be forever refugees or -- depending on Netanyahu's completely unrestrained desires -- outright exterminated.

Many of us warned everyone of this.

[Bettie]

36. And once he's done with the people in Gaza

he'll have to find some other place to wage war to keep from being prosecuted.

My guess is that he'll work on eliminating those he doesn't see as people in the West Bank...but, he could want a chunk of Lebanon or Egypt, who knows?

[LisaM]

37. Yes, and Kshama Sawant, erstwhile Seattle City Council member, is part of that.

She knew she couldn't flip Washington (where I live) so she went to Michigan (where I am from) and poisoned the well for Harris.

Sawant seems to have conveniently vanished for now, but I suppose she will crawl out from under a rock at some point to cause more harm.

[enid602]

76. Saudis

Yet the Saudís have stated that the Palestinians will not be moved. Very influencial, the Saudís.

[bdamomma]

116. I never hear

about the hostages????? do you???

[julmur]

19. But

I thought President Biden was genocide Joe?!!!

[jalan48]

24. David vs Goliath, and Goliath is not backing down!

[Walleye]

26. Now that's textbook genocide

[Mike Nelson]

27. ... and in The End...

... the hate you make is equal to the hate you take.

[W_HAMILTON]

29. We warned people of this.

We warned them that Netanyahu was hoping for/helping with a Trump win so that he could do exactly this (https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/israel-trump-1.7375519).

And *just enough* idiots that thought they were somehow helping the Gaza situation by not supporting and voting for Kamala.

To me, they are almost as complicit as Trump and Netanyahu -- wait, no, fuck that. They are every bit as complicit. Gaza no longer existing and Palestinians being forever refugees is as much on them as it is Trump and Netanyahu because this would not be the road we would be going down in Biden or Kamala were in office right now.

[Chasstev365]

33. Translation:

I will kill as many innocents as I need to stay out of jail:

COME ON ISRAELIS: YOU'RE BETTER THAN THIS!

[Bettie]

35. So, NOW can we call it

ethnic cleansing?

Because it really looks like that is what it is, regardless of the religion/nationality of the people doing it.

[red dog 1]

40. Israeli settlers attacked a village near Bethlehem just hours ago, killing livestock belonging to Palestinians

Their terrorism spares no one - not even animals

Link to tweet

Ignore "Not found" and click on "Link to tweet" to watch video (graphic content)

[Bettie]

41. Well, guess the West Bank

will be the next "cleansing" to ensure that Netanyahu's right wing settler buddies have more living space.

[AloeVera]

64. It's been happening since Oct 7th.

I read 30 or 40 THOUSAND Palestinians have been displaced or had their home taken. Over 500 killed. More by now probably, I lost track.

We just haven't paid as much attention. But the West Bank is next.

No remorse, no shame. Poor Palestinians.

[Bettie]

69. It's been happening there for years

now, once they've "cleansed" Gaza, they'll move on full-scale to the West Bank. Round up whole villages and make sure they don't come back.

That's the only way Netanyahu stays in power and away from his legal issues, so he'll play to the right wing hard liners.

[Takket]

42. This is a decision that was made about 10 minutes after the terror attack (if not before), by the way

They just finally feel comfortable enough saying it publicly.

[Nanjeanne]

44. This comes as no surprise. For reference, and if anyone is interested in doing really deep diving

into what is/has been going on for the Palestinian people but are interested in it from an Israeli humanitarian viewpoint - I recommend using B’Tselem as a resource. It is The Israeli Information Center for Human Rights in the Occupied Territories and mission strives for a future in which human rights, liberty and equality are guaranteed to all people, Palestinian and Jewish alike, living between the Jordan River and the Mediterranean Sea https://www.btselem.org]

You could spend months reading all the articles, statistics, etc. their list of topics is vast and within each topic are many many articles. https://www.btselem.org/list_of_topics]

I am dropping the link - not to have a debate on the organization itself although I am sure there are some who will want to do that. Their list of awards speaks for itself including the New Israel Fund 2023 Truth to Power award to B'Tselem field researcher Nasser Nawaj’ah for his work defending human rights in the Occupied Territories. But because there is so much to learn about what has been happening and knowing only helps us to understand and possibly, as B’Tselem says “ realize a future in which human rights, liberty and equality are guaranteed to all human beings living here, Palestinians and Jews alike.”

[AloeVera]

65. I hope people do go to their site. Eye-opening.

It's a wonderful, couragous organization. I love them!

[Nanjeanne]

67. Would be worthwhile. But don't expect it.

[lapucelle]

78. I went to the website, ProPublica, and then to (oh dear) SourceWatch.

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Propublica names Simone Zimmermann as the Executive Director.

https://projects.propublica.org/nonprofits/organizations/262823635/202220539349301112/full

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Ms Zimmermann's name is nowhere on the masthead or in the "About Us" page on the B'Tselem website.

https://www.btselem.org/about_btselem/board_members

---------------------------------------------

SourceWatch is absolutely fascinating! The most recent information they have about B'Tslem is from 18 years ago. No wonder all the information about about the board and executive director is wrong!

https://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php/B'Tselem

And then there's the SourceWatch disclaimer:

[Violet_Crumble]

80. Influence Watch is run by a conservative think tank.

Founded in 2016, Influence Watch is a project of the conservative think tank Capital Research Center. According to their about page, “Capital Research Center conceived of this project after identifying a need for more fact-based, accurate descriptions of all of the various influencers of public policy issues.” In simpler terms, Influence Watch attempts to be the right-leaning counter to the left-leaning Sourcewatch, which profiles how and where think tanks, organizations, and media are funded.

*snip*

In general, Influence Watch uses strongly loaded words to describe the organizations they are profiling, often labeling them extremists.

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/influence-watch/

Here's information on B'tselem that's not from a RW source. Also, unless I'm remembering incorrectly, the Israeli government led by Netanyahu attempted to shut down B'tselem and other Israeli human rights groups.

B'TSELEM - The Israeli Information Center for Human Rights in the Occupied Territories "was established in 1989 by a group of prominent academics, attorneys, journalists, and Knesset members. It endeavors to document and educate the Israeli public and policymakers about human rights violations in the Occupied Territories, combat the phenomenon of denial prevalent among the Israeli public, and help create a human rights culture in Israel." [

https://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php/B'Tselem

[lapucelle]

110. Propublica names Simone Zimmermann as their executive director, but she's nowhere to be found

on their "Abour Us" page.

https://projects.propublica.org/nonprofits/organizations/262823635/202220539349301112/full
simone zimmermann

[AloeVera]

83. Sums it up nicely and accurately. Thanks, I'm saving this.

In a September 2024 article, B’Tselem claimed “the Israeli government does not want to return the hostages [taken by Hamas in the October 7, 2023 attacks] in a deal, but to continue the war indefinitely.”

Well... turns out they were right about that too.

[lapucelle]

109. If by "sums it up nicely" you mean more agenda-driven than fact-based, then yes.

Do you have any reliable links for your assertions, or just stuff like this?

The internet abounds with bias confirmation.

[Nanjeanne]

84. That's nice. Did you read many of the articles? Did you read about the orgs that have given them awards?

Did you go to Global ministries and read? Did you read about them in the University Center for international Studies? The Jewish Virtual Library? The New Yorker even? Wikipedia? Did you read enough to make a judgement? Or just look for some place to put your own bias to work? That’s fine. Not a surprise. So discount everything because Influence Watch gave you the opportunity to do so. No problem.

Oh FYI per Media Bias Fact

Influence Watch

RIGHT BIAS

These media sources are moderately to strongly biased toward conservative causes through story selection and/or political affiliation. They may utilize strong loaded words (wording that attempts to influence an audience by using appeal to emotion or stereotypes), publish misleading reports, and omit information that may damage conservative causes. Some sources in this category may be untrustworthy. See all Right Bias sources.

Overall, we rate Influence Watch Right Biased based on the left-leaning sources they more frequently profile, as well as the use of loaded words such as “extremist” to describe liberal policy. We also rate them High for factual reporting due to proper sourcing and a clean fact check record.

Another reason to recommend B’Tselem. When a Human Rihts Organization is disliked by a right wing media watch organization it’s a win!

You don’t need to let me know what you do and don’t read to enhance your vast knowledge. It’s always been very apparent to me.

Thanks for sharing. My pheromones must have been really strong. You managed to find my post in a thread full of posters comments but it’s me you sussed out. Not sure if I should be flattered or frightened by your attention.

[lapucelle]

108. No. I researched the funding, board, and executive director.

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According to ProPublica, tax forms filed in 2022 list Simone Zimmerman is listed as executive director. Her name is nowhere to be found on the B'Tslem website. I wonder why?

https://projects.propublica.org/nonprofits/organizations/262823635/202220539349301112/full

[Nanjeanne]

112. Maybe they don't list the US Director on their site. *shrug*

[lapucelle]

114. Well, given her history, keeping her name on the downlow seems smart.

How long did she last as Senator Sanders's Jewish Outreach Advisor before he fired her? Two days?

[Nanjeanne]

115. Less time than Max Berger, co-founder of IfNotNow who served as aide to Warren's presidential campaign

It was a shame the pressure was on to fire her for her FB post. Frankly it was on target

Fuck you Bibi,” using Netanyahu’s nickname, and described the Israeli leader as “arrogant, deceptive, cynical” and “manipulative.” She criticized Netanyahu for trying to “derail” the Iranian nuclear negotiations and for leading the charge into Gaza, where roughly 1,500 Palestinian civilians were killed during the 2014 invasion.

Sounds about right to me!

[lapucelle]

128. Yes, well, it's always revealing when politicians are forced bow to pressure

that could have been avoided had they simply done their homework.

[Nanjeanne]

130. Oh she was vetted. Pressure came from outside since the FB post really was long ago and what many of us

Jews also believe. It was sad Bernie felt he had to bow to pressure but she and Bernie appear to be good from interviews since and frankly her post was prescient. I get your endless desire to find, post and repeat anything you deem negative against Sanders but frankly I don’t give a damn (tm Scarlett) so no real reason to keep responding to what was simply a resource suggestion for people who like reading about things and aren’t put off by rw sites or ultra pro Israel can do no wrong advocacy groups.

[lapucelle]

134. Ambitious politicians bow to pressure all the time. It's the expedient thing to do. N/T

[Israeli]

150. Happy to see you did not give up

so lets give her more Left wing Israeli websites she can
nitpick over :
All are in Hebrew , English or Arabic .

https://peacenow.org.il/en

http://zope.gush-shalom.org/index_en.html

https://www.theparentscircle.org/en/homepage-en/

https://www.ir-amim.org.il/en

https://www.breakingthesilence.org.il/

https://www.progressiveisrael.org/about-us/history/

https://www.machsomwatch.org/about-us-2/

https://www.yesh-din.org/en/about-us/

https://www.nif.org/

https://www.rhr.org.il/eng

https://womeninblack.org/vigils-arround-the-world/middle-east/israel/

[Andy Canuck]

47. Yitzak Rabin, Yasser Arafat and the Oslo Accords

Yitzak Rabin, Yasser Arafat and the Oslo Accords were so close to peace and a two-state solution until an extremist right-wing Israeli, in the Netanyahu mold, killed Rabin. The Israeli far-right has never believed in a two-state solution and they killed their own Prime Minister to stop it from happening. After Rabin was murdered it was the end of the dream of a Palestinian state and just a matter of time before the far-right in Israel moved in and took the land and removed the people. It wasn’t Hamas or a Palestinian that killed Rabin and the dream of peace in the Middle East.

[electric_blue68]

149. I Haven't Forgotten that!

[Israeli]

151. Absolutely correct

and now the same exact people are threatening the life of yet another
leader of Avoda for speaking the truth .

See : https://democraticunderground.com/1134143534

[David__77]

48. Ethnic cleansing is officially an aim of this war.

[Peacetrain]

49. Damn it all to hell.. where are these people supposed to go??

No one will take them in.. they are stuck in their own country (little piece of land that it is) in the most crowded spot on earth.. dying from lack of food and clean water.. babies dying.. this has to stop

[David__77]

66. What's certain is that they shouldn't have to leave their own country.

[EX500rider]

142. " in the most crowded spot on earth" Not really, that would be Macau followed by Monaco

https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_and_dependencies_by_population_density

[vanessa_ca]

145. It's the most crowded concentration camp in the world.

"Gaza is a concentration camp. I know the weight of these words. I don’t write them lightly.”
https://trt.global/world/article/efdf109c7cd3


There. Feel better now?

[EX500rider]

147. Never seen a "concentration camp" with restaurants, hospitals, stores, etc

And even if it is, it is of their own making, all they had to to was be peaceful neighbors.

Why did Egypt keep tight control over their border with Gaza?
They could have had lots of free trade via that border but Eygpt soon found out their main export was terrorism in the Sinai, for some reason that wasn't popular with the Egyptians, who'd guessed?!

[no_hypocrisy]

51. Ummmmm . . . . . wasn't that the goal of Hamas?

To empty Israel of Jews?

[Orrex]

53. Your assertion is that Israel is no better than a vile terrorist regime?

[no_hypocrisy]

75. That's your conclusion. I was pointing out the goals are similar, if not the same.

[Orrex]

86. It's the conclusion that follows logically from what you wrote

Additionally, Hamas--a vile terrorist regime that should be wiped out to its last member--has never had anything like the means to drive Israel into the sea. Netanyahu, in stark and US-funded contrast, has the means and apparent desire to murder millions of Palestinians. To that end, he's murdered far more Palestinians than Hamas has murdered Israels.

Some simpering, unthinking asshats might dismiss that as "a numbers game," but it's hard to ignore the disparity in body counts.


I'd be grateful if someone could explain the moral superiority of Netanyahu's goal.

[no_hypocrisy]

88. Hatred on both sides cancel each other out.

[Orrex]

89. Ah yes. Deuteronomy.

One would hope that we'd advanced beyond bronze age bloodthirsty justifications, but I guess here we are.

[claudette]

52. He will

kill
All the Palestinians and rename Gaza to Israel. I despise him.

[magicarpet]

55. Yeeee,.... Haaaaaa !

Condo towers, casinos, and golf courses. You can't make money if you don't unleash the builders and developers.

Build .... build,.... build.

[Ping Tung]

59. There is no flag large enough to cover the shame of killing innocent people. Howard Zinn

[Jit423]

62. Don't know about you, but this sounds like genocide to me. Ethnic cleansing at a minimum.

Israeli government is evil. I haven't read anywhere that Israel has treated any German entity since WWII as cruelly as it has the Palestinians and other Arabs. It should be a crime to not speak out against what Israel is doing in Gaza.

[Scrivener7]

79. Uh huh. "Never again," apparently didn't mean "never."

[Bad Thoughts]

72. Follow the links: he doesn't say that

He says Israel must establish control and hostages must be returned.

Hint: any resolution that allows aid to flow in will require military control. No other state has stepped up to play that role.

[David__77]

73. He said the depopulation plan must be implemented. He's a racist and ethnic cleansing is officially a war aim.

[Bad Thoughts]

74. Quote Netanyahu, please!

None of the links in the article show Netanyahu saying he would remove Palestinians from Gaza. He only references pushing civilian into the southern areas, allowing the IDF to operate in the north.

[David__77]

93. Here you go

Trump plan is permanent ethnic cleansing:

Trump says Palestinians would not have a right to return to Gaza under his redevelopment plan
https://www.wkow.com/news/international/trump-says-palestinians-would-not-have-a-right-to-return-to-gaza-under-his-redevelopment/article_2d75099a-4a88-5739-88fc-342812111620.html

“No, they wouldn’t,” Trump said in an interview on Fox News when asked whether the Palestinians would have a right to return

Netenyahu fully endorses said Trump plan:

Netanyahu sets implementation of Trump’s Gaza relocation plan as new condition for ending war
https://www.timesofisrael.com/netanyahu-implementation-of-trumps-gaza-relocation-plan-is-condition-for-ending-war/amp/

While “ready to end the war,” Netanyahu said he would only agree to do so “under clear conditions that will ensure the safety of Israel: All the hostages come home, Hamas lays down its arms, steps down from power, its leadership is exiled from the Strip… Gaza is totally disarmed; and we carry out the Trump plan. A plan that is so correct and so revolutionary.”

—

The racist baby killer thinks he’s being clever here- he’s calling for ethnic cleansing.

[Bad Thoughts]

100. Fail! No quote that directly addresses the issue

Nowhere in that passage does Netahyahu say Palestinians will be removed from Gaza entire, only removal from areas where military operations are taking place--THE HUMANITARIAN REQUIREMENT.

Trump's awful plan no longer contains proposal for forced removal of Palestinians. A casual reference by Netanyahu does not make a former proposal his policy.

[Jack Valentino]

123. "Pushing" is another word for GENOCIDE....

"GENOCIDE" does not necessarily mean "killing people",
although the Israeli government is doing enough of THAT, also....

[Autumn]

95. In this press confrence he said "Trump's "revolutionary" plan to relocate Gaza's civilians

is a condition for ending the conflict. " In other word Netanyahoo has no intention of ending the conflict.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/netanyahu-implementation-of-trumps-gaza-relocation-plan-is-condition-for-ending-war/
Netanyahu sets implementation of Trump’s Gaza relocation plan as new condition for ending war
At rare press conference, PM insists Qatari funds sent to Hamas at Israel’s request did not enable Oct. 7, seems to downplay terror group’s capabilities: ‘Attacked in flip-flops’; falsely claims Kibbutz Ein HaShlosha was not invaded

This is Trump brilliant plan from AJC

This initiative proposes relocating Palestinian residents to neighboring countries like Egypt and Jordan, with the stated goal of providing them with safer and more stable living conditions. Trump envisions the U.S. leading Gaza’s reconstruction by clearing unexploded ordnance, removing debris, and developing infrastructure to create jobs and housing. He argues that this approach would prevent the region from reverting to conflict and instability.

However, Egypt and Jordan have firmly rejected the proposal, citing concerns over regional destabilization and the forced displacement of Palestinians from their homeland. Their opposition underscores broader skepticism about the plan’s feasibility and long-term consequences.

https://www.ajc.org/news/what-is-trumps-proposal-for-gaza

[Bad Thoughts]

99. Trump walked back the resettlement requirement

Find where Netanyahu directly said Palestinians will be cleared of Gaza.

[Autumn]

104. Show me where he didn't say it. As of May 22 he said Trump is still commited to it.

As for Trump walking back the resettlement requirement. Trump lies

Trump’s ‘absolute commitment’
Asked about reports of a growing rift between him and Trump, Netanyahu asserted that Israel’s relations with the United States are positive, and that the US president’s warming relations with Arab states in the Middle East do not worry him.

Netanyahu said he was assured by Trump and US Vice President JD Vance in recent days that America has Israel’s back.

[Bad Thoughts]

105. Watch here

At 10:55

?si=PajoALAqOR5okjQA

[Autumn]

106. May 22 Netanyahoo said Trump was still committed to the plan

Netanyahu said he was assured by Trump and US Vice President JD Vance in recent days that America has his back. May 22 does come after March 12. So no, I don't need to hear what the orange sack of pus has to say, beacuse he lies.

[EX500rider]

143. "Show me where he didn't say it" How do you show someone not saying something exactly?

[LearnedHand]

91. Oh, so it ISN't about the Hamas attack after all

Who could possibly have foreseen that?



Monsters.

[Klarkashton]

101. He isn't doing this by himself.

[bdamomma]

113. Bibi

You POS, ethic cleansing is what you are doing !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[AntiFascist]

117. The Andrew Jackson of Israel, except much worse n/t

[I_UndergroundPanther]

119. Netanyahu

Is such a corrupt
Tyrant. This Gaza genocide must end.

[lees1975]

121. "Emptying" provinces of a specific ethnic group. Hmm. Wasn't that a thing in Europe in the 1930"s?

It sounds familiar.........

[kentuck]

131. Sounds like the Nazis trying to get all the Jews out of Germany?

Some people think so.

[bdamomma]

132. He's

a killer and murderer, just like Putin.

All for that felon and his plan for Gaza

[lark]

133. New nickname - Big Murderer. Little Murderer, his old nickname, no longer fits.

With krasnov;s assistance, he's moved into the big leagues of genocidal murder for profit - his and orange assclowns'.

[uponit7771]

135. Straight genocide

[Safe as Milk]

138. Anger at Israel has nothing to do with anti-Semitism.

There is no euphemism for ethnic cleansing and murdering civilians. When Israel does it, they do not distinguish themselves from fascists anywhere in the world. They don't get a pass. They are fully capable of committing war crimes, and they're doing it.

[SalamanderSleeps]

152. Is Netanyahu trying to burn up all of the world's sentiment for the state of Israel?

Trump, Netanyahu, and Adolf Hitler (even though he's dead) seem to all be vying for the title of "Evil Lying Prick of the Ages."

[claudette]

153. Of course

That was his goal from the beginning. Not self-defense. And we are helping him. God help us to see this mistake