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yardwork

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134. This gentile doesn't think that's true.

Fri May 23, 2025, 09:15 AM

May 23

Based on my own observations and some knowledge of history, I think that horrific antisemitism has been around for a long time. It bubbles under the surface and then rises up again.

The events and murder in Charlottesville, for instance, after which the American president said "there were very fine people on both sides."

I don't agree with what Netanyahu is doing in Gaza, but for some reason that hasn't motivated me to kill Jews.

I didn't agree with what the U.S. - led by Christians - did in Iraq and Afghanistan (killing and torturing many more people than Israel had in its entire history) but for some reason I didn't assassinate anybody over it. Nor did I burn down Christian churches, throw red paint on Christian people's houses, or any of the other things that some self- proclaimed progressives think is a logical response to Israel's actions.

Nobody did. Nobody who protested the Iraq and Afghanistan invasions argued that murder and bigotry was an inevitable response to our atrocities.

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They were attending an event focused on Israeli Palestinian cooperation to bring humanitarian aid to Gaza. [View all] mcar May 22 OP

That stupid stupid claudette May 22 #1

This message was self-deleted by its author mcar May 22 #3

"How many innocent Gazans will Israel now kill as revenge" Richard D May 22 #31

I swear they can't help themselves cabotnn22 May 22 #50

I've yet to see them protesting mcar May 22 #63

It's certainly a window into the poster's mindset. yardwork May 22 #52

It was a question - not a statement claudette May 22 #57

The blood libel goes back (IIRC) to the Middle Ages . . . . hatrack May 23 #187

I missed that part mcar May 22 #62

Israel's Netanyahu vows 'mighty vengeance' against Hamas Celerity May 22 #70

Nice Gish Gallop Richard D May 22 #79

That is argument via ad hominem. It is not gish gallop, it is a receipt-filled, documented refutation of your claims. nt Celerity May 22 #81

Random, unsourced, unformatted screen shot are not a "refutation". lapucelle May 23 #158

Thank you for posting that claudette May 23 #181

Gish Gallop screenshot spam is somewhat less obnoxious when the spammer knows how to format photos. lapucelle May 22 #105

It took forever to get to the bottom of on my phone. yardwork May 23 #135

Yes, and so is trump, and the idiots who refused to vote for VP Harris. JohnSJ May 23 #178

Killed trying to feed starving babies. Irish_Dem May 22 #2

Make it make sense mcar May 22 #4

The world has gone crazy. Irish_Dem May 22 #18

It's tragic, attending an event to aid Gazans. brush May 22 #38

You're blaming Israel for this? Really? mcar May 22 #87

Why, of course he is, MarineCombatEngineer May 22 #89

I'm so old, I remember when we decried blaming mcar May 22 #94

Up is down, down is up, black is white, white is black. MarineCombatEngineer May 22 #95

And playing right into Trump's tiny hands mcar May 22 #97

I remember that too. EllieBC May 22 #123

I'm so old i remember ... enid602 May 23 #186

Is there comprehension problem? Read it again, I'm blaming... brush May 22 #120

For killing two Jews in DC? Beastly Boy May 23 #128

Come on, BB. You're not that naive. You know very well the horrific rise of openly antisemitic incidents... brush May 23 #130

This gentile doesn't think that's true. yardwork May 23 #134

Keep fooling yourself if you want. It's ethnic cleansing. brush May 23 #180

I think you might have responded to the wrong post. yardwork May 23 #183

Who is being naive? Beastly Boy May 23 #142

Keep fooling yourself if you want. It's ethnic cleansing. brush May 23 #179

I already did that. I looked up the working definition of ethnic cleansing. Beastly Boy May 23 #182

Pls, your lack of empathy for the victims in Gaza is showing again. brush May 23 #184

Not my utter disregard for the rule of law? Whew, I am relieved! Beastly Boy May 23 #185

yeah, absolutely, lets blame it on the Israeli Left Israeli May 23 #131

I have no shortge of targets for blame, but the Israeli Left is not one of them Beastly Boy May 23 #145

Its not about you and me Israeli May 23 #167

Sorry, I lost track of it - I had an unusual number of posts to respond to yesterday Beastly Boy May 23 #172

To the extent of blaming us for the murders of two Israelis Israeli May 23 #190

If you want me to get defensive, I will. Beastly Boy May 24 #193

Post removed Post removed May 23 #136

JHFC JustAnotherGen May 22 #5

The two murdered Israeli embassy employees were murdered . . . CaliforniaPeggy May 22 #6

Thank you Peggy mcar May 22 #11

I had to say it, my dear mcar. If I hadn't, I would have exploded in anger. Got close to that anyhow. CaliforniaPeggy May 22 #13

A great many of those slaughtered on Oct 7 . . . Richard D May 22 #33

Yes thank you for posting this DENVERPOPS May 22 #67

People on this board have referred to Hamas as freedom fighters. nt LexVegas May 22 #7

And as Mandela-like mcar May 22 #12

But how many have referred to them that way? ShazzieB May 22 #36

Yes.. I saw one yesterday and Disagreed Strongly! Cha May 22 #45

And to top it off, MarineCombatEngineer May 22 #8

That post was disgusting. nt LexVegas May 22 #9

Also, BTW, compared them to Putin lackeys. OilemFirchen May 22 #10

That was a different poster, I think. yardwork May 22 #15

Ah... OilemFirchen May 22 #20

Both are no longer members of DU. /nt yardwork May 22 #22

Damn shame. OilemFirchen May 22 #28

They have indeed. yardwork May 22 #30

It's sickening mcar May 22 #14

Really? AloeVera May 22 #16

From WaPo: mcar May 22 #17

There's a pay wall Mossfern May 22 #19

Gift article: yardwork May 22 #21

Thanks mcar May 22 #27

Thank you for the link. AloeVera May 22 #24

Your vague handwringing is noted. yardwork May 22 #26

Good heavens! mcar May 22 #29

Why indeed.... yardwork May 22 #32

That's about the size of it mcar May 22 #34

It's right there. yardwork May 22 #35

According to their website: AloeVera May 22 #37

Here's some truth from an eyewitness mcar May 22 #39

I'm at a loss as to why that is a problem. yardwork May 22 #41

Do you really not understand? AloeVera May 22 #44

What a bizarre post. yardwork May 22 #51

Jeebus. AloeVera May 22 #74

.... MarineCombatEngineer May 22 #76

It sure is. AloeVera May 22 #86

And you've been doing your darndest to deflect or hijack the thread instead of staying on the OP's MarineCombatEngineer May 22 #88

Looked to me TommyT139 May 22 #108

That poster says that the WaPo article was "poorly fact checked." yardwork May 23 #144

I also went to the sponsoring org sites TommyT139 May 23 #165

Do you much about diplomacy? yardwork May 23 #174

Have a wonderful weekend. TommyT139 May 23 #176

Seems like there are a few folks here deeply invested in scoffing lapucelle May 23 #189

Yes. I saw all that too. yardwork May 24 #191

It's so weird that the poster who insisted that it was a Jewish cultural event -- lapucelle May 24 #192

It looks like some folks didn't bother to do the homework before issuing dismissive pronouncements. lapucelle May 23 #188

Orwellian.... 58Sunliner May 22 #102

Having read thru your posts at this thread, I can see that you are concerned. Very, very concerned. Hekate May 22 #75

I suggest you watch Nicole Wallace's 1st segment mcar May 22 #65

I can pretty much guarantee that it won't. MarineCombatEngineer May 22 #78

I know mcar May 22 #85

You make it sound like charitable work and fostering unity and celebrating Jewish heritage are mutually exclusive. Beastly Boy May 22 #73

So the truth is that the murderer was at a Jewish event to hunt Jews. lapucelle May 22 #109

Of course that's the obvious retort. AloeVera May 22 #114

Yes, the truth is pretty obvious: the Jew-hating murderer who bellowed "Free, free Palestine" lapucelle May 22 #116

The operative word is "Palestine". And "Gaza". AloeVera May 22 #122

The word you chose was operative to a Jew hater who killed two random Jews. Beastly Boy May 23 #129

She really has outdid herself this time hasn't she. MarineCombatEngineer May 23 #133

Yet there are Muslim States Mossfern May 23 #126

This is a great question, mcar May 23 #147

Yup Mossfern May 23 #148

I think there's another reason for it mcar May 23 #149

Maybe the "pro-Pal" movement should stop conflating Jewishness with Israel. yardwork May 23 #139

A stickler for truth? MarineCombatEngineer May 23 #132

More from the article, including the name of the speaker. yardwork May 22 #43

That's odd. Are we looking at the same article as in the o/p? AloeVera May 22 #46

That's the topic of this subthread. yardwork May 22 #47

The article has been updated. AloeVera May 22 #60

Like you, I prefer researching to truly understand and make my thoughts about something so close to my Nanjeanne May 22 #58

Thank you. AloeVera May 22 #61

It's easy to grasp. It's just that some people will twist into pretzels to ration out compassion for Nanjeanne May 22 #64

Are you talking about compassion for the two victims of this murder? yardwork May 22 #84

I am talking about compassion for all innocent victims including these two young victims. Nanjeanne May 22 #90

Not only removed, but PPR'd also, MarineCombatEngineer May 22 #92

You see compassion for these two Mossfern May 22 #99

Yes and I think buts are not necessary. In this thread or in the threads about the Gazans dying. Nanjeanne May 22 #113

I hear you Israeli May 23 #138

Bless you. She was a force. As is Women for Peace. Nanjeanne May 23 #140

Always a "but" mcar May 22 #96

Seems to me then that the murderer who shrieked "Free, free Palestine" is a Jew-hater lapucelle May 22 #110

Did you research who the keynote speakers at the event were? lapucelle May 22 #112

Sorry I didn't respond immediately. Ive had you on ignore for such a long time and only saw this Nanjeanne May 22 #115

So when someone logs out and then logs back in, they see responses from folks on their ignore list? N/T lapucelle May 22 #117

That had me ROFLing. OilemFirchen May 22 #121

Yes if you aren't signed in you can see everyone's response. Saw yours. Signed in and removed you from ignore Nanjeanne May 23 #137

What I do know is that if someone is not logged in, there is no "My Posts" tab on the home page. lapucelle May 23 #150

That is so true. Good for you. But you do know your own name and can recognize it when you read a thread Nanjeanne May 23 #154

Did you know there was a response to you via the "bat signal" you wrote about? lapucelle May 23 #161

God I love you. I'll never put you on ignore again. So entertaining! Nanjeanne May 23 #162

I log in every time and the one DUer I have on ignore stays on ignore. yardwork May 23 #141

I think you are still not understanding. If you aren't logged in NOONE can be on ignore since ignore is tied Nanjeanne May 23 #151

I wasn't responding to you. yardwork May 23 #153

Sorry! It's gotten so complicated I think I've landed in some alter universe. Nanjeanne May 23 #156

Well, it doesn't have to be that complicated. yardwork May 23 #175

My post about it getting complicated was about Ignore Lists, Signing Out, Seeing posts. It had Nanjeanne May 23 #177

I just tried what you suggested, and you are correct, MarineCombatEngineer May 23 #155

Whew never thought it was going to turn I to a thing! Nanjeanne May 23 #157

LOL. MarineCombatEngineer May 23 #159

And there is no "My Posts" tab if you're not logged. lapucelle May 23 #152

If you're not logged in, MarineCombatEngineer May 23 #160

Yes I know. But the poster wrote about some sort of "bat signal" that goes out lapucelle May 23 #163

Ah, ok, I misunderstood your post. MarineCombatEngineer May 23 #164

Uh reading the thread. You know your screen name Doncha? Nanjeanne May 23 #166

Did a bat signal go out or did you take me off ignore? N/T lapucelle May 23 #169

As I said I can't ignore you. You are so entertaining and make me laugh. We all need some of that! Nanjeanne May 23 #170

He targeted the 2 people who were attending the event, MarineCombatEngineer May 22 #106

Quoting from wapo: AloeVera May 22 #107

So the argument is that he focused on a Jewish event at a Jewish museum, but it wasn't anti-Semitic attack lapucelle May 22 #118

He was targeting Zionism. AloeVera May 22 #124

He was definitely targeting specific people. Mosby May 22 #125

Then he is the lousiest shot I've ever seen. Beastly Boy May 23 #127

Where did you read that the "Zionist state" made the Jew-hating murderer "lose his mind"? lapucelle May 23 #168

But according to you, that article was "poorly fact checked." yardwork May 23 #146

it's devastating Dorian Gray May 22 #23

It's a pretty simple decision, really. yardwork May 22 #25

Implying that the murders are justified Mblaze May 22 #40

Funny how that works, isn't it? mcar May 22 #42

So Heartbreaking, mcar. 💙 Cha May 22 #48

I'm so sad about it mcar May 22 #66

Oy yeah... it's Unfathomable.. Cha May 22 #69

And those that cheered it are being shown the door. MarineCombatEngineer May 22 #71

YES! And, one not so Cha May 22 #72

Please share to my DU mail? Hekate May 22 #77

Will Do.. gladly Cha May 22 #80

🥳 Hekate May 22 #82

Could you share some of that good news here too? 😜 tritsofme May 22 #101

Yes, Forthwith! Cha May 22 #103

Aim: destroy opportunity for dialogue and cooperation Bad Thoughts May 22 #49

That does seem to be the purpose of this assassination. yardwork May 22 #54

Reddit thinks the shooting was a false flag Bonx May 22 #53

Of course they do Richard D May 22 #55

And a majority are indifferent or support the murders Bonx May 22 #59

Not surprising in the least and there are those that will eat this up. MarineCombatEngineer May 22 #83

I saw one of the organizers of the event on MSNBC senseandsensibility May 22 #56

And just after the murders, people inside welcomed the killer without knowing he was the murderer and was concerned Solly Mack May 22 #68

True humanitarians mcar May 22 #98

They were trying to do good. That said, had Gazan aid never been stopped, they would be alive today or at least not Jit423 May 22 #91

And if HAMAs had stayed on their side of the border, MarineCombatEngineer May 22 #93

How hard can it be to just say this is tragic mcar May 22 #100

As hard as it is to say that the murderer was motivated by anti-Semitism. N/T lapucelle May 22 #119

The deaths of this couple is heartbreaking. madaboutharry May 22 #104

I see it two ways. yardwork May 23 #143

I always appreciate those with a half full glass view of things. madaboutharry May 23 #171

Which I rarely have! yardwork May 23 #173

Murder bad. (n/t) Iggo May 22 #111