They were attending an event focused on Israeli Palestinian cooperation to bring humanitarian aid to Gaza.

[mcar]

Let me repeat: The two murdered Israeli embassy employees

were attending an event focused on Israeli Palestinian cooperation to bring humanitarian aid to Gaza.

Now we have Republican idiots calling for Gaza to be nuked. And some people on this board, to my eternal sorrow, implying that the murders were justified.

They were attending an event focused on Israeli Palestinian cooperation to bring humanitarian aid to Gaza.

[claudette]

1. That stupid stupid

murderer has done nothing to make the plight of Gazans better. He has in fact made it worse. How many innocent Gazans will Israel now kill as revenge? The cycle of violence goes on. Heaven help us

[Richard D]

31. "How many innocent Gazans will Israel now kill as revenge"

This is an abhorrent statement and is strongly antisemetic and based on the "blood libel" trope.
You assume, reflexively, that the evil Jews in Israel are revenge-motivated.

Please reconsider this statement, deeply. It is offensive.

[cabotnn22]

50. I swear they can't help themselves

Replace Israeli or Jews with any other ethnic group and the original poster would shit bricks...but hey, let's accuse Jews of blood libel.

That said, I've yet to see anyone who keeps chanting "free Palestine" denounce what Erdogan is doing in northern Syria. No one is sympathizing with the Kurds. I don't see a lot of sympathy for the Druze or the Christians that are being killed in Syria. I truly believe it is a case of "no Jews, no news."

[mcar]

63. I've yet to see them protesting

in front of the WH, like they did under Biden.

[yardwork]

52. It's certainly a window into the poster's mindset.

Some people do immediately think of revenge. I believe them when they tell me what they think.

Downthread another poster is trying to convince us that saying the victims worked for peace will cause more war. ???

Talk about Orwellian. But then, Orwell had a good handle on a certain mindset.

[claudette]

57. It was a question - not a statement

It is not anti-semitic. Many of my close family members are Jewish. I have no idea what a "blood libel" trope is. All I know is that Nuttyahoo is STILL seeking revenge on Gazans for October 7th. You cannot deny that. What that violent murderer did to those two innocent Israelis was disgusting and hurtful to any chance of peace in that region.

I won't reconsider my statement. It is not offensive to those who can face the reality of Nuttyahoo's goals.

[hatrack]

187. The blood libel goes back (IIRC) to the Middle Ages . . . .

The rumor was that Jews murdered babies as part of their religious practice (or mixed the blood with matzoh or whatever the fucking lie was) and therefore had to be destroyed.

This was particularly convenient for most of the people in Europe, particularly the nobility. Under most laws at the time, only Jews were allowed to lend money at interest. And at that time, money was always in short supply especially to knights and kings and such, but Jewish traders and bankers could draw on a continental network to finance this crusade or that castle.

This meant that if there were debts to Jewish lenders that the Duc du Merde and his entourage (and anybody else in the kingdom) couldn't pay, why not incite the locals, murder or expel the Jews, seize their property and (hey presto!) erase the debts.

[mcar]

62. I missed that part

Thank you for highlighting it.

[Celerity]

70. Israel's Netanyahu vows 'mighty vengeance' against Hamas

https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/israels-netanyahu-vows-mighty-vengeance-against-hamas-2023-10-07/

JERUSALEM, Oct 7 (Reuters) - Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu vowed "mighty vengeance" against Hamas after the Palestinian militant movement launched a surprise attack on Saturday, killing more than 150 Israelis and taking numerous captives.
In a brief video address, he said Hamas would be held responsible for the well-being of the captives and said Israel would settle the score with anyone who harmed them.

Who said spirituality and ethnic cleansing don't go together? Israel is full of spiritual types who view the annihilation of the other as a form of personal growth

https://www.haaretz.com/opinion/2025-05-18/ty-article-magazine/.premium/destroying-gaza-with-love-israels-new-yoginazis/00000196-d3c4-d048-a7d7-dbf6c43b0000

https://archive.ph/oourq





Rivka Lafair is a "facilitator of workshops, meet-ups and group sessions on yoga themes, teacher of feminine yoga and personal development." She lives in the settlement of Shiloh in the southern West Bank and terms herself a "proud Jew" who "thinks outside the box." Lovely. Also, she also wants to annihilate and expel two million human beings in the Gaza Strip. Lafair belongs to a stream within Israeli Judaism that can be described as "YogiNazis": people whose spiritualism underpins their Nazism.

They are a relatively new sub-stratum – albeit with deep roots in the local culture – that has gained popularity since October 7, largely because of its ability to weld together concepts that, on the surface, seem like polar opposites: spirituality and annihilation, empowerment and expulsion, yoga and starvation, retreats and carpet bombing. Lafair is a person who believes that "music has the power to alter our consciousness," but also that expelling and annihilating two million Gazans begins with "altering one's consciousness." In order to succeed in this important cognitive switch, we have to understand that "we have an enemy here – whom we look in the eyes and eliminate." Yes, look them in the eyes – don't do it behind their backs, because we must be in direct and unmediated contact with those we're annihilating.

Israeli incitement to genocide in Gaza goes mainstream

Not all Palestinians back Hamas depravity. Not all Israelis back Ben-Gvir's bloody revenge

And to make it clear that by "enemy" she doesn't mean only Hamas terrorists, she clarifies: "We are committed to take revenge and destroy Gaza. From infant to old woman." She tops it off with an appropriate Bible verse: "Thou shalt blot out the remembrance of Amalek from under heaven; thou shalt not forget." Lafair understands that people tend to be puzzled when facing this dissonance between spirituality and annihilation. So she in one of her videos, she has "a message to everyone who doesn't understand how it's possible to be spiritual, to teach yoga and hold retreats, whilst calling for the expulsion and annihilaSHon [sic] of your enemy."

snip

One day before Holocaust Remembrance Day, for example, standup comedian and satirist Gil Kopatz, who has been flirting with spirituality and religion for years, posted the following: "If you feed sharks, they eventually eat you. If you feed Gazans, they eventually eat you. I support making sharks extinct and exterminating Gazans. Reflections for Holocaust Remembrance Day 2025." After the post generated a "storm," Kopatz posted a clarification: "I don't have an ounce of compassion for the Gazans. For Arabs as a whole, yes, for human beings as a whole, yes, for sharks – no, and not for human beasts." Of course, his desire to eradicate millions of people doesn't imply he's a bad person. Indeed, "I consider myself to be a humane, liberal and moral person," he writes. To top it off, he ends the post with a bit of dark humor: "It's not genocide, it's pesticide, and its essential." A regular riot that one, eh?

snip



Israeli Heritage Minister: "Blow up & flatten everything [in Gaza] Simply a delight for the eyes.....

We need to talk about the day after.. We give out land plots to all those [soldiers] who have fought against Gaza over the years & to [settlers]"

Still questioning genocidal intent?

Source: Israel's Heritage Minister Amichai Eliyahu's FB page, openly calling for wiping out Gaza & giving it to soldiers & settlers

Link to tweet

related:


Israeli MP Galit Distal Atbaryan Says It Clearly for World to Hear: 'Erase All of Gaza From the Face of the Earth'

https://www.commondreams.org/news/israel-gaza-genocide


Galit Distel Atbaryan, a member of the Israeli Knesset for the ruling Likud Party, is seen holding an Israeli flag.

https://www.commondreams.org/news/israel-gaza-genocide

An Israeli lawmaker from the ruling right-wing Likud Party on Wednesday offered fresh evidence that the Israeli government's aim in its bombardment of Gaza is a genocidal effort to kill or forcibly remove the more than 2 million Palestinians living there, declaring, "Gaza should be erased." With the support of the United States and other Western countries, Israel has claimed since October 7—when Hamas launched a surprise attack on southern Israel, killing as many as 1,400 people and taking more than 200 hostage—that its bombardment of Gaza is necessary to destroy the armed group, even though the IDF has repeatedly struck civilian targets and killed nearly 9,000 Palestinians so far, including over 3,500 children.

After screening a 45-minute montage of footage taken by Hamas fighters' body cameras during the October 7 attack, Knesset member and former Public Diplomacy Minister Galit Distal Atbaryan posted on Facebook that Israeli officials must invest all their energy "in one thing: erasing all of Gaza from the face of the Earth.""That the brave monsters will fly to the southern fence and enter Egyptian territory," Atbaryan continued, an apparent reference to Israel's reported plan to permanently expel Palestinians who survive the assault to Egypt's Sinai Peninsula, imposing a "second Nakba" on the population. "Or let them die... Gaza needs to be wiped out." "Revengeful and vicious IDF is required here," she continued. "Anything less than that is immoral."

Atbaryan's post signified "genocidal intent, clearly expressed," said author and former Irish Times environmental editor Frank McDonald.

Link to tweet

Atbaryan is only the latest Israeli official to proudly announce to the world the violence the government plans to perpetrate in Gaza, both following the October 7 attack and long before the latest escalation in fighting in the region. Defense Minister Yoav Gallant called residents of Gaza, about half of whom are children, "human animals" as he ordered a "complete siege" on the enclave including a total blockade of food, fuel, and electricity. Former military officer Eliyahu Yossian said the IDF must enter Gaza "with the aim of revenge, zero morality, maximum corpses," and told Channel 14 in Israel on Monday that "there is no population in Gaza, there are 2.5 million terrorists."

Link to tweet

snip

Israeli President says there are no innocent citizens in the Gaza Strip

Link to tweet

[Richard D]

79. Nice Gish Gallop

I'm fairly sure I could find opposite statements as well.

[Celerity]

81. That is argument via ad hominem. It is not gish gallop, it is a receipt-filled, documented refutation of your claims. nt

[lapucelle]

158. Random, unsourced, unformatted screen shot are not a "refutation".

And pointing out that random, unsourced, unformatted screen shots do not comprise an argument is not an ad hominem attack.

[claudette]

181. Thank you for posting that

To deny the Israeli leader is out for revenge is denying reality.

[lapucelle]

105. Gish Gallop screenshot spam is somewhat less obnoxious when the spammer knows how to format photos.

And while formatted Gish Gallop spam is a bit less cringe, it never functions as an effective argument, even if anyone ever bothers to read it.

[yardwork]

135. It took forever to get to the bottom of on my phone.

I thought young people were good at social media.

[JohnSJ]

178. Yes, and so is trump, and the idiots who refused to vote for VP Harris.

[Irish_Dem]

2. Killed trying to feed starving babies.

[mcar]

4. Make it make sense

[Irish_Dem]

18. The world has gone crazy.

Good is bad, bad is good.

[brush]

38. It's tragic, attending an event to aid Gazans.

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Very sad. More things like this will happen.

Israel, dump the warmonger. How long can the elephant in the room be ignored?

[mcar]

87. You're blaming Israel for this? Really?

[MarineCombatEngineer]

89. Why, of course he is,

did you expect anything less?
No matter what, it's always Israels fault, even when it's not.

[mcar]

94. I'm so old, I remember when we decried blaming

all Muslims for 9/11, yet here we are. Holding all Jews responsible for the actions of the Israeli government, while at the same time, holding no Palestinians responsible for the rape, torture, and murder of innocents on 10/6.

[MarineCombatEngineer]

95. Up is down, down is up, black is white, white is black.

Crazy times we live in.

[mcar]

97. And playing right into Trump's tiny hands

and his little band of Nazis.

[EllieBC]

123. I remember that too.

You would have been flayed for not shouting Not All Muslims after 9/11. But yes all Jews when it comes to now. We have had people here defending harassing Jews in the US for no reason other than they’re Jewish.

[enid602]

186. I'm so old i remember ...

I’m so old i remember a time when people in the US felt so anguished and responsable for atrocities committed against Vietnamese that they protested and rioted for long periods of time. Of course, they protested to bring our troops back home, but they were clearly concerned about the Vietnamese. And people in the US normally don’t protest a lot.

[brush]

120. Is there comprehension problem? Read it again, I'm blaming...

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warmonger Netanyahu.

[Beastly Boy]

128. For killing two Jews in DC?

Yeah, I agree, there is a huge comprehension issue that is getting in the way of making sense.

[brush]

130. Come on, BB. You're not that naive. You know very well the horrific rise of openly antisemitic incidents...

are directly related to the killing, bombings and ethnic cleansing that's going on in Gaza.

[yardwork]

134. This gentile doesn't think that's true.

Based on my own observations and some knowledge of history, I think that horrific antisemitism has been around for a long time. It bubbles under the surface and then rises up again.

The events and murder in Charlottesville, for instance, after which the American president said "there were very fine people on both sides."

I don't agree with what Netanyahu is doing in Gaza, but for some reason that hasn't motivated me to kill Jews.

I didn't agree with what the U.S. - led by Christians - did in Iraq and Afghanistan (killing and torturing many more people than Israel had in its entire history) but for some reason I didn't assassinate anybody over it. Nor did I burn down Christian churches, throw red paint on Christian people's houses, or any of the other things that some self- proclaimed progressives think is a logical response to Israel's actions.

Nobody did. Nobody who protested the Iraq and Afghanistan invasions argued that murder and bigotry was an inevitable response to our atrocities.

[brush]

180. Keep fooling yourself if you want. It's ethnic cleansing.

And Netanyahu is doing it.

You souud sincere but naivete is not flattering.

[yardwork]

183. I think you might have responded to the wrong post.

[Beastly Boy]

142. Who is being naive?

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I see antisemitism in the US and other countries being transformed from right wing fringe to mainstream left wing trend. Palestinians are once again a tool in promoting this trend, not the cause.

It is the incendiary rhetoric like what I see in your post and totally ignoring radical Islamist militants and what they have done to Israel and Gaza that drives the trend, but once again, the trend started before Gaza. Antisemitism was already entrenched in the rhetoric of the extreme left, and Hamas deliberately started the war to exploit it. Their leaders said so, and kept bragging about it, considering it a tremendous victory. They bragged about "martyring" Gazans and wanting more of the same. The only grave error that Israel committed is, they took the bait, to the utter delight of Hamas and Iranian strategists. And it doesn't take a rocket surgeon to figure out that all the talk about apartheid, land grab and ethnic cleansing is a heap of BS: Israel returned two thirds of its territory, including Gaza, to Egypt and the Palestinians as a consequence of peace treaties (actually, Gaza was handed over to the Palestinians for nothing in return. In this respect, the only definitive ethnic cleansing that ever happened in Gaza was the forcible removal by Israel of Jewish settlers from its territory prior to Israel's withdrawal)

So we are swimming in the aforementioned heap of rhetorical BS not as a consequence of the war in Gaza. It was the incessant repetition and promotion of this BS in the social media prior to the war, aided in great measure by Russian and Iranian bot farms as well as committed antisemites on the right and the left alike (which goes to show you that antisemitism has nothing to do with ideology) that is directly related to the horrific rise in antisemitism.

And just to show you how faulty your argument is: if you are correct, why is it that the war in Gaza led to the horrific rise of openly antisemitic incidents and attacks on "Zionists" (which, given the horrific incidents you are referring to, we can no longer deny stands for "Jews" ), and didn't lead, as logic would demand, to showing solidarity with and support for the secular Israelis who regularly demonstrate against the Netanyahu regime on the streets of Tel Aviv?

The answer is self-evident: to an antisemite, there is no distinction between Jew, Zionist, Israeli and Netanyahu. And if you can't see this, it only goes to show you how normalized antisemitism has become.

[brush]

179. Keep fooling yourself if you want. It's ethnic cleansing.

[Beastly Boy]

182. I already did that. I looked up the working definition of ethnic cleansing.

And boy, was I surprised! You should try it some day. Something tells me you will be even more surprised than I was. Bitterly robbed of your illusions, but surprised nevertheless.

[brush]

184. Pls, your lack of empathy for the victims in Gaza is showing again.

You're too close, too aligned with Netanyahu's policies.

If you don't want to admit it's ethnic cleansing, let's just call it a new Nakba.

BB, come on, this was weak.

[Beastly Boy]

185. Not my utter disregard for the rule of law? Whew, I am relieved!

Well, none of us is perfect.

[Israeli]

131. yeah, absolutely, lets blame it on the Israeli Left

How much sense does that make ???????

Far-right ministers blame Yair Golan for shooting of Israeli embassy staffers

‘Yair, the blood of the embassy employees is on your hands and on those of your friends,’ tweets Amichay Eliyahu; President Herzog calls on public to ‘stop this ugly mudslinging’

Following the shooting, Israel’s far-right National Security Minister Itamar Ben Gvir and Heritage Minister Amichay Eliyahu, as well as Diaspora Affairs Minister Amichai Chikli and others, blamed Yair Golan, the chairman of the left-wing opposition The Democrats party, for the attack, arguing that his claim on Tuesday morning that Israel “kills babies as a hobby” had emboldened antisemites.

Source : https://www.timesofisrael.com/far-right-ministers-blame-yair-golan-for-shooting-of-israeli-embassy-staffers/

[Beastly Boy]

145. I have no shortge of targets for blame, but the Israeli Left is not one of them

I am not sure what your response has to do with the post you responded to.

I elaborated my position here: https://democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=20337897

Maybe this will be helpful.

On edit, a view from the perspective of an American Jew, which may not be as evident in Israel:
https://democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=20337353

[Israeli]

167. Its not about you and me

its all about this :

https://democraticunderground.com/1134143534

you never responded to my last post .........why ???

[Beastly Boy]

172. Sorry, I lost track of it - I had an unusual number of posts to respond to yesterday

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Of course Netanyahu will take full political advantage of his rival!

And that's goes directly to my point of Golan's remark harming the standing of the Democratic coalition in the next elections.
(On edit: it's already happening: https://www.jpost.com/israel-news/politics-and-diplomacy/article-855205)

I am also fearful that his remarks would be exploited in similar manner by the antisemites outside of Israel to harm Jews.

I am very sad and frustrated about Golan making this unforced error. It is the content of Golan's remarks, not Netanyahu taking advantage of them that informs me of their harmful consequences.

[Israeli]

190. To the extent of blaming us for the murders of two Israelis

"" Yeah, I agree, there is a huge comprehension issue that is getting in the way of making sense. ""

and you cant see why I responded to this...........

You want to believe the JP be my guest , they are one step under Arutz 7 as far as Im concerned .

Try here :

Poll: Golan gained more voters than he lost after ‘killing Gazan babies’ comments

The Democrats chief Yair Golan has gained slightly more potential voters than he has lost following his comments this week that the Israeli government is killing babies in Gaza as a “hobby,” according to a new poll aired this evening on Channel 12.

Just five percent of Israelis said they were planning to vote for Golan and have changed their minds due to his comments.

Seven percent of respondents said that they weren’t planning on voting for his left-wing party and now will do so as a result of his comments.

Source : https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/poll-golan-gained-more-voters-than-he-lost-after-killing-gazan-babies-comments/

If you are fearful that the truth harms anyone then we have nothing more to say .
I will return to the IP forum where I belong and continue posting the truth .

[Beastly Boy]

193. If you want me to get defensive, I will.

You are quoting me out of context, and as any other thing out of context a bewilderment smilie would be appropriate

But in context, I was responding to this post: "Is there comprehension problem? Read it again, I'm blaming...warmonger Netanyahu." which was made in response to an antisemite killing two random Jews.

My full response was: "For killing two Jews in DC? Yeah, I agree, there is a huge comprehension issue that is getting in the way of making sense."

I still don't see how Netanyahu can be blamed for killing Jews in DC. and I can only attribute this nonsense to comprehension problems.

As far as the ToI article referring to the latest poll, they didn't cite the source, nor did they give context to their report. I couldn't find any references to a Channel 12 poll that mentions Yair Golan. I am not sure where "Seven percent of respondents said that they weren’t planning on voting for his left-wing party and now will do so as a result of his comments" come from. It could be from Israelis to the left of Meretz or from the Arab coalitions, which would mean a commensurate reduction in the Israelis voting for those parties. I just don't have enough information to put it in context.

But a different poll was referenced in JPOst (yes, even JPost can be of some use at times), and there was a mention of who conducted their poll. It was Maariv. They don't have poll results in English, but I looked up the Hebrew version of the magazine online, and here is what I found: https://www.maariv.co.il/news/politics/article-1199115

As per Google Translate, the article headline states: ""The Hobby" and its Punishment: The Democrats Led by Yair Golan Lose Four Seats | "Maariv" Poll. According to the Maariv poll, the voters who distanced themselves from Golan's party due to his words remained in the bloc, and therefore there is no change in the political map: 48 seats for the coalition, 62 for the opposition, without the Arab parties."

It appears to me that there were voters who distanced themselves from Golan's remarks, but remained in his block DESPITE his words, not because of them, and that the coalition lost four seats overall.

And didn't you once say that Channel 12 is a right-wing outlet?

[JustAnotherGen]

5. JHFC

They were trying to do something to help people.

[CaliforniaPeggy]

6. The two murdered Israeli embassy employees were murdered . . .

while they were attending an event focused on Israeli Palestinian cooperation to bring humanitarian aid to Gaza.

They were not plotting some sort of revenge or anything horrifying at all.

Why were they murdered?

And by whom?

They were working for peace!

No-one should have had any problem with their intended purpose.

ESPECIALLY MEMBERS OF DU.

[mcar]

11. Thank you Peggy

[CaliforniaPeggy]

13. I had to say it, my dear mcar. If I hadn't, I would have exploded in anger. Got close to that anyhow.

You're very welcome!

[Richard D]

33. A great many of those slaughtered on Oct 7 . . .

. . . were also active peace workers.

[DENVERPOPS]

67. Yes thank you for posting this

Once again, Trump is enabling Netanyahu, they are bosom buddies.....

[LexVegas]

7. People on this board have referred to Hamas as freedom fighters. nt

[mcar]

12. And as Mandela-like

[ShazzieB]

36. But how many have referred to them that way?

You can find lots of viewpoints being expressed on this board that do not reflect the views of the majority.

I would strongly disagree if I saw such a view being expressed here myself, but we're not all required to agree on everything.

[Cha]

45. Yes.. I saw one yesterday and Disagreed Strongly!

And, that wasn't the only time.

[MarineCombatEngineer]

8. And to top it off,

in another thread, we actually had here on DU, a member that basically cheered the death of these to wonderful people saying that he didn't care that those 2 were murdered and basically said they deserved it for what's going on in Gaza.
Needless to say, that putrid post was removed and I personally put that person on full ignore.

On edit: I can now take that person off ignore as he's been shown the door.

[LexVegas]

9. That post was disgusting. nt

[OilemFirchen]

10. Also, BTW, compared them to Putin lackeys.

That yutz is fucking cross-eyed.

[yardwork]

15. That was a different poster, I think.

[OilemFirchen]

20. Ah...

Thought it was the same.

[yardwork]

22. Both are no longer members of DU. /nt

[OilemFirchen]

28. Damn shame.

Others will pick up the slack, I'm sure.

[yardwork]

30. They have indeed.

[mcar]

14. It's sickening

[AloeVera]

16. Really?

An event to bring humanitarian aid to Gaza? Do you have sources?

I thought it was a cultural event at the museum.

Before anyone jumps on me, I abhor this senseless, horrible violence agains this couple. Now more families are experiencing grief and loss and two people's lives are cut short. This is not the way to peace. It makes everything worse.

But I am a stickler for truth. And I would hate for this tragedy to be used to bring more suffering to anybody.

[mcar]

17. From WaPo:

Meanwhile, more details emerged Thursday about the young couple killed as they left an event for young professionals at the museum organized by the American Jewish Committee, a pro-Israel advocacy group that “confronts antisemitism.” Attendees heard from speakers who worked for organizations doing work on humanitarian crises in the Middle East and North Africa.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md-va/2025/05/22/israeli-embassy-staff-dc-shooting-capital-jewish-museum/

[Mossfern]

19. There's a pay wall

[yardwork]

21. Gift article:

https://wapo.st/44Ovmlp

Lots of information about the victims and some more details about the killer.

[mcar]

27. Thanks

[AloeVera]

24. Thank you for the link.

Interesting how that somehow became "an event focused on Israeli Palestinian cooperation to bring humanitarian aid to Gaza".

I wonder who the other speakers were? It was a pro-Israel group, after all.

The wapo article says the shooter appeared to have targeted the event, not the people.

[yardwork]

26. Your vague handwringing is noted.

[mcar]

29. Good heavens!

I gave you proof that it was an event geared toward peace and humanitarian aid. Why nitpick?

[yardwork]

32. Why indeed....

Seems as if some posters are very worried about the victims of this murder being thought of as good and decent people.

Doesn't fit the script.

[mcar]

34. That's about the size of it

I recognize the "concern."

[yardwork]

35. It's right there.

[AloeVera]

37. According to their website:

It was "an evening dedicated to fostering unity and celebrating Jewish heritage. Join us for heavy appetizers, cocktails, conversations, and a special guest speaker!"

https://www.ajc.org/events/washington

I am a stickler for truth.

[mcar]

39. Here's some truth from an eyewitness

"Free Palestine. Intifada revolution. There’s only one solution,'”

That's what the terrorist was screaming after he murdered 2 young people in cold blood.

You go ahead and be a "stickler" for truth. I'm going to mourn their loss.

[yardwork]

41. I'm at a loss as to why that is a problem.

What's wrong with attending an event dedicated to unity? Or is it the part about "celebrating Jewish culture" that has you upset?

[AloeVera]

44. Do you really not understand?

"Celebrating Jewish culture" is a great thing but a far cry from what this O/P says.

I do have a problem. It's not with Jewish culture or anything to do with Jews. My grandparents were Jewish and I loved them. Believe it or not. And I do feel pain for this young couple, not that you would ever believe anything but the worst about me.

My problem is my fear of how this will be exploited to finish off Palestinians. I will call out anything that might be used to do that, whether it's a WAPO article that is poorly fact-checked or anything else.

[yardwork]

51. What a bizarre post.

How would knowing the purpose of this event "be exploited to finish off Palestinians?"

According to your stated belief about Netanyahu, nothing more is needed to motivate him. We all saw Netanyahu meet with Trump and talk about turning Gaza into beachfront resorts. It's hard to imagine Netanyahu feeling any more motivated, as you yourself have posted many times. "He'll stop at nothing..." is the commonly held belief.

But you're all upset that the victims of an assassination might be perceived as kind and decent people? That, somehow, knowing that they spent their lives seeking peace will contribute to violence?

Why wouldn't the knowledge that these young people sought unity among the peoples of the Middle East contribute to... I don't know... unity and peace?

But somehow, in your mind, this is an evil thing?

And what is your evidence that this article is "poorly fact checked?" You just tossed that in to create doubt and uncertainty?

I'm truly at a loss. One word springs to mind: Orwellian.

https://wapo.st/44Ovmlp

[AloeVera]

74. Jeebus.

What is your problem?

It will be used to manufacture consent for more starvation, killing, theft of land, Libya exile etc. Because there is none presently but it is needed for Israrel to keep its impunity.

What do you think the IsraAid group was discussing? Peace and harmony unity with Palestinians? How to convince Netty to let in more aid? Ha!

No. Viewed through the prism of Trump's plan to privatize aid to keep Palestinians just on the verge of starvation and aid with ethnic cleansing, a plan Israel is fully on board with, any claim of that sort is absurd.

I am sure they were good people with firm beliefs. They worked for the Israeli Embassy and so were committed to working with the Trump Admin. to implement the Trump Plan and with Israel to carry its messaging. As shown by the young man's tweets supporting Netty and his government's claims and fabrications. Period.

I already explained what happened with the article.

For your "vague handwringing" comment and many other insults over a long time, you are now on ignore. Too bad I'll miss your posts when you realize what we've warned about is 100% true. Oh wait. We did warn that the intent was always making Gaza unlivable to "cleanse" it. Now that it's undeniable it was always the plan....crickets. So I won't miss much.

Some people will never let the wool fall from their eyes.

[MarineCombatEngineer]

76. ....

Some people will never let the wool fall from their eyes.

Ain't that the truth...(hint, hint.)

[AloeVera]

86. It sure is.

There are people who STILL believe this is STILL about Israel's security and the hostages. Or that that was all it was ever about.

I suppose the other possibility is they are fine with it all.

[MarineCombatEngineer]

88. And you've been doing your darndest to deflect or hijack the thread instead of staying on the OP's

topic.
That old saying goes: if you can't dazzle them with brilliance, then baffle them with bullshit.

Do try to stay on topic instead of trying to hijack the thread.

[TommyT139]

108. Looked to me

...like she was doing a close reading, which reflects that nowhere in the WaPo article did it say that the event was about getting aid to Gaza.

That's all. Nothing more or less. It's helpful to be accurate -- here if nowhere else.

NB: This is absolutely not support for genocide of anyone, antisemitism, random murders, etc etc etc, if that needs clarifying.

[yardwork]

144. That poster says that the WaPo article was "poorly fact checked."

Why bother doing a close read of an article you don't believe?

[TommyT139]

165. I also went to the sponsoring org sites

...and the orgs of the scheduled speakers.

It makes sense to me that employees of a diplomatic mission wouldn't be attending an event the main focus of which would be directly contrary to the current policies and activities if their government.

But none of us were there, so I remain convinced that the thread subject line was at the very least a charitable stretch.

Now on to more urgent matters. Have a good weekend.

[yardwork]

174. Do you much about diplomacy?

Diplomats are usually career public servants whose role is not necessarily aligned with a particular political view. Diplomats, by definition, are often tasked with finding solutions to conflicts.

[TommyT139]

176. Have a wonderful weekend.

I've sworn off sea lions, thanks.

[lapucelle]

189. Seems like there are a few folks here deeply invested in scoffing

at the idea that the victims murdered by the Jew-hater who bellowed "Free, free Palestine" were attending an event centered on alleviating the humanitarian crisis in Gaza.

A poster was so incensed by the idea that the murder victims may have been interested in helping Gazans that they went out of their way to to insist that this was a Jewish cultural event sponsored by a Jewish organization at a Jewish venue, and therefore had nothing to do with humanitarianism.

"I'm a stickler for the truth" they said.

------------------------------------------------------------------

Later when it became obvious that if this were purely a Jewish event, that would mean that the only motive for the terroristic, cold-blooded murder could be anti-Semitism, the same poster decided that

- The event was *Zionist*!
- The attendees were *Zionists*!
- A *Zionist agency* sponsored the event!
- The *Zionist state* had caused the Jew-hating murderer to lose his mind!

And all of this was done in an effort to mitigate and excuse the disgusting horror of a Jew-hating murderer emptying the bullets of his gun into the back of a wounded Jewish woman (attending an event centered on helping Gazans) who was trying to crawl away.

[yardwork]

191. Yes. I saw all that too.

[lapucelle]

192. It's so weird that the poster who insisted that it was a Jewish cultural event --

to cast doubt on whether the focus was on humanitarian aid to Gaza -- actually had the temerity to write

It was not a cultural event, remember?

when they realized that if this were a Jewish cultural event, then the only motive for the cold-blooded murders could be hatred of Jews. So it suddenly morphed into a "Zionist event" sponsored by a "Zionist agency" ostensibly because the cold-blooded murder of Zionists is acceptable. Imagine thinking folks here would fall for such an amateur attempt at gaslighting.

The poster excused the Jew-hating murderer with these words:

"The Zionist state drove him to lose his mind"

It's disgusting.

[lapucelle]

188. It looks like some folks didn't bother to do the homework before issuing dismissive pronouncements.

Statement on the killing of two Israeli Embassy workers in Washington
22 May, 2025

IsraAID is shocked by the killing of two Israeli embassy workers outside an AJC-hosted event in Washington D.C. where IsraAID colleagues were the keynote speakers. Our hearts are with their families and loved ones in the face of this senseless loss. May their memory be a blessing.

This event with our partners at the Multi Faith Alliance focused on bringing humanitarian aid to Gaza through Israeli-Palestinian and regional collaboration. We, and all the attendees, gathered in the interest of finding practical solutions to the humanitarian crisis in Gaza, and showing that working together is the only way forward for all the people in the region. The brutal and tragic irony that such an event – motivated by humanitarian principles – was targeted for more violence is heartbreaking. We unequivocally condemn this attack.

As both an independent Israel-based NGO and international humanitarian aid group, IsraAID has played a key role in bringing relevant actors to the table throughout the conflict – Israelis, Palestinians and INGOs – with the aim of averting a humanitarian catastrophe in Gaza. Alongside working hand-in-hand with Israeli communities attacked on October 7 to rebuild their lives, we have worked day-and-night with partners to facilitate and support bringing essential aid and medical support to crisis-affected people in Gaza.

IsraAID remains committed to the pursuit of a future where communities living through crisis have the strength, support, and opportunities they need to build a more resilient tomorrow – regardless of race, nationality, or creed.

https://www.israaid.org/media/statement-on-the-killing-of-two-israeli-embassy-workers-in-washington/

[58Sunliner]

102. Orwellian....

[Hekate]

75. Having read thru your posts at this thread, I can see that you are concerned. Very, very concerned.

I bet your concern keeps you up at nights.

[mcar]

65. I suggest you watch Nicole Wallace's 1st segment

today and here it directly from the AJC director. I hope that will meet your exacting standards.

[MarineCombatEngineer]

78. I can pretty much guarantee that it won't.

[mcar]

85. I know

I’m just sick about this, MCE.

[Beastly Boy]

73. You make it sound like charitable work and fostering unity and celebrating Jewish heritage are mutually exclusive.

Or is it the charitable work and heavy appetizers that are mutually exclusive?

[lapucelle]

109. So the truth is that the murderer was at a Jewish event to hunt Jews.

Not Zionists. Not Israelis. Jews.

A pro-Palestinian Jew-hater flew in from Chicago to hunt Jews at an event sponsored by Jews to celebrate Jewish culture.

The truth is not quite the flex that you thought it was.

But it is the truth.

[AloeVera]

114. Of course that's the obvious retort.

And therein lies the answer to Israel's 77-year impunity.

Direct result of creating an exclusive ethno-religious JEWISH state is that any action, or criticism against that state will bring accusations the harm was against the JEWISH people, arising out of hatred for them and not for actions of the Jewish the state.

As the pro-Pal movement says, the conflation of Zionism with Judaism and Jewishness is the problem that gives Israrl impunity np matter what it does. 9o

It works out very well for Israel.

I see from your post you employ the tactic very well too.

Palestinians have been trapped in that unwinnable conundrum for decades.

[lapucelle]

116. Yes, the truth is pretty obvious: the Jew-hating murderer who bellowed "Free, free Palestine"

flew into Washington to hunt Jews at an event sponsored by a Jewish group, held at a Jewish museum.

You were so eager to try to disprove that the event was in any way centered on a humanitarian mission that you did all the research for us, as self-described *sticklers for the truth* are wont to do.

[AloeVera]

122. The operative word is "Palestine". And "Gaza".

It would be awesome if pro-Israel agencies were interested in fostering "Israeli Palestinian cooperation to bring aid to Gaza". Oddly enough, the time for that is long past. Thanks to Trump and Netanyahu, aid will be delivered by "some sort of private "mercenary humanitarians" guarded by the ever-neutral IDF.

Perhaps the event looked at ways to make those two sociopathic clowns change their minds or something.

Right.

[Beastly Boy]

129. The word you chose was operative to a Jew hater who killed two random Jews.

And the opreation under which this word became operative is a Jew hater shouting it after killing two random Jews.

Apologies for repeating myself, but it seems to be necessary for clarifying the relevance of "Palestine" as the operative word in the unprovoked murder of two random Jews by a Jew hater.

[MarineCombatEngineer]

133. She really has outdid herself this time hasn't she.

[Mossfern]

126. Yet there are Muslim States

whose official religion is Islam.
You have no issue with that.

Why?

Sorry, this is off topic, but the reasoning just glared out at me.
Also very late - pardon the horrible grammar.

[mcar]

147. This is a great question,

to which I'm sure you will not get a response.

I also wonder why some believe all Jews, everywhere, bear responsibility for Netanyahu's actions. We all decried that same hateful sentiment toward Muslims after 9/11, didn't we?

[Mossfern]

148. Yup

Do you think that some people are in denial?

[mcar]

149. I think there's another reason for it

Reference all the long "analyses" of what is and isn't antisemitism.

[yardwork]

139. Maybe the "pro-Pal" movement should stop conflating Jewishness with Israel.

They're the ones who are doing it.

Every Jewish person I know in real life disagrees with Israel's approach to Gaza. At the same time, my friends are under constant threat just because they're Jewish.

They can't take their kids to Hebrew school because of constant bomb threats. Even though their synagogue has been protesting Israel's actions for decades!

[MarineCombatEngineer]

132. A stickler for truth?

[yardwork]

43. More from the article, including the name of the speaker.

Apparently you chose not to read the article, which is fine. Your questions are answered here:

At the event Wednesday night, diplomats and researchers from dozens of counties mingled during the cocktail hour, then heard a presentation on humanitarian aid.
“I discussed how as an Israeli organization, we play a role as an intermediary in Gaza and try to understand both sides while working according to humanitarian principals,” Goldstein said.

[AloeVera]

46. That's odd. Are we looking at the same article as in the o/p?

I could not find that paragraph.. I did a find and search too. Am I losing my mind?

Which article is that from?

On edit: to clarify the article was not in the o/p but provided im the thread

[yardwork]

47. That's the topic of this subthread.

Gift article. No paywall.

https://wapo.st/44Ovmlp

[AloeVera]

60. The article has been updated.

The one I was sent to via the o/p's link in the thread must have been an older version

[Nanjeanne]

58. Like you, I prefer researching to truly understand and make my thoughts about something so close to my

heritage, family and views. Since this organization is the antithesis of any group my Jewish activist family would be involved in, it’s not surprising I never heard of them. But it was interesting to find out about them.

Im not familiar with this organization that hosted the event. But here is their website: https://www.ajc.org/access]

WHO WE ARE
AJC is the global advocacy organization for the Jewish people.
American Jewish Committee (AJC) stands up for Israel’s right to exist in peace and security; confronts antisemitism, no matter the source; and upholds the democratic values that unite Jews and our allies.

In the wake of Hamas’ brutal October 7 attack—the worst massacre of Jews since the Holocaust—AJC has mobilized its unparalleled global network to tackle the unprecedented threats facing world Jewry.

From world capitals to college campuses, AJC works with leaders across society to support Israel and combat surging antisemitism, and we leverage strategic communications to educate, counter misinformation, and shape public opinion.

Looking through their website, their mission, their articles you can find out much more about them. The murder of these two young people is certainly a horrific tragedy that should never have happened. But the reporting about this group’s event and mission is certainly not to me accurate based on the organization’s stated goal. These two thing can both be true. And that’s all I’ll say about it here.

[AloeVera]

61. Thank you.

That was my point too. It's not easy to grasp I guess, it seems to cause a lot of outrage.

Thanks for taking the time to provide support!

[Nanjeanne]

64. It's easy to grasp. It's just that some people will twist into pretzels to ration out compassion for

innocent victims. I guess it helps them sleep better at night.

[yardwork]

84. Are you talking about compassion for the two victims of this murder?

Because compassion for them certainly does seem to be rationed - if not urgently blocked and rationalized away.

[Nanjeanne]

90. I am talking about compassion for all innocent victims including these two young victims.

I see here only compassion for these two. Other than the disgraceful post that was removed I don’t think anyone here on DU does not feel compassion for them. I would love to see that kind of compassion for others but I often am disappointed that doesn’t seem to be able to be separated out from political stands.

[MarineCombatEngineer]

92. Not only removed, but PPR'd also,

along with another DU'er who expressed pretty much the same sentiment.

[Mossfern]

99. You see compassion for these two

because the thread is about them.

It's like being at a funeral and someone says to the grieving family.
"John's mother died too". This issue is there are always "buts" in some
posters compassion.

The young couple had nothing to do with Israel's attacks in Gaza.
For heaven's sake they were finding ways to get more aid to the Palestinians.

I guess you just don't get it.

[Nanjeanne]

113. Yes and I think buts are not necessary. In this thread or in the threads about the Gazans dying.

Im not sure what you so disrespectfully say I don’t get. I abhore violence. I work with Israelis and Palestinian organizations when I am in Israel. I have for more than 15 years. I knew Vivian Silver and worked beside her in Israel annd in Canada. I still correspond with her son who has continued her peace mission. I’ve spent time with family members of people who were murdered on Oct 7. I have been in many meetings with hostage families. I’ve marched with my Israeli family for peace and against war many times before Oct 7 and the 3 times I’ve been back to Israel since.

I dont have all the answers or will ever think I do. But this sanctimonious crap you spew “I guess you just don’t get it” is pretty damn offensive to me.

But thank you for reminding me that discussing this on DU is a futile exercise in frustration and why I took such a long break. It’s too personal and close to me. Probably more than most on this board.

Im out.

[Israeli]

138. I hear you

"" But thank you for reminding me that discussing this on DU is a futile exercise in frustration and why I took such a long break. It’s too personal and close to me. Probably more than most on this board. ""

I knew Vivian , we met at kibbutz gezer
she never gave up
dont you give up

[Nanjeanne]

140. Bless you. She was a force. As is Women for Peace.

[mcar]

96. Always a "but"

[lapucelle]

110. Seems to me then that the murderer who shrieked "Free, free Palestine" is a Jew-hater

who flew in from Chicago to go to a Jewish event to hunt Jews.

Not Israelis. Not Zionists.

He went to the event to murder random Jews.

[lapucelle]

112. Did you research who the keynote speakers at the event were?

IsraAID

IsraAID is shocked by the killing of two Israeli embassy workers outside an AJC-hosted event in Washington D.C. where IsraAID colleagues were the keynote speakers. Our hearts are with their families and loved ones in the face of this senseless loss. May their memory be a blessing.

This event with our partners at the Multi Faith Alliance focused on bringing humanitarian aid to Gaza through Israeli-Palestinian and regional collaboration. We, and all the attendees, gathered in the interest of finding practical solutions to the humanitarian crisis in Gaza, and showing that working together is the only way forward for all the people in the region. The brutal and tragic irony that such an event – motivated by humanitarian principles – was targeted for more violence is heartbreaking. We unequivocally condemn this attack.

As both an independent Israel-based NGO and international humanitarian aid group, IsraAID has played a key role in bringing relevant actors to the table throughout the conflict – Israelis, Palestinians and INGOs – with the aim of averting a humanitarian catastrophe in Gaza.

Alongside working hand-in-hand with Israeli communities attacked on October 7 to rebuild their lives, we have worked day-and-night with partners to facilitate and support bringing essential aid and medical support to crisis-affected people in Gaza.

https://www.israaid.org/media/statement-on-the-killing-of-two-israeli-embassy-workers-in-washington/

[Nanjeanne]

115. Sorry I didn't respond immediately. Ive had you on ignore for such a long time and only saw this

because I cleaned up computer and had to re log in!

Anyway no I didn’t research it. I researched the organization because that’s what the post mentioned and what I was responding too.

Hope that helps. But so glad you did the research. Im sure it will be appreciated by others.

Me? Not in it for a debate. I’ve already expressed my disgust for murderers and my compassion for innocent victims.

Peace out…

[lapucelle]

117. So when someone logs out and then logs back in, they see responses from folks on their ignore list? N/T

[OilemFirchen]

121. That had me ROFLing.

Perhaps one of her Jew-friends gave her a heads-up? She has very many, you know.

[Nanjeanne]

137. Yes if you aren't signed in you can see everyone's response. Saw yours. Signed in and removed you from ignore

And responded. Surely you know that. Ignore list is tied to your account. If logged out you can see everyone. Even those you typically wouldn’t want to see. If you remove from ignore you can respond. Like I am now.

Then you can go back and put on ignore. Which comes in handy. Give it a try. Put me on ignore. Then when the bat signal goes out that I posted and you swarm in to respond you can take me off ignore and post your insights.

Don’t hurt yourself too much with laughing. You are too important to DU.

[lapucelle]

150. What I do know is that if someone is not logged in, there is no "My Posts" tab on the home page.

It's unclear how anyone would know someone had replied to them personally.

[Nanjeanne]

154. That is so true. Good for you. But you do know your own name and can recognize it when you read a thread

when logged out, right? Easy peasy. Really? Is this a thing or do you get paid by the word or posts to me? It’s not insidious or mysterious or complicated. I was logged out while reading a thread. Saw your response. Stupidly decided to respond so I logged in and took you off ignore and responded.

My mistake and I regret it. But stop trying to find something nefarious. Won’t happen again, I promise.

We good? Whew. Hope so.

[lapucelle]

161. Did you know there was a response to you via the "bat signal" you wrote about?

I never get a "bat signal".

[Nanjeanne]

162. God I love you. I'll never put you on ignore again. So entertaining!

[yardwork]

141. I log in every time and the one DUer I have on ignore stays on ignore.

Mercifully.

[Nanjeanne]

151. I think you are still not understanding. If you aren't logged in NOONE can be on ignore since ignore is tied

to your account. So prior to you actually logging in - as a “guest” you can see everyone. You don’t have to be logged in to read DU. Only to post. So when I clean my cache and am logged out of DU if I forget to log in, I can see everything. Even people I prefer not to see. Once you log in I have to remove someone from ignore list to respond. It’s really not complicated unless you want to infer something insidious and honestly that would be rather silly.

Not sure why this has become a “thing”. Easy peasy. Not signed in - there is no post hidden. Signed in ignore list is fixed.

[yardwork]

153. I wasn't responding to you.

[Nanjeanne]

156. Sorry! It's gotten so complicated I think I've landed in some alter universe.

[yardwork]

175. Well, it doesn't have to be that complicated.

Many DUers who are on record deploring Netanyahu's policies and actions managed to find it in themselves to say that the murder of these two young people is a terrible thing. Full stop. No equivocation.

[Nanjeanne]

177. My post about it getting complicated was about Ignore Lists, Signing Out, Seeing posts. It had

nothing to do with what you just inferred. Who’s equivocating? I certainly never did. Full Stop. No buts. Horrific unjustified murder. Every one of my posts said that. Are you implying otherwise?

Again I repeat — My post about confusion was about ignore lists and being signed in and out and what posts you can see.

[MarineCombatEngineer]

155. I just tried what you suggested, and you are correct,

as long as one isn't logged in, you can go to different threads and see responses from those on ignore.

[Nanjeanne]

157. Whew never thought it was going to turn I to a thing!

[MarineCombatEngineer]

159. LOL.

It does get crazy here at times.

[lapucelle]

152. And there is no "My Posts" tab if you're not logged.

How would someone know if they received a reply?

[MarineCombatEngineer]

160. If you're not logged in,

you can go to the different threads you've participated in and see replies from those you have on ignore, I tried it, and I could see a couple of replies from those few I have on ignore.

[lapucelle]

163. Yes I know. But the poster wrote about some sort of "bat signal" that goes out

when someone specific replies. Apparently the "bat signal" prompts folks to "swarm in" and respond.

I don't get bat signals, so I wouldn't know.

----------------------------------------

I guess it does make sense that someone not logged in would

- search to find the threads they responded in,
- scroll through the replies,
- find theirs,
- check to see who responded,
- log in,
- take someone off ignore,
- and then reply.

Yes, I suppose that that's the way most people who do not get bat signals would do it.

[MarineCombatEngineer]

164. Ah, ok, I misunderstood your post.

My apologies.

[Nanjeanne]

166. Uh reading the thread. You know your screen name Doncha?

[lapucelle]

169. Did a bat signal go out or did you take me off ignore? N/T

[Nanjeanne]

170. As I said I can't ignore you. You are so entertaining and make me laugh. We all need some of that!

[MarineCombatEngineer]

106. He targeted the 2 people who were attending the event,

quit trying to rationalize it by saying that the event was targeted, not the couple.

[AloeVera]

107. Quoting from wapo:

The suspect allegedly focused on the event but not on specific people before coming to the museum, according to a person familiar with the investigation who spoke on the condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to speak publicly.

Bolding mine.

I guess if you want to make this about anti-semitism you would say it was about the people. Netty is already doing exactly that.

No, this was not anti-semitism. What else do you think it might be about?

[lapucelle]

118. So the argument is that he focused on a Jewish event at a Jewish museum, but it wasn't anti-Semitic attack

because he wasn't targeting specific people?

[AloeVera]

124. He was targeting Zionism.

In his parlance.

Specifically, the genocidal actions of the "Zionist state" drove him to lose his mind.

It was not a cultural event, remember? And the sponsoring agency is "Zionist". And all the attendees too.

But you know all this, come on.

See you around.

[Mosby]

125. He was definitely targeting specific people.

From the police report:

Sarah was still alive and tried to crawl away after she was shot. The terrorist followed her and fired at her again, emptying his firearm at her.

And yet she was still alive and even managed to sit up as he reloaded his weapon. He finished reloading, and fired at her for the final time.

21 spent cartridge cases were found.

May he rot, and may the infested ideology factories that carry water for this madness face every consequence coming to them.

Link to tweet

[Beastly Boy]

127. Then he is the lousiest shot I've ever seen.

With such a huge target, not only did he choose a woefully inadequate weapon, he missed by a mile and only hit two Jews.

Amazingly for such a lousy shot, he killed both of them. It's as if he targeted them and not Zionism, and his weapon was purposely chosen to hit targets significantly smaller than Zionism.

[lapucelle]

168. Where did you read that the "Zionist state" made the Jew-hating murderer "lose his mind"?

What I *remember* is that it was you who pointed out that it was a Jewish cultural organization that sponsored a Jewish cultural event at the Jewish Museum.

What "Zionist agency" sponsored the event?

How do you know that everyone at the Jewish cultural event sponsored by a Jewish organization at the Jewish Museum were "Zionists"?

Is the claim now that all Jews are Zionists?

You've dug yourself into quite the hole here, apparently all in the attempt to scoff at the idea that the murder victims were at an event that centered humanitarianism for the people of Gaza.

Looks like the stickler got stuck.

[yardwork]

146. But according to you, that article was "poorly fact checked."

Why quote from an article you don't believe?

[Dorian Gray]

23. it's devastating

and the radicalization happening throughout our society is alarming.

people justifying this need to pound sand. Same with people justifying Luigi mangione murdering the united healthcare CEO.

This is NOT okay. I don't want to align with anybody who thinks it's okay.

[yardwork]

25. It's a pretty simple decision, really.

Most of us aren't struggling with it very much. Maybe I'm just a simplistic thinker.

[Mblaze]

40. Implying that the murders are justified

Sounds just like Netanyahu justifying his genocidal actions.

[mcar]

42. Funny how that works, isn't it?

[Cha]

48. So Heartbreaking, mcar. 💙

[mcar]

66. I'm so sad about it

and about the reaction to it by some.

[Cha]

69. Oy yeah... it's Unfathomable..

I'm grateful to see the reactions getting "told", though.

[MarineCombatEngineer]

71. And those that cheered it are being shown the door.

including a long time DU'er

[Cha]

72. YES! And, one not so

long.. but over stayed their welcome!

[Hekate]

77. Please share to my DU mail?

I may want to update my ignore list by those two people, but don’t want to “interfere with forum moderation”

[Cha]

80. Will Do.. gladly

share the Good news.

[Hekate]

82. 🥳

[tritsofme]

101. Could you share some of that good news here too? 😜

[Cha]

103. Yes, Forthwith!

[Bad Thoughts]

49. Aim: destroy opportunity for dialogue and cooperation

The Pro-Palestinian movement is not about peace. They call for Israel to cease fire, but they encourage Hamas, Hebollah, and Huti to escalate. They eliminate any and all nuanced positions, including those that support side by side coexistence.

[yardwork]

54. That does seem to be the purpose of this assassination.

It reminds me strongly of the Klan murdering the Black and white (and Jewish) activists who fought for freedom and equity.

For people who want authoritarianism, it's very dangerous to have different people teaming up on the same side.

Very dangerous to their goals.

[Bonx]

53. Reddit thinks the shooting was a false flag

and the shooter was a rube sent by Israel. Can't make this up :/

[Richard D]

55. Of course they do

[Bonx]

59. And a majority are indifferent or support the murders

Some easily found comments from I'm sure, very fine people:
"Good" "Oh noo,anyways.." "Wow, Israel should probably stop air-striking children."

[MarineCombatEngineer]

83. Not surprising in the least and there are those that will eat this up.

[senseandsensibility]

56. I saw one of the organizers of the event on MSNBC

with her husband and both she and he said that the purpose of the event was to work with members of other religious faiths to make sure that humanitarian aid reaches the people in Gaza.

[Solly Mack]

68. And just after the murders, people inside welcomed the killer without knowing he was the murderer and was concerned

for his well-being. Offering water and asking if he was in need of medical attention (asked if he had been injured).

In the middle of their shock and grief, and you just know they were scared - How could they not be? - they put all that aside to offer help to a fellow human being.

Instead of hiding, instead of cowering in fear, instead of shunning the stranger - they wanted to help him.

Hearing about that brought a lump to my throat. That lump you get when emotions come rushing in and want so desperately to be expressed but are so overwhelming it is impossible to do more than gasp.

In the midst of such brutality, love for the stranger was first.

Listening to the couple on the news speak about that moment broke my heart even as it gave me hope.

[mcar]

98. True humanitarians

Brought a lump to my throat too.

[Jit423]

91. They were trying to do good. That said, had Gazan aid never been stopped, they would be alive today or at least not

murdered the way they were. This kind of shit always happens to good, decent people. So sad.

[MarineCombatEngineer]

93. And if HAMAs had stayed on their side of the border,

then those 2 wonderful people would still be alive wouldn't you agree?

[mcar]

100. How hard can it be to just say this is tragic

without a “but?”

[lapucelle]

119. As hard as it is to say that the murderer was motivated by anti-Semitism. N/T

[madaboutharry]

104. The deaths of this couple is heartbreaking.

This thread is also heartbreaking…in its predictability.

[yardwork]

143. I see it two ways.

I see it as heartbreaking in its predictability, but I also see a lot of DUers - many of whom have deplored Israel's actions - speaking out against this murder without any "but..." qualifiers.

Strong, unequivocal statements. There's one in this thread that simply says "Murder bad. /nt"

I find that heartening. Yes, there's a lot of very ugly shit in the thread but as you say, that was predictable. I see some good things too.

[madaboutharry]

171. I always appreciate those with a half full glass view of things.

[yardwork]

173. Which I rarely have!

But I see it here.

[Iggo]

111. Murder bad. (n/t)