Philosophy

ZombieHorde

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15. You seem to be conflating three different things.

Thu Oct 9, 2014, 01:01 AM

Oct 2014

1. Objects, such as buildings and people.
2. Human behavior, such as violence and typing.
3. Social constructs, such as laws and countries.

Your rebuttal had examples of human on human violence. I agree the violence happened, but I disagree on the objective truth of the labels we place on the people who committed those violent acts. What method do we use to determine if a person is American, German, or something else? Paperwork? Paper is real, and ink is real. We can detect those objects, but what gives those objects meaning? The meaning comes from our minds. Identity comes from our minds. Public opinion comes from the public's mind. What method do you think we should use to detect which country a person belongs to?

Your rebuttal suggests my view isn't comforting to some people, but I don't see how that is relevant. I don't think the truth is always comforting to all people.

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Is it possible to exist outside ideology? [View all] Gravitycollapse Jun 2014 OP

I think ZombieHorde Jun 2014 #1

Chán Buddhism as developed by the Chinese is a practice delrem Jul 2014 #2

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There is no living outside Ideology. Pike Bishop Oct 2014 #4

how do you know that? noiretextatique Oct 2014 #5

Personal experience and scientific logic...a potent combination. Pike Bishop Oct 2014 #6

How do you define the word "ideology." ZombieHorde Oct 2014 #7

Definition. Pike Bishop Oct 2014 #8

That definition is based on imaginary things. ZombieHorde Oct 2014 #9

...and yet youre on the "Democratic" Underground site....;) Pike Bishop Oct 2014 #10

Anything that exists only within the imagination is strictly imaginary. ZombieHorde Oct 2014 #11

Government actions are much more real than Snape's Pike Bishop Oct 2014 #12

You seem to be conflating three different things. ZombieHorde Oct 2014 #15

I didn't conflate anything. Pike Bishop Oct 2014 #16

I agree human behavior relates to objects, ZombieHorde Oct 2014 #17

Yes, the Nazis were real. Pike Bishop Oct 2014 #18

Why aren't you answering my questions? ZombieHorde Oct 2014 #19

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Do you equate "objectively real" with "physically real"? delrem Nov 2014 #22

Lots of things going on in this post. ZombieHorde Nov 2014 #24

This is difficult to take seriously. delrem Nov 2014 #25

Apprehension is one aspect of the imagination. ZombieHorde Nov 2014 #26

No. delrem Nov 2014 #27

I did not say they were the same. ZombieHorde Nov 2014 #28

symbols are concrete. nt delrem Nov 2014 #29

Where do laws exist? nt ZombieHorde Nov 2014 #30

You mean like the laws of motion, of gravity, or like the laws of England? delrem Nov 2014 #31

I am talking about the laws of governments. ZombieHorde Nov 2014 #32

Thank you. delrem Nov 2014 #33

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everyone's personal experience is different noiretextatique Oct 2014 #13

Yes it is. Pike Bishop Oct 2014 #14

Why do you think a ch'an Buddhist should submit to your criterion of "scientific proof"? nt delrem Nov 2014 #23

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