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3. James Bradley wrote The China Mirage, about US delusions of a Christian China

Wed Apr 17, 2019, 03:38 PM

Apr 2019

The subtitle is The Hidden History of American Disaster in Asia. The T.V. Soong family, the "Christians" behind Chiang Kai Shek, bilked the US out of the equivalent of billions of dollars in tax and missionary contributions to support their corrupt regime.

The principal delusion they marketed to a gullible US public was that China was destined to be the world's largest Christian democracy and a matter of the most important concern to the US for that reason.

Henry Luce's Time Life media empire was the primary marketer of this Christian Chinese Democracy delusion. Luce's father was a missionary in China who indoctrinated his son in the Christian Chinese Mirage who in turn sold the image to America.

...facts didn't matter when it came to promoting Reverend Luce's unfulfilled dream. From the 1930s to the 1970s, Ai-ling, Mayling, and T.V. Soong hosted Luce at their mansions in Nanking, Shanghai, Chungking, Hong Kong, Taipei, Washington and New York, and the publisher dutifully took notes as they spun the mirage just as Father Charlie had.

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China is probably not a comfortable place to live [View all] MineralMan Apr 2019 OP

You have to remember... Act_of_Reparation Apr 2019 #1

That's interesting...and troubling, too. MineralMan Apr 2019 #2

That's why they accuse us of hypocrisy. Act_of_Reparation Apr 2019 #5

Sure. We see that all the time. MineralMan Apr 2019 #6

Well and... trotsky Apr 2019 #7

It does help when they say it so explicitly. Act_of_Reparation Apr 2019 #8

An interesting attempt at mind reading. guillaumeb Apr 2019 #10

To decry sexual abuse of children by Christian priests and pastors. MineralMan Apr 2019 #11

Rather telling why someone would think an epidemic of child rape needs a "counterpoint" Major Nikon Apr 2019 #29

It's the old, "But Bobby hit me first" ploy. MineralMan Apr 2019 #33

Then the old Soviet Union weaponized it, and it became whataboutism. trotsky Apr 2019 #34

Just one more in a long list of fallacies Major Nikon Apr 2019 #35

See #7 Act_of_Reparation Apr 2019 #31

You've admitted previously that we may impute intent based on patterns marylandblue Apr 2019 #45

So, when atheists here post about predator priests, what is their motivation? guillaumeb Apr 2019 #49

I impute that they want to discuss child abuse in a large, influential religious institution. marylandblue Apr 2019 #68

James Bradley wrote The China Mirage, about US delusions of a Christian China soryang Apr 2019 #3

Thank you for your insights. MineralMan Apr 2019 #4

So all of your posts about theists around the world should be ignored? guillaumeb Apr 2019 #9

Oh? What meme is that? trotsky Apr 2019 #12

It looks as if the RCC's epidemic of child rape has been reduced to a "meme" Major Nikon Apr 2019 #30

Not at all. My privilege gives me a voice I can use MineralMan Apr 2019 #13

You ignored my point. guillaumeb Apr 2019 #16

I ignore nothing. You made no point. MineralMan Apr 2019 #18

Hard to ignore hurt children when it happens in your local church marylandblue Apr 2019 #46

It is very hard to ignore repression and abuse in one's own country. MineralMan Apr 2019 #48

But easier when it happens to others? guillaumeb Apr 2019 #50

You're clearly not reading my posts for understanding. MineralMan Apr 2019 #52

Easy to ignore suffering from a position of privilege, is it not? guillaumeb Apr 2019 #53

.. MineralMan Apr 2019 #55

Always the best response. guillaumeb Apr 2019 #59

Read my entire post for meaning. MineralMan Apr 2019 #61

Reverting to established behavior. guillaumeb Apr 2019 #63

Yes, you are. MineralMan Apr 2019 #66

Possibly atheists in China ... Bretton Garcia Apr 2019 #14

I truly cannot speak about Chinese atheists. MineralMan Apr 2019 #15

Are you equating Islam with terrorism? guillaumeb Apr 2019 #17

No. The Chinese are. MineralMan Apr 2019 #19

Thank you, group spokesperson. guillaumeb Apr 2019 #20

I started this thread. I will address posts in it MineralMan Apr 2019 #22

Rep. Ilhan Omar usefully clarified this issue Bretton Garcia Apr 2019 #25

Onyl a very few of any demographic engages in terrorism. guillaumeb Apr 2019 #26

Making excuses for repression is a slippery slope. guillaumeb Apr 2019 #21

Are sexually abusive priests and pastors repressive? MineralMan Apr 2019 #23

What is the point of your original post? guillaumeb Apr 2019 #24

No, the same argument cannot be made about priestly predation in other countries marylandblue Apr 2019 #36

No, the argument fails. guillaumeb Apr 2019 #37

You are being disingenuous, unless you are calling for a boycott of Chinese products. marylandblue Apr 2019 #38

Is China different? guillaumeb Apr 2019 #39

It is in fact almost immune. We've never had any significant influence marylandblue Apr 2019 #40

Money is power. guillaumeb Apr 2019 #41

You are being disingenuous again. If you cared about children as much as you cared about straw dogs marylandblue Apr 2019 #42

Much judgment in evidence. guillaumeb Apr 2019 #43

I freely admit you have no proof I am judgemental marylandblue Apr 2019 #44

China is different than the Roman Catholic Church, yes. trotsky Apr 2019 #47

So the systematic repression of theists by the Chinese Government is NOT topical? guillaumeb Apr 2019 #51

What meme? State it, please. MineralMan Apr 2019 #54

Your comments about China, and your many suggestions that Chinese repression of theists guillaumeb Apr 2019 #58

Your whataboutism isn't exposing a thing other than your own dishonesty. trotsky Apr 2019 #62

A typical attempt at framing, using much straw. guillaumeb Apr 2019 #64

A non-response. I understand. trotsky Apr 2019 #65

My point was something you clearly missed. MineralMan Apr 2019 #71

There is an alternative explanation. guillaumeb Apr 2019 #72

There is an alternative explanation of faith, too. MineralMan Apr 2019 #73

Making excuses for religion is a slippery slope. Bretton Garcia Apr 2019 #27

Agreed. eom guillaumeb Apr 2019 #28

Good, then stop doing it. n/t trotsky Apr 2019 #32

Let me ask you this AlexSFCA Apr 2019 #56

There is a long way to go before Muslims have any real political power MineralMan Apr 2019 #60

Perhaps history is the best guide to what the West did to China still_one Apr 2019 #57

Ah...yes...the opium trade. MineralMan Apr 2019 #67

I know you are ethical MM, I just though a little historical background my add some perspective still_one Apr 2019 #69

I understand. I do know the history, or at least the outlines of it. MineralMan Apr 2019 #70