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qazplm135

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8. You've hit on it because it's a range
Thu Oct 18, 2018, 11:15 AM
Oct 2018

GOD: Omniscient. Omnipresent. Omnipotent. Creator of the universe. Ability to violate the laws of physics at will. Miracles. The whole shebang. Present before, present after, ruler of the afterlife. Burning bush. Yadda yadda yadda. As an agnostic, I find this version extremely unlikely.

God: An entity that is so powerful and so intelligent that it can do anything in the universe within the bounds of the laws of physics. A creature of the universe, but not necessarily a creator of it. Whatever an entity can be within the universe at the most powerful. Imagine a civilization that rose early on and has been progressing for say 8 billion years. At some point, they could reach a level of knowledge and power so vast that it becomes God-like to someone like us. I find this version unlikely, but theoretically possible. I tend to lean more towards the idea that it takes at least a second generation star to have the necessary building blocks for life and then it takes billions years more for that life to become a civilization, and thus we might be one of the first in the galaxy or even the universe and anyone ahead of us is "only" a few million years at most.

*god: A special case in my view where it turns out that the universe was created via a natural act in another or higher universe. See e.g. the theory that the universe is really a black hole in another universe that split off. If some highly intelligent, but otherwise mortal entity created that particular black hole that became our universe. Technically they created our universe. I rate this as somewhat unknowable, but possible.

Anything else. "A diffuse life force spread throughout the universe." Or the universe as a single living entity. None of those are really "God" definitionally to me.

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My definition of god... Act_of_Reparation Oct 2018 #1
FYI, I am an athiest agnostic. smirkymonkey Oct 2018 #3
It wasn't directed at you, specifically. Act_of_Reparation Oct 2018 #10
Any omnipotent OR omnipresent supernatural sentience. Foolacious Oct 2018 #2
I'm closer to the "omnipresent sentience"-- thucythucy Oct 2018 #5
That's why I'm unwilling to rule out God UNLESS... Foolacious Oct 2018 #16
Well, if such an object was either observed by at least some people thucythucy Oct 2018 #20
to me one kind of gets you pretty close to having the other qazplm135 Oct 2018 #9
I think this is still too narrow to handle polytheism. Pope George Ringo II Oct 2018 #17
I am clueless. nancy1942 Oct 2018 #4
It's difficult to get an answer to that question, even from religious people. MineralMan Oct 2018 #6
I just think it is something that is completely beyond the realm of human understanding. smirkymonkey Oct 2018 #12
Almost everything is greater than us. Truly. MineralMan Oct 2018 #14
God ghostsinthemachine Oct 2018 #7
I love that song. thucythucy Oct 2018 #22
You've hit on it because it's a range qazplm135 Oct 2018 #8
Lack of a coherent definition is one of the reasons to reject belief in god(s). trotsky Oct 2018 #11
Exactly! smirkymonkey Oct 2018 #13
If it was just "god vs. no god" I agree there wouldn't be a point. trotsky Oct 2018 #15
That's the thing... uriel1972 Oct 2018 #24
Neither do I, but for some it is a very specific "being" and for others it is an abstract concept smirkymonkey Oct 2018 #21
except qazplm135 Oct 2018 #41
I imagine that atheists don't agree that your theoretical gods meet your range of possibilities. marylandblue Oct 2018 #44
which was my point qazplm135 Oct 2018 #45
"Any god I've ever heard of." Iggo Oct 2018 #18
God is the thing that caused the laws of nature to be what they are. MarvinGardens Oct 2018 #19
Does it have intelligence? edhopper Oct 2018 #25
I tend to think it is intelligent. MarvinGardens Oct 2018 #27
So where did God in turn come from? Bretton Garcia Oct 2018 #33
It's a good question. MarvinGardens Oct 2018 #37
This message was self-deleted by its author MineralMan Oct 2018 #40
"God is the thing that caused the laws of nature to be what they are." trotsky Oct 2018 #35
Says me. MarvinGardens Oct 2018 #38
Really? Please show your evidence of that. MineralMan Oct 2018 #36
It's definitional, not requiring proof. MarvinGardens Oct 2018 #39
Lulzd. Voltaire2 Oct 2018 #23
A Republican will tell you God has their values. Doodley Oct 2018 #26
So will most religious Democrats. nt. Mariana Oct 2018 #43
God has many names. Croney Oct 2018 #28
Descartes proved with logic that God exists but the Catholic Church rejected it because logic and pr keithbvadu2 Oct 2018 #29
"Proved" Act_of_Reparation Oct 2018 #32
You cannot prove that such a Renee Descartes Voltaire2 Oct 2018 #34
I can concieve of a universe where I am right all the time. Act_of_Reparation Oct 2018 #42
Somebody who gibraltar72 Oct 2018 #30
I like to think of Jesus... Docreed2003 Oct 2018 #31
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