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41. Citibank Tower NYC - 1978
Mon Nov 3, 2014, 04:28 PM
Nov 2014

The Secret Retrofit



Uploaded on Jan 17, 2008

A useful counterpoint to the 9/11 Truth denier's oft-repeated claim that the World Trade Center's owners could not have installed explosives without being detected.

The video from Discovery's "Science Channel" summarizes the story of the Citicorp Center, which underwent major structural retrofits barely a year after its completion, when the architect, William LeMessurier, realized that a design flaw could lead to the building's collapse in a strong wind.

The truth only became known to the public nearly twenty years later, in a 1995 article that appeared in New Yorker magazine entitled "The Fifty-Nine-Story Crisis"...

"The weakest joint, he discovered, was at the building's thirtieth floor; if that one gave way, catastrophic failure of the whole structure would follow. Next, he took New York City weather records provided by Alan Davenport and calculated the probability of a storm severe enough to tear that joint apart. His figures told him that such an event had a statistical probability of occurring as often as once every sixteen years--what meteorologists call a sixteen-year storm.

"That was very low, awesomely low," LeMessurier said, his voice hushed as if the horror of discovery were still fresh.

On Tuesday morning, August 8th, the public-affairs department of Citibank, Citicorp's chief subsidiary, put out the long delayed press release. In language as bland as a loan officer's wardrobe, the three-paragraph document said unnamed "engineers who designed the building" had recommended that "certain of the connections in Citicorp Center's wind bracing system be strengthened through additional welding.'' The engineers, the press release added, "have assured us that there is no danger."

WELDERS started work almost immediately, their torches a dazzlement in the night sky."

Ask yourself, how many people know this story - even today - ten years after a magazine article was published about it?

It is obvious that the installation of cutter charges in the WTC Towers could easily have been accomplished with no public awareness of what was being planned - especially in view of eyewitness accounts of mysterious power outages and construction noise in the towers in the days and weeks before 9/11.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citigroup_Center#Engineering_crisis_of_1978

Because nothing happened as a result of the engineering gaffe, the danger was kept hidden from the public for almost 20 years. It was publicized in a lengthy article in The New Yorker in 1995

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Since Aluminum melts at 1200 degrees, what's the issue here? hack89 Oct 2014 #1
Al melts but doesn't glow bright orange when heated less than 1800 degrees F! wildbilln864 Oct 2014 #2
So molten steel is common at fires? hack89 Oct 2014 #3
" So molten steel is common at fires?" wildbilln864 Oct 2014 #4
So they slathered entire columns with thermite to melt them hack89 Oct 2014 #5
for your education: wildbilln864 Oct 2014 #6
You prove my point hack89 Oct 2014 #7
nonsense! wildbilln864 Oct 2014 #8
So what was heating the steel so long after the collapse? hack89 Oct 2014 #9
Thermite can burn for months gyroscope Nov 2014 #14
Steel beams will not act like fuel for thermate hack89 Nov 2014 #15
Huh? gyroscope Nov 2014 #16
What about super duper Theramateite??? zappaman Nov 2014 #17
Why would there be unburnt thermite in the rubble pile? hack89 Nov 2014 #18
Thermate is a hypothetical substance? gyroscope Nov 2014 #19
Your links undercut your argument of large amounts of unburnt thermate in the rubble pile hack89 Nov 2014 #20
"Unburned thermate" gyroscope Nov 2014 #21
You said there was unburnt thermite in the rubble pile, not Jones hack89 Nov 2014 #22
Nonsense gyroscope Nov 2014 #23
But the thermite would not have melted the steel beams hack89 Nov 2014 #24
Thermite cuts by melting gyroscope Nov 2014 #26
But it only melts a very small portion of the steel hack89 Nov 2014 #27
Doesn't matter if the thermate was expended gyroscope Nov 2014 #28
There was not enough molten steel to form pools hack89 Nov 2014 #29
Wrong again gyroscope Nov 2014 #32
They covered the vertical columns with tons of thermate and miles of det cord completely undetected? hack89 Nov 2014 #33
Det cord? lol gyroscope Nov 2014 #35
So you of course can show where large building demolitions are routinely done with wireless? hack89 Nov 2014 #37
Not going to address the tons of thermate? Don't blame you. hack89 Nov 2014 #38
Citibank Tower NYC - 1978 nationalize the fed Nov 2014 #41
"WELDERS started work almost immediately, their torches a dazzlement in the night sky." hack89 Nov 2014 #44
Well isn't this interesting nationalize the fed Nov 2014 #52
Except Stratsec was excused from the project in 1998 for non-performance hack89 Nov 2014 #55
Not according to CEO Barry McDaniel nationalize the fed Nov 2014 #57
Their financial report to the SEC says the project ended in 1998 hack89 Nov 2014 #58
Dozens of contracted maintenance crews gyroscope Nov 2014 #42
So how long did it take to smuggle in and install tons of thermate and wire it up? hack89 Nov 2014 #45
As long it takes gyroscope Nov 2014 #47
5 years in complete secrecy hack89 Nov 2014 #49
Bush took office January 2001 gyroscope Nov 2014 #50
Statsec was removed from the WTC project in 1998 for non-performance. Nt hack89 Nov 2014 #56
No link? gyroscope Nov 2014 #64
Their financial report to the SEC says the project ended in 1998 hack89 Nov 2014 #66
Do you agree the fires were hot enough to melt aluminum? nt hack89 Nov 2014 #25
But molten aluminum gyroscope Nov 2014 #30
How did it keep separate from all that molten steel? Wouldn't it mix? hack89 Nov 2014 #31
Gibberish gyroscope Nov 2014 #34
Lets start with "2,000 degrees that raged for a hundred days" hack89 Nov 2014 #36
Jesus Christ gyroscope Nov 2014 #40
So now the aluminum didn't cool it evaporated? hack89 Nov 2014 #43
Congrats, you live up to your name gyroscope Nov 2014 #46
So how do you distinguish the two hack89 Nov 2014 #48
Lord have mercy gyroscope Nov 2014 #51
You are the one that believes that steel beams burn like logs hack89 Nov 2014 #53
That's not what I said gyroscope Nov 2014 #62
But a very poor analogy hack89 Nov 2014 #65
Absurd gyroscope Nov 2014 #68
There was no molten pool to fall into hack89 Nov 2014 #69
What do you think happened to all the thermate after the collapse? gyroscope Nov 2014 #70
The thermate was gone in seconds hack89 Nov 2014 #73
Regardless gyroscope Nov 2014 #75
There was not enough molten steel to produce pools hack89 Nov 2014 #77
Wrong on all counts. nt gyroscope Nov 2014 #80
So cutting the columns would not collapse the building? hack89 Nov 2014 #81
That's not what I said gyroscope Nov 2014 #82
There were only forty or so core columns hack89 Nov 2014 #83
It's been explained several times gyroscope Nov 2014 #85
ok zappaman Nov 2014 #86
So if all the core columns are cut the WTC would not collapse? hack89 Nov 2014 #87
Do you agree that the WTC collapse obviously looked like CD? nt hack89 Nov 2014 #84
No doubt about that! gyroscope Nov 2014 #89
Which means the columns did not have to be melted, just cut. hack89 Nov 2014 #91
So why didn't they use high explosives? hack89 Nov 2014 #92
"emersed"? zappaman Nov 2014 #54
The spelling Nazi strikes again gyroscope Nov 2014 #63
says the guy who said zappaman Nov 2014 #67
The thread is mainly about the science of 9/11 gyroscope Nov 2014 #71
So why haven't you presented any science? zappaman Nov 2014 #72
Why haven't you? gyroscope Nov 2014 #74
Cuz I like to sit back and watch you get your ass handed to you. zappaman Nov 2014 #76
So the spelling Nazi gyroscope Nov 2014 #78
Uh huh zappaman Nov 2014 #79
Where'd you go to school? The Ebonics Academy? gyroscope Nov 2014 #88
Lol. zappaman Nov 2014 #90
"...at one point I think they were at 2800 degrees! " William Seger Oct 2014 #10
your link cites the temps five days later.... wildbilln864 Nov 2014 #11
That's the only series of aerial "hotspot" readings that were taken William Seger Nov 2014 #13
No melted steel on 911, 911 truth fails, and falls short of Creative Speculation standards superbeachnut Nov 2014 #12
FEMA: Limited Metallurgical Examination nationalize the fed Nov 2014 #39
Having posted a mechanism to melt steel after the collapse without thermite hack89 Nov 2014 #59
1000 C means no melted steel. You proved no melted steel on 911 - you are a debunker superbeachnut Nov 2014 #60
No melted steel found. superbeachnut Nov 2014 #61
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