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William Seger

(11,727 posts)
9. "We Know The Reality Of Building Mechanics?" We who?
Fri Sep 5, 2014, 03:31 AM
Sep 2014

Seems that Gage's "2200 architects and engineers" are having a tough time with that.

Grainger says the fires "would not have been hot enough to sufficiently soften the steel or damage the steel to result in a total collapse of the building." What does that have to do with NIST's expansion hypothesis? Grainger doesn't go beyond his straw-man argument to even attempt to explain what's wrong with that hypothesis; he just declares it impossible.

Grainger claims that "fires have burned longer in similar structures without any collapse." First, name one "similar structure" that sustained a 7-hour unfought fire. And since the NIST "probable cause" hypothesis depends completely on the exact details of the WTC7 structure, don't waste bandwidth with "kinda similar" structures. There are details in that structure that explain how the collapse of column 79 could lead to total collapse, and many of Grainger's colleagues seem to be quite capable of explaining it rather well, yet Grainger seems to be baffled by the very concept. But maybe Grainger just didn't have time in this video to present all the analysis he did to arrive at his flat declaration that it was "impossible," but he's working on a paper to submit to a technical journal? Dream on.

Grainger claims it "doesn't make sense" and "the logic tells you that if you have a single failure at some random point in a building, that the entire building is not going to collapse." What "logic" is that, please? (Hint: "argument from incredulity.&quot My logic tells me that the NIST hypothesis is perfectly plausible; why can't Grainger's logic tell me where I went wrong? At this point, my logic tells me that Grainger is a first-class bullshitter, but hey, maybe his technical paper will change my mind, huh.

Grainger says we need an "independent" investigation, completely free of any government influence. It's a damn shame, ain't it, that all of Richard Gage's half-million-a-year donations are devoted to raising more money and sending Gage to preach the gospel unto all the lands (well, the nicer ones anyway). Of course, Gage's approach to an "independent investigation" would probably be, "Sentence first -- verdict afterwards," but one might expect some minimal effort toward actually doing something about that petition he keeps asking people to sign. But it is a shame that all of Gage's "experts" are apparently too busy to do an independent investigation of the technical details in the well-established venues, which happens to be reputable technical journals and conferences, not YouTube videos. Or maybe they're just too shy to accept all the fame and fortune that would come from proving their extraordinary claims?


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Compelling - However, We Will Never Know The Truth cantbeserious Sep 2014 #1
we already know the truth. n/t wildbilln864 Sep 2014 #2
We Know The Reality Of Building Mechanics - We Don't Know The Truth Behind 9-11 cantbeserious Sep 2014 #3
"We Know The Reality Of Building Mechanics?" We who? William Seger Sep 2014 #9
Your Point Is Lost On Me cantbeserious Sep 2014 #10
Really? It's pretty simple William Seger Sep 2014 #11
what do you do for a living Seger? wildbilln864 Sep 2014 #12
I was recently promoted to Professional Senior Citizen William Seger Sep 2014 #16
lol, that's funny. wildbilln864 Sep 2014 #17
So you have no actual rebuttal? William Seger Sep 2014 #19
Ahh... biorhythms jberryhill Sep 2014 #20
My god! I went through a septuple critical period last week William Seger Sep 2014 #21
soyou think you know more tha strucural engineers with 30 to 40 years experience.... wildbilln864 Sep 2014 #22
Great rebuttal! zappaman Sep 2014 #23
a plethora of words... wildbilln864 Sep 2014 #24
I'm a frequent reader here, but first time poster ballabosh Nov 2014 #27
Doesn't matter what they allow or don't allow nationalize the fed Sep 2014 #4
Many Will Be Dead Well Before A Century Transpires - Won't Matter For Them cantbeserious Sep 2014 #6
sad but true. n/t wildbilln864 Dec 2014 #28
La, la, la, la. Alkene Sep 2014 #5
mmmmmmmm, k. n/t wildbilln864 Sep 2014 #8
13 years of lies and failure celebrated with recycled video of failed claims superbeachnut Sep 2014 #7
I've known Grainger is a member of AE911Truth for a while. AZCat Sep 2014 #13
thanks for your feedback. n/t wildbilln864 Sep 2014 #14
roflmaO archaic56 Sep 2014 #15
This message was self-deleted by its author wildbilln864 Nov 2014 #25
Scott Grainger, FPE - Failed Fire Protection Engineer mocks 911 victims with dumbed down opinions superbeachnut Sep 2014 #18
The terrorists had MAGIC FIRE gyroscope Nov 2014 #26
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