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NNadir

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31. You will often be driving a car powered by natural gas after exergy destruction.

Fri May 9, 2025, 09:49 AM

May 9

If one monitors the CAISO website as I often do, or simply opens the data pages of the California Energy Commission, one can learn about electricity in the State. My view is that it's unnecessarily ugly.

I lived in California for many years, and if I have an opinion of PSGE it is one of sympathy for operating in a very difficult culture.

People want to complain about the transmission line fires after making sure that more wires than required in a sane system are laced to link redundant and unreliable systems, the most egregious being solar and wind industrial parks carved out of virgin wilderness. I will not applaud chainsaws taken to Joshua Trees to build solar plants advertised as "green," for just one example.

Solar PV energy is not sustainable precisely because of its low energy to mass ratio, and surface area requirements. That trillion dollar fantasy has played out with the result that the planet is in flames.

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My gf wants me to spend $40k on an electric car [View all] paulkienitz May 8 OP

I think your gf is right on! CaliforniaPeggy May 8 #1

I just bought a 12 year old hybrid (Prius) Ms. Toad May 8 #2

☝️ CentralMass May 8 #4

I'm thinking $19000 17 years ago isn't that much less than $40000 now. paulkienitz May 8 #10

It's around $28,550 in today's dollars. n/t Ms. Toad May 8 #16

Inflation calculators always underestimate paulkienitz May 8 #20

Well, my income in 2008 Ms. Toad May 8 #25

Hard to comment, not knowing your financial situation, cashflow or if you own your own place. My wife and I share a Doodley May 8 #3

Listen to her! LittleGirl May 8 #5

They told us factory orders take three months currently. paulkienitz May 8 #14

it wasn't the rechargeable batteries was it? LittleGirl May 8 #17

It was the big battery that failed for her. paulkienitz May 8 #21

That's the first I've heard LittleGirl May 8 #27

If you're getting one, this seems to be the time to do it, before the tariffs kick in. Low price for an EV, good range, NBachers May 8 #6

We felt that way driving a Prius LittleGirl May 8 #18

That model has great reviews IronLionZion May 8 #7

Not many road trips in our lives nowadays paulkienitz May 8 #11

Isnt ford running employee pricing now? Figarosmom May 8 #8

Yeah we got that offer paulkienitz May 8 #12

Consider No Money Down Lease modrepub May 8 #9

Yeah, just signed up for that forum. paulkienitz May 8 #13

If your issue is which kind of car is least odious for climate... NNadir May 8 #15

I'm in California where the grid has plenty of solar, paulkienitz May 8 #22

I'm not a fan of California's grid, solar energy, and definitely not natural gas. NNadir May 8 #23

No. paulkienitz May 9 #29

You will often be driving a car powered by natural gas after exergy destruction. NNadir May 9 #31

Solar is no fantasy. paulkienitz May 9 #32

I'm with your best friend on this one. flvegan May 8 #19

we looked at used prices paulkienitz May 8 #24

cheaper to get a new GF. Groundhawg May 8 #26

GF, GT, what's the difference? NBachers May 8 #28

we bought it... paulkienitz May 9 #30

WE BOUGHT IT... FOR TWO DAYS. paulkienitz May 11 #33