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Wiz Imp

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46. Just because the numbers don't agree with your preconceived assumptions does not make them wrong.

Tue May 27, 2025, 09:12 PM

May 27

The numbers are not wrong. They definitely measure what they claim to measure. I think you misunderstand what they are measuring . (They are measuring the number of immigrants arrested by CBP)

https://www.reuters.com/fact-check/no-evidence-4000-people-are-killed-yearly-by-undocumented-immigrants-2024-09-27/

Despite the lack of official data, there is significant research demonstrating “unauthorized immigrants commit crimes at lower rates than the U.S. born,” Mittelstadt said.

Texas is the only state that logs immigration status in its arrest records, and several studies use data from the Texas Department of Public Safety to examine criminality among immigrants in the U.S. illegally.

Two studies found that undocumented immigrants in Texas commit homicide at significantly lower rates than their U.S.-born counterparts.

https://www.cato.org/policy-analysis/illegal-immigrant-murderers-texas-2013-2022

Figure 3 shows the homicide arrest rates for each subpopulation in the 2013–2022 period. In total, 729 illegal immigrants, 765 legal immigrants, and 14,710 native-born Americans were arrested for homicide in Texas. The homicide arrest rates over the entire period are 3.4 for every 100,000 illegal immigrants, 2.6 for legal immigrants, and 6.2 for native-born Americans. Illegal immigrants were 44.8 percent less likely than native-born Americans to be arrested for homicide. Legal immigrants were 57.6 percent less likely than native-born Americans to be convicted of homicide. The homicide-conviction-to-arrest ratio for illegal immigrants is 0.65 during the 10-year period analyzed here, meaning that about 65 percent of homicide arrests of illegal immigrants led to a conviction. The conviction-to-arrest ratios for legal immigrants and native-born Americans are 0.44 and 0.48, respectively, meaning that fewer arrests of legal immigrants and native-born Americans led to homicide convictions.

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Who are the dangerous criminals? [View all] Tootbsb May 27 OP

I can't verify those numbers. WarGamer May 27 #1

I just checked and she's spot on wolfie001 May 27 #2

SHE CLAIMED numbers WarGamer May 27 #10

They're still dead, though. Iggo May 27 #49

I literally verified the numbers before posting. Thanks. Tootbsb May 27 #4

29? WarGamer May 27 #12

Thank you! I trusted what the original poster you quoted was saying wolfie001 May 27 #13

Murder Rates Down North Coast Lawyer May 27 #3

That's always been the case with a Democratic President! wolfie001 May 27 #14

Crime rates usually go down when the economy is good and jobs are available Walleye May 27 #29

Because of Democratic Presidential policies wolfie001 May 27 #58

Yes. Absolutely correct. Walleye May 27 #59

Kudos! wolfie001 May 28 #61

FBI rates BeerBarrelPolka May 27 #5

How many are immigrants? That was the point. Tootbsb May 27 #6

Her point was singling out white men BeerBarrelPolka May 27 #8

Oh my wolfie001 May 27 #17

So BeerBarrelPolka May 27 #19

Her numbers pan out wolfie001 May 27 #21

I posted the real numbers BeerBarrelPolka May 27 #23

Yes Yes! wolfie001 May 27 #25

We should have a beer together BeerBarrelPolka May 27 #26

You're a good man! wolfie001 May 27 #27

Blast? BeerBarrelPolka May 27 #28

Not really aka-chmeee May 27 #33

No they don't BeerBarrelPolka May 27 #34

You really should include all of the indirect deaths caused by racist white male gun-humpers..... wolfie001 May 27 #54

Good. Iggo May 27 #50

Check your numbers again hardluck May 27 #39

TY. BeerBarrelPolka May 27 #40

How many Greg_In_SF May 27 #7

I don't know; when it is reported 24/7 breathlessly that immigrants are killing and committing crimes Tootbsb May 27 #11

CAN i SEE YOUR SOURCE FOR 29? WarGamer May 27 #15

Yes! BeerBarrelPolka May 27 #16

Here's are the sources hardluck May 27 #38

Yes BeerBarrelPolka May 27 #41

Agreed hardluck May 27 #44

Cool BeerBarrelPolka May 27 #45

This is being misread... WarGamer May 27 #48

There's someone down thread BeerBarrelPolka May 27 #51

I just read, Texas is the only State that keeps records of immigration status upon conviction. WarGamer May 27 #52

Ok thank you BeerBarrelPolka May 27 #53

I didn't think DU had such sensitive males lurking about wolfie001 May 27 #18

So you're insulting me? BeerBarrelPolka May 27 #20

This message was self-deleted by its author wolfie001 May 27 #22

Oh sorry Polka wolfie001 May 27 #24

Being a Browns fan BeerBarrelPolka May 27 #32

The first squad ended up as the Ravens wolfie001 May 27 #55

Yeah BeerBarrelPolka May 27 #57

Sort of like the number of trans athletes that are competing in girls sports. Blown way out of whack. Walleye May 27 #30

Jess Piper Just Jerome May 27 #9

Jess Piper is one of my favorites on Substack .. Bo Zarts May 27 #31

Here's where the 29 number came from. It's legit. Wiz Imp May 27 #35

I have to BeerBarrelPolka May 27 #37

The numbers come directly from CBP - the people responsible for immigration and Border control Wiz Imp May 27 #42

I get that BeerBarrelPolka May 27 #43

Just because the numbers don't agree with your preconceived assumptions does not make them wrong. Wiz Imp May 27 #46

Correct! It has no bearing to FBI stats however BeerBarrelPolka May 27 #47

that link shows the 29 number was nonsense... WarGamer May 27 #60

Time for an executive order to halt that kind of data collection maspaha May 27 #36

I just want to make sure you guys are reading it right. Iggo May 27 #56