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RobinA

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150. I Took A Course

Fri May 23, 2025, 12:51 PM

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way back on the Middle East. It was taught by a rather bitter and very knowledgeable Jewish man who was specifically NOT a Zionist. This man had rather a lot to say about Jews who weren't Zionists being accused of being anti-Semitic and the negative effects on their lives if they were involved at all in the greater Jewish community. This was all news to me.

My whole point is that I don't think what you are complaining about is partcularly new, even though it is rather prevalent now, and not just among Jews. Name calling and labelmaking are having something of a revival at this point. I think a lot of mud-slinging that used to remain in-house as now gotten loose in the wider world and is growing in meaning beyond what was originally intended.

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The DC assassin is not a religious nutcase. Not a maladjusted outcast. Not a low-down vigilante. [View all] Beastly Boy May 22 OP

Thank you. Unfortunately this is a warning that will fall on deaf ears for many. tritsofme May 22 #1

I am sure it will. Beastly Boy May 22 #2

That is a lot of sworn enemies Bmoboy May 22 #3

You bet. The alternative is to fall to my sworn enemies without a fight. Beastly Boy May 22 #5

The support for this terrorist here sickens me mcar May 22 #4

There's support for these murders? peggysue2 May 22 #24

Im sure some will consider him Mountainguy May 22 #26

That suggests a global war against Americans. yardwork May 22 #39

It's not just our own country Beastly Boy May 22 #45

Yet the outrage remains laser-focused on just one country. yardwork May 22 #46

Yep. Gee, why could that be? mcar May 22 #57

Message auto-removed Name removed Friday #156

Israel is not terrorizing the Global South. yardwork Friday #157

I hope that's not the case, Mountainguy but . . . peggysue2 May 22 #43

Good point, re Mangione mcar May 22 #56

There were, and notice I said were, a couple here who cheered the murder of these 2 wonderful people, MarineCombatEngineer May 22 #102

Yes but PCIntern Friday #149

tsf planning a seaside resort on that land is pouring gasoline on this volatile situation. rubbersole May 22 #6

Likewise, none of it is relevant to my post. Beastly Boy May 22 #7

Can you supply evidence that his actions come from anti-Jewish prejudice rather than opposition to Bibi TheRickles May 22 #8

He murdered two people in cold blood and didn't show any remorse Quiet Em May 22 #9

He chose to terrorize and murder Jews at a Jewish museum Arazi May 22 #10

Do I deserve to be gunned down? I am a U.S. citizen. yardwork May 22 #11

He's a cold-blooded murderer, and that action can't be condoned. TheRickles May 22 #14

My question stands. yardwork May 22 #18

I doubt the shooter knew Mossfern May 22 #19

He didn't ask his victims where they worked or if they were Jewish. It didn't matter to him. Beastly Boy May 22 #21

He waited outside of a Jewish museum. Quiet Em May 22 #22

Some folks just refuse to believe that anti-Semitism and Jew hatred exists. Even when they murder Jews in cold blood tritsofme May 22 #25

Yeah I posted this in another thread, the words "Pogrom" "Ghetto" & "Holocaust" all predate modern Israel nt EX500rider Friday #159

This was posted in the Jewish Group: sheshe2 May 22 #72

There it is. yardwork May 22 #80

She was working for peace mcar May 22 #97

Yes. He killed two American Jews and not Bibi. Beastly Boy May 22 #20

Are you fucking seriously asking that? Do you hear Maru Kitteh May 22 #50

It's mind boggling, Maru mcar May 22 #61

Wow, this is a shocking question DaBronx May 22 #113

He went to a Jewish museum in the US and shot 2 people JI7 May 22 #129

'normalization of antisemitism under the banner of "free Palestine" elleng May 22 #12

If you recognize antisemitism and don't engage in it under the banner of "free Palestine", Beastly Boy May 22 #48

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion..." Towlie May 22 #13

One can object to acts committed by the state of Israel without being antisemitic. elleng May 22 #15

Yes, one can object to acts committed by the state of Israel without being antisemitic. One can also Beastly Boy May 22 #60

True! Now you're starting to understand the flaw in your opening post. Towlie May 22 #92

Forgive my ignorance, but I don't. Could you give me a hint? Beastly Boy May 22 #93

You conceded that "one can object to acts committed by the state of Israel without being antisemitic." Towlie May 22 #96

That's exactly the kind of logic I refuted Beastly Boy May 22 #106

Murder Cirsium Friday #154

Let me count the red herrings Beastly Boy May 22 #55

And as they try to throw all these red herrings, mcar May 22 #64

This makes no sense on any level. yardwork May 22 #99

Speaking as one who draws a clear distinction between Judaism and Israel.... cab67 May 22 #16

It's not that difficult. yardwork May 22 #36

I think it's also important to note that the event being held at the Jewish Museum... AntiFascist May 22 #53

One might conclude that the killer didn't want a peaceful solution. yardwork May 22 #67

It's tough, but that's not what i am talking about Beastly Boy May 22 #63

I understand that. cab67 May 22 #69

I will have to see the ways you criticize Netatanyahu to respond to you with any kind of objectivity Beastly Boy May 22 #87

Gosh, I criticize Netanyahu a lot and I'm never called antisemitic. yardwork May 22 #107

I stopped posting about it a while ago. cab67 May 22 #131

I'm sorry that happened to you. yardwork May 22 #135

Not from another country IronLionZion May 22 #17

It looks like to me Andy Canuck May 22 #23

Yep. I don't condone killing but I can understand people acting out in response to what is happening to Gaza LymphocyteLover May 22 #27

Do I deserve to be gunned down? yardwork May 22 #32

You don't deserve it, of course not LymphocyteLover May 22 #34

So if I am gunned down you will understand the killer's motivations? yardwork May 22 #37

Understanding why someone takes a particular course of action is very different than condoning it. Very different. TheRickles May 22 #49

The word "understandable" implies agreement. yardwork May 22 #52

Not to me it doesn't. If we can understand what are the motivations behind horrible actions like this, TheRickles May 22 #114

My mistake. yardwork May 22 #115

I appreciate your acknowledgement of this. TheRickles May 22 #118

understanding motivations is different from understanding in a forgiving way. I meant the former. LymphocyteLover May 22 #127

How is this terrorist attack, mcar May 22 #100

If We Can't Understand It RobinA Friday #147

I've always tried to understand JustAnotherGen Friday #152

So it's OK to murder random people outside a Jewish museum? mcar May 22 #68

did I say it was OK? LymphocyteLover May 22 #128

Acting out on Jewish people in the US Mossfern May 22 #79

i can't understand anyone wanting to murder two innocent people cabotnn22 May 22 #94

How would the killer know they were Israeli government employees? yardwork May 22 #29

Excellent post malaise May 22 #31

You've also said Jews - not Israelis, but Jews globally - have "collective guilt" Sympthsical May 22 #65

The silence re atrocities against the Palestinian people malaise May 22 #70

The idea of collective guilt of any race is literally Nazism Sympthsical May 22 #83

What is collective punishment? n/t malaise May 22 #95

After 9/11, we criticized people on the right mcar May 22 #104

In the context of this thread, I was hoping to hear that you are against antisemitism. Beastly Boy May 22 #78

me too Mossfern May 22 #85

In th context of 58,000 dead Palestinians malaise May 22 #86

This is not the context of this thread. Beastly Boy May 22 #89

How is that a different context? lees1975 May 22 #103

The context of this thead has to do with normalizing antisemitism in the US and how the DC assassination plays into it. Beastly Boy May 22 #112

It doesn't divert. What's happening in Gaza is why those people were there in the first place. lees1975 May 22 #134

That's not the topic of the thread. Mossfern May 22 #136

Excuse me, but what part of not the topic of this thread don't you understand? MarineCombatEngineer Friday #141

2 young people, working for peace, were murdered in cold blood mcar May 22 #108

I've rarely found explicit supporters of anti-Semitism who condemn anti-Semitic violence or acts of Jew hatred tritsofme May 22 #98

Are you against Mossfern May 22 #84

I hate all the deaths malaise May 22 #88

Very appropriate response Mossfern May 22 #90

I noticed that that member just can't bring themselves to definitively condemn the murder of these 2 wonderful people, MarineCombatEngineer Friday #142

So not one word about the heinous murders, yes, murders, of 2 innocent civilians by a "freedom fighter" MarineCombatEngineer May 22 #111

He stalked them? Bad Thoughts May 22 #40

He waited outside the Jewish museum and fired into the crowd as they left. yardwork May 22 #47

That was not the other poster's claim Bad Thoughts May 22 #124

WaPo article gives more details. yardwork May 22 #125

He murdered 2 young people in cold blood outside a Jewish museum mcar May 22 #66

See, That Attitude RobinA Friday #146

The most generous benefit of doubt I can possibly give him Beastly Boy May 22 #73

How do you know that he knew that these two particular people Mossfern May 22 #76

Excellent analysis and conclusion. Oopsie Daisy May 22 #28

"Antisemitism" has been normalized because the word itself has been made meaningless. DetlefK May 22 #30

You were told for your earlier post about these murders. yardwork May 22 #33

Post removed Post removed May 22 #54

Take a break from DU and look in your heart. yardwork May 22 #62

Oh, he's taking a break from DU, MarineCombatEngineer May 22 #117

🤣😂🤣😂🥳🎉 Oopsie Daisy May 22 #126

You just don't know when to stop, do you? OilemFirchen May 22 #71

Thank you. MarineCombatEngineer May 22 #120

yw OilemFirchen May 22 #122

Yep, MarineCombatEngineer May 22 #123

Whew! I guess so he was Cha May 22 #130

This person posted earlier: "Honestly? I don't care that they died." tritsofme May 22 #35

Flat earthers still refers to someone who believes the world is flat. Torchlight May 22 #41

What a load of bullshit. OilemFirchen May 22 #59

Is anything I said incorrect? DetlefK May 22 #75

I have no idea what YOU have been told. OilemFirchen May 22 #81

Well, bye. MarineCombatEngineer May 22 #121

No it is NOT "maningless, Detlet. Cha May 22 #132

I Took A Course RobinA Friday #150

One side conflates support for the Palestinians with terrorism and antisemitism, this this misguided man just.... FadedMullet May 22 #38

Some support for Palestinians IS terrorism and antisemitism. yardwork May 22 #42

There's nothing to conflate. It's what happened. It's who these people are. tritsofme May 22 #44

Yardwork's post above uses the term "some support" and therefore avoids lumping everyone who supports..... FadedMullet May 22 #51

Thanks for acknowledging my care to use "some." yardwork May 22 #58

The people who conflate the support for Palestinians with terrorism Dorian Gray May 22 #119

Disagree RobinA Friday #151

I'm sorry you were raised to be suspicious of palestinians Dorian Gray Friday #158

I agree, I wish the residents of Gaza would show a united front against Hamas, I have issue Shellback Squid May 22 #74

When residents of Gaza speak against Hamas they get murdered. yardwork May 22 #77

Here you go Nanjeanne May 22 #82

Thank you! cabotnn22 May 22 #91

Actually, "low-down vigilante" describes him pretty well, I think. WillowTree May 22 #101

Unlike Mangioni's alleged victim, these 2 had no hand in bibi's genocide! SheltieLover May 22 #105

sorry, did I miss the trial where Mangioni's victim was proved to be death case worthy? Skittles May 22 #110

he is a nutcase like Luigi Skittles May 22 #109

100% agree with you Dorian Gray May 22 #116

He's identical to LUIGI. WarGamer May 22 #133

You Don't Consider RobinA Friday #153

Edgy. BannonsLiver Friday #161

The antisemitism is out of control Mosby May 22 #137

"Responding to Tragedy with Reason, Not Generalization" noor May 22 #138

Welcome to DU. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz May 22 #139

As a Jew, I've been the paint on the proverbial broad brush all my life. Beastly Boy May 22 #140

I feel the same way .... Mossfern Friday #143

It's even worse in Europe. Beastly Boy Friday #145

I'm so sorry mossfern JustAnotherGen Friday #160

Very good post, welcome to DU. marble falls Friday #144

Welcome to DU LetMyPeopleVote Friday #155

I regard "maladjusted" as an appropriate description of anyone who kills in order to make a point struggle4progress Friday #148