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JHB

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58. This isn't just Trump. This is the endgame of a 50-year effort to force a fundamental change on the nation.
Thu May 22, 2025, 04:33 PM
May 22

The ball for this got rolling in the 70s. Trump wasn't part of it then. Neither was Putin. This was the "see commies under every rock" Movement Conservatives/RWers deciding the were going to wrest control of the country away from the Democrats and restore what was in their eyes the pinnacle of American civilization, the Gilded Age of the late 19th century. Before income taxes, before popular election of senators, and certainly before all those rights for the riff-raff. When the right sort of people had a firm grip on things.

They used focus groups to identify hot-button issues that could get people single-issue voting and made the Republicans the champions of those issues. They funded "think" tanks, college campus groups to direct like-minded young people their way, and their own media to catapult their propaganda. They worked the resentment and bile beat and ratcheted it up every year to polarize and radicalize Republican voters. As the Democrats moved away from the entrenched racism of segregationist days, the Republicans set up recruiting tables to scoop up those "former" Klan members and supporters.

By the 80s they had Reagan and launched the "greed is good" society. They began a campaign of putting only justists they saw as "conservatively correct" on the courts. They politically exterminated the Rockefeller Republicans, paving the way to begin attacking the Democrats in earnest. Bill Clinton was their worst nightmare: a centrist Democrat who was pro-business, ok with the death penalty, accepted the basic structure of Reganomics (tweaking it, yes, reversing it, no) and declaring that the days of Big Government were over. To the RWers, this was a threat because there were still moderate Republicans around, and if they decided "eh, we can work with this guy," the dream of destroying the last remnants of the New Deal would be out of their reach. He HAD to be treated as an enemy, and since he didn't fit the sterotypes of previous Democratic politicians, they just made shit up and had Rush Limbaugh and the rest of hate radio blast it on the airwaves for hours on end, every single day, all over the country.

It's been a steady process of taking over the GOP, trashing restrictions on funding, turning media into a one-sided megaphone, and turning the Party of Abe into the Party of Ahab. All with the goal of forcing through a wish-list that was eventually written down as Project 2025. The Russians weren't commies anymore, and their view of the way things ought to be overlapped a lot with Putin's. And with Trump, they had a vehicle they could use to ram though what they wanted.

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I saw the Democracy cracking before Trump came along Johnny2X2X May 22 #1
We had plenty of warning NJCher May 22 #13
Some of us here DENVERPOPS May 22 #64
EVERY GOP Presidency since 1968 began with treason Bluetus May 22 #69
Exactly Bluetus DENVERPOPS May 22 #70
Actually, markodochartaigh May 22 #72
Correct. My mistake. Bluetus May 23 #85
It's the 'winning' part isn't. Biophilic May 22 #15
Yeah, trump is just the culmination of decades of RW attacks on democracy... Wounded Bear May 22 #21
Presidential immunity dates to Nixon & the 1973 OLC memo. CaptainTruth May 22 #41
Back to Nixon and Roy Cohn and Roger Stone. Yes. soldierant May 22 #68
No Goodwill Haru May 22 #40
Selection 2000 WiVoter May 22 #53
me too pfitz59 May 22 #56
Post removed Post removed May 22 #65
Started with Nixon, then Reagan. They can't win without cheating. brush May 23 #76
how in Gods name did it unravel so easily samnsara May 22 #2
Two words: lastlib May 22 #11
Two more words Mysterian May 22 #20
Yeah, I can see that. lastlib May 22 #43
Letting Nixon get away with a pardon deal Mr.WeRP May 22 #38
two more: Fox News LymphocyteLover May 22 #63
two more words proud patriot May 23 #82
And let's not forget 30 years of non-stop subversive propaganda brainwashing on radio, TV and then internet hadEnuf May 22 #27
How did people not notice? Cirsium May 22 #46
Social media algorithmic manipulation, now hyper powered by AI. It's the annihilation of truth. Celerity May 22 #74
I would argue that civilization itself is fragile EYESORE 9001 May 22 #3
Bingo misanthrope May 22 #75
No more contempt charges. underpants May 22 #4
It isnt just Trump, it is the RW media appartus Johonny May 22 #5
And the willfully stupid portion of our populace Mysterian May 22 #19
"The price of liberty is eternal vigilance". Too many people sleep-walking through life. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz May 22 #6
Years Ago Mr.Bee May 22 #7
That it was. I never though it would be this easy to destroy the country. Autumn May 22 #8
He couldn't have done it without a corrupt Supreme Court and House majority. JohnnyRingo May 22 #9
Rocket Fuel Starbeach May 22 #24
It seems awfully easy for that orange piece of shit cilla4progress May 22 #10
This is a result of a multi year misinformation campaign by the right, big money, and which Botany May 22 #12
Multi-decade...nt Wounded Bear May 22 #23
See Ronald Reagan and Iran Contra Botany May 22 #25
Actually goes back to Nixon... Wounded Bear May 22 #32
It goes back to even before that Botany May 22 #36
I remember when the NYT actually ran op-eds warning about North... keep_left May 22 #50
It's only temporary NJCher May 22 #14
What an unhelpful and useless comment. Biophilic May 22 #22
The founders never expected someone like trump to be voted into the presidency. The founders sinned of having Escurumbele May 22 #16
The Founders RobinA May 22 #44
The founders had classical education, and knew from the Greeks and Romans that scoundrels could win favor JHB May 22 #45
The founders did not anticipate the creation of political parties and the power of group mentality andym May 23 #78
1984. It Can't Happen Here. Many others relayerbob May 22 #17
This message was self-deleted by its author Picaro May 22 #18
Our democracy is held together with spit and a prayer. Irish_Dem May 22 #26
Kick. This! I was telling my family this bronxiteforever May 22 #28
Money buys influence - it is a real and present danger. walkingman May 22 #29
I'm right there with you. Hugin May 22 #30
Laws must be administered by public servants Martin Eden May 22 #31
I resent a lifetime of indoctrination telling me that cheaters will get caught in the end Orrex May 22 #33
Yes, I've said the same thing several times PatSeg May 22 #34
White "christian" nationalists Nigrum Cattus May 22 #35
I had very good history and civics teachers along with a very wise parent who taught me how fragile freedom is Cheezoholic May 22 #37
Never doubt that you have lots and lots of company. Paladin May 22 #39
THE FOUNDING FATHERS IMAGINED A TRUMP Chasstev365 May 22 #42
These events are quite an eye opener. republianmushroom May 22 #47
Until Nov 2024, I never realized how S T U P I D too many American voters (and deliberate non-voters) could be Montauk6 May 22 #48
All he's done really, is do it openly. BlueTsunami2018 May 22 #49
I somehow knew/sensed in 2015 that he was going to do this. His rhetoric and sociopathy was obvious then. n/t Evolve Dammit May 22 #51
K&R UTUSN May 22 #52
Democracy requires maintenance. hay rick May 22 #54
"Democracy is hard, it's messy, and you have to think a lot." President Bartlett, West Wing. SharonAnn May 22 #71
Yeah, our democracy has been declining since Reagan turned people against the government and toward greed. Bluepinky May 22 #55
Benjamin Franklin: "A democracy if you can keep it" jgmiller May 22 #57
This isn't just Trump. This is the endgame of a 50-year effort to force a fundamental change on the nation. JHB May 22 #58
IMO Mblaze May 22 #59
We are not exceptional, sadly. Oneironaut May 22 #60
it wouldn't be if GOP allegiance was to AMERICA and not DONALD FUCKING TRUMP Skittles May 22 #61
Yes, it has been very distressing to see how easily Trump has managed to break laws, violate the constitution, and Martin68 May 22 #62
Message auto-removed Name removed May 22 #66
Brainwashing for 30 years cactuslady May 22 #67
Me, too. What I don't know, is a lot. Joinfortmill May 22 #73
It's almost like, if I commit a felony, maybe I can just walk out of the police station, and ignore the "STOP!" yelling. C Moon May 23 #77
This message was self-deleted by its author StevieM May 23 #79
In 2016 I watched his campaign with horror, and with equal horror the GOP's response... Hekate May 23 #80
People need to acknowledge donheld May 23 #81
My mother saw this coming back in 2000 synni May 23 #83
This too shall pass. Patton French May 23 #84
It is amazing that nobody has thought to mention Ken Starr as a turning point that led us to this place. StevieM May 24 #86
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