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Martin Eden

(14,634 posts)
56. If they say they are "proud" for standing on "principle"
Wed May 21, 2025, 02:41 PM
May 21

Then they can't (or refuse) to see past a righteous cause to the real world consequences of a Trump presidency, not only for Palestinians but for people worldwide. Joe Biden and Kamala Harris are not the ones being punished.

Perhaps their protests were more fashion than substance, or they simply won't admit to themselves and others they made a terrible mistake.

Setting them aside, I have to wonder if Hamas anticipated the sustained severity of Israel's response. They had to know Gaza was going to be hit, and hit hard. I surmised their strategy was to garner international sympathy and support. That has materialized, but hasn't changed facts on the ground.

I think it's important to remember the I/P conflict goes beyond the multiple generations of our lifetime. Struggle over the Holy Land spans millenia. Like Putin, Hamas desires the collapse of the USA as the dominant nation on the world stage. Without US financial and military aid, Israel's position is considerably weaker.

Hemmed into an open air prison (somewhat of Hamas own making) their desperate position called for desperate measures. Their long term goal (which I do NOT support) is the destruction of the Jewish State, which of course means eliminating or driving out the Jewish people.

Now Trump says he will force an exodus of Palestinians from Gaza. Is the "Genocide Joe" crowd proud of that? I give them no credit for understanding real geopolitics, or having the maturity to see past their own personal passion.

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Just yesterday had conversation with Liberal Slash Progressive Eliot Rosewater May 18 #1
Translation: sheshe2 May 18 #7
They expect Democrats to be their ideal lover mcar May 18 #21
Purity is the ally of Evil Martin Eden May 19 #25
This is so well said . . . . Scubamatt May 19 #27
Daaaaamn! Perfect! (May I quote you on that in the future?) Oopsie Daisy May 19 #44
Of course you may! Never heard of or used it before, but seemed apt for this issue Martin Eden May 19 #46
Convincing people that politics is a good vs evil moral purity sort of personal religion betsuni May 19 #49
Politics is necessary to defeat evil. Purity is not inherently evil. Martin Eden May 19 #50
I rarely used the word stupid because usually "ignorant" is what applies Eliot Rosewater May 21 #54
I rarely used the word stupid because usually "ignorant" is what applies Eliot Rosewater May 21 #55
I could not vote for Trump because of his position on America LS0999 May 19 #32
This is an advantage that Republicans have Dem4life1970 May 19 #36
People like that are easy marks for propaganda. yardwork May 19 #38
I apologize for not seeing your comment sooner... you are ABSOLUTELY CORRECT!! Oopsie Daisy May 20 #53
People like that just want to sit on their high horse SocialDemocrat61 May 19 #47
Agreed! Oopsie Daisy May 22 #59
Trust me many of the people who supposedly supported Palestine. Keepthesoulalive May 19 #51
If they say they are "proud" for standing on "principle" Martin Eden May 21 #56
You should see the responses on Reddit Keepthesoulalive May 21 #57
I'll take your word for it. Martin Eden May 21 #58
This! mcar May 18 #2
This mzmolly May 18 #3
Post removed Post removed May 18 #4
I'm not surprised. Oopsie Daisy May 18 #8
"Freedom fighter" fans who don't know what the word "genocide" means can get very touchy. betsuni May 18 #10
Indeed... ignorance can make some folks feel empowered... Oopsie Daisy May 18 #15
And again! sheshe2 May 18 #18
Fascinating. I guess a nerve has been struck. Oopsie Daisy May 19 #43
It seems someone took it 'personally'... sheshe2 May 19 #45
Yes it is. Oopsie Daisy May 20 #52
And then guess what happened next! marble falls May 18 #13
How about people here that said Joe was complicit in Gaza genocide? nt LexVegas May 18 #5
Yep. MarineCombatEngineer May 18 #11
They know who the hell they are. Are they happy now? Hekate May 18 #20
I'm sure they are. yardwork May 19 #39
Yep. mcar May 18 #22
The question is whether or not they cast their vote for Joe Martin Eden May 19 #28
Yes, the people who have likely destroyed this country Meowmee May 18 #6
Abso-f**king-lutely! sheshe2 May 18 #9
I'm as strong as a Biden supporter as anybody, but isn't this a good time for everyone to cut the crap and dig in? marble falls May 18 #12
No. Wrong. Now is the PERFECT time... when people are paying attention. Oopsie Daisy May 18 #16
If the error isn't called out now Scubamatt May 19 #29
What mistake? SocialDemocrat61 May 19 #48
I agree with the OP LetMyPeopleVote May 19 #42
Perfect. MarineCombatEngineer May 18 #14
Hate is blind. usonian May 18 #17
Yes. And ignorance is blind, too. Oopsie Daisy May 18 #19
Interesting, MarineCombatEngineer May 18 #23
Isn't it against DU rules to urge members against voting for the Democrat? Martin Eden May 19 #30
It is against the ToS, MarineCombatEngineer May 19 #31
Please clarify Martin Eden May 19 #34
I'm not getting into that, it would be on the edge and I prefer to keep my 100% rating. MarineCombatEngineer May 19 #35
BTW, I didn't say anyone here urged that, MarineCombatEngineer May 19 #37
Thanks for the clarification Martin Eden May 19 #40
Myopic, purity demanding ASSHOLES! Behind the Aegis May 19 #24
K&R spanone May 19 #26
K&R nt PunkinPi May 19 #33
Trump administration working on plan to move 1 million Palestinians to Libya LetMyPeopleVote May 19 #41
The most anti-Biden (or anti-Democrat) elected officials are noticeably silent * Oopsie Daisy May 22 #60
Noisy "standing up to" "taking on" "holding feet to fire" directed at Dems only. "Grassroots" status quo fundraising. betsuni May 22 #61
"Friends, will you split your donation with me and *" Oopsie Daisy May 22 #62
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