'Dramatic ambush': Trump attempts to humiliate South African president with 'white genocide' claims - Deadline - MSNBC

[Rhiannon12866]

Rick Stengel, Former Under Secretary of State under President Obama, and Michael Crowley, New York Times Diplomatic Correspondent, join Nicolle Wallace on Deadline: White House with reaction to Donald Trump and South Africa’s President Cyril Ramaphosa meeting in the Oval Office, where the American President attempted to ambush the President of South Africa with lies, false “white genocide” claims, and conspiracy theories that have been amplified by notorious liars like Elon Musk and David Duke in the Oval Office while representing people of the United States of America. - Aired on 05/21/2025.

[Irish_Dem]

1. The entire point of the meeting was to humiliate the SA president.

[Rhiannon12866]

2. Are we beginning to see a pattern here??

[Irish_Dem]

3. Correct.

[pfitz59]

4. Trump is such an asshole

Later on in the meeting Trump berated a reporter for asking about the Qatari jet bribe. Trump went apeship psycho. The SA president said 'We can't give you a plane.' Burn.

[JMS RSA]

5. Stats from Commitee in RSA 2003-Farm Murders

Let's maybe take emotion out and look at facts...real facts before jumping to any conclusions.

https://web.archive.org/web/20190809223627if_/https://africacheck.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/Final-Report-Committee-of-Inquiry-Farm-Attacks-July-2003.pdf

[Yonnie3]

6. Is this 22 year old information valid for today?

What is your thought on this matter?

[BumRushDaShow]

7. Did you actually read that almost 500-page report?

The claim has been that there IS "genocide" going on right now and that report published in 2003, for data from 1998 - 2003, has no such assertion, nor is such happening in 2025. The report itself uses the term 3 times including as a footnote for the definition -

Pg. 206 -

The TAU is not saying that ‘genocide’ is being committed against farmers, but rather that
it is the perception of farmers on the ground. Perceptions are important, and the
Committee should look at all kinds of perceptions that exist. The media tends to
sensationalise farm attacks, instead of trying to assist in getting to the bottom of the
phenomenon of farm attacks.

The Committee might not be able to make findings on facts only, but should look at
circumstantial evidence as well. It needs to look beyond the symptoms, to the causes of
farm attacks.

Pg. 434 -

Land related intimidation, racism, hatred, revenge and politics

This theoretical approach is favoured by Action Stop Farm Attacks12 and by Moolman13, who
argue that attacks should be seen in the context of historic interaction between black and white
communities in South Africa, with their differing ‘mindsets’ concerning land, and the fact that
the white farming community had been seen as a legitimate target during the struggle against
apartheid. In the post-1994 period, statements by certain politicians and NGOs are seen as
supporting the interpretation that attacks and murders are intended to intimidate commercial
farmers to share or leave their land to appease the landless. Features of specific farm attacks
culled from NICOC and other security agency reports, such as utterances by attackers,
gratuitous violence and the fact that the attackers did not steal anything, are cited in support of
this interpretation. There is also reference to perceived racial hatred stemming from the
historic relationship between blacks and whites in South Africa, and a desire for retaliation for
past injustices. A recent development is the emergence of a ‘genocide’ theory, applied
specifically to farm attacks, which argues that the real reason for these attacks is being
deliberately concealed.

Pg 434 -

14 Genocide is violence directed against people on the basis of their race, ethnicity or religion. There is an
exposition of this theory at www.bugbear.com

It very much establishes that 45 once again is a bigot bullshitter and some people fall for it.

[ProfessorGAC]

8. Referring To A 2 Decade Old Event...

...& extrapolating to today seems less than the dispassionate examination you're encouraging.
Misguided at best; duplicitous at worst.

[Cha]

9. My Take is Mump is a Sociopathic Lying Treasonous

Crock Pot of Shite.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

10. While your post is not explicitly pushing a whitey agenda it points to no pertinent current facts, so it is suspect

Prove us wrong. Prove to us that you are ready to advance an agenda of equality and you will be welcomed.