Skittles
(171,284 posts)Dunc
(208 posts)Like Barron these parasites will escape the reality of the war that is to come. Reading this morning Iran has mined the straits and now what are the choices we have to open it up.
Bibi or Benzion Milieikowsky has wanted this war for decades and Trump was stupid enough to join in.
Skittles
(171,284 posts)the greedy old pig party will need a draft to get people sucked into this mess
Dunc
(208 posts)Truly frightening the position these confident morons have got us into.
Skittles
(171,284 posts)fucking COWARDS
jfz9580m
(17,027 posts)I always liked E Jeanne Carroll
she is one female public figure one can admit to liking without it being as embarrassing as Valerie Solanas
..
No..it is a joke..
I also like entirely normal women like Nandita Bajaj, Marina Bolotnikova etc..lol..
Skittles
(171,284 posts)between gun owners and gun humpers
jfz9580m
(17,027 posts)I never really thought about gun control much as an issue Skittles, preoccupied as I was with the environment.
But after I returned to India and encountered local crazies here and after reading about your crazies over there, I felt genuinely thankful that at least these local creeps who flooded my street appallingly between 2021 and the present were unarmed and only had strength in numbers.
Our local typically male, typically Indian creeps favor gang rape without weapons as opposed to your typically male, typically white lone gunman creeps. Multicultural creep diversity!
I am a champ at political correctness in all directions! It saves one the hassle of thought terminating cliches
lol
I am not really easygoing Skittles. But communication with people one disagrees with in my specifically rubbish position is something I make guesses about from talking to my dad. He is conservative, but not unreasonable and he can be responsive to things if you represent self-interest in honest ways.
I am already taking a hard line on many things as a feminist/environmentalist/scientist/Nimby/pot user/uncompromising on kayfabe, privacy etc. Because it concerns my material assets. I dont go around taking other peoples shit and they neednt expect to pirate from me and represent that as the other way around.
I have so many strong opinions on so many things in material ways, I have to compromise somewhere and that is adjusting civility to navigate something filled with tension, where emotions run high etc.
In my fairly cloistered life (far from any red stronghold -college towns mostly), I never really met white working class Republicans who werent generally nice at an interpersonal level. Sometimes in some contexts someone who has the minority political view is (in that context) if not precisely an underdog, still outnumbered. I dont care much for mobbing anymore than billionaires. I am an only child and a loner from way back.
That is why I always liked you
. You kick ass solo. I respect that 🫡. Though till recently I always found you terrifying..in a good way. No..you remind me of many lone women I know..I am from a matriarchal society in India and I tried to be milder because so many women I knew were so domineering past all sense and reason (my grandmother, my aunt). But most societies arent matriarchal and mildness is not working.
But still sometimes I do feel some sympathy for these crazy male types sometimes. Because I have myself often felt adrift and isolated. But I course correct before I go around the bend at all. That looks on the whole worse. And I like being alone most of the time.
DUer erronis posted about male loneliness and I do think men tend to feel lonelier. For solitary women safety takes priority over companionship. But still even I am trying to establish contact with an old colleague I trust who never responds, damn him. But it is again a specific insane thing. Dont ask..
You work in cybersecurity right Skittles? Is cryptography a part of that? Yeah your field is crazy.
These CS people seem a little insane sometimes when they arent the hyperenthusiasts whom I avoid even more.
Hell we even had a neighbour who was kinda crazy, but a nice guy..very weird..he was pretty crazy though. A real shame, because he was actually a nice person insane politics aside.
I used to think sadly that he could some day do something from which there would be no going back. I hope he doesnt..As I said, I am a solitary person myself. But I am not crazy.
The worst people who impacted me, I never even met..goddamn cowards. I dread political discussions irl.
And I am on DU because I am very incomfortable in politically mixed places for all that I tend to feel bad for people with cracked out views.
Deradicalisation is what so much of society needs after 20 years of extra shit media.
I admit to some sympathy for the simple reason that it would be entrapment to fail to get that sympathy is not an opening to hack and show up uninvited and stalk etc.
It is merely a form of help. Someone who is not contemptuous should point out that dont go down paths that will ruin your life (and mine).
It is not the people who seem most antagonistic you should fear sometimes as people who tried to be understanding and lost patience. A dynamic I have never successfully avoided with people like my main mentor.
It is not pissing off truly unreasonable people that is the path to perdition. It is when you exhaust the patience of even people who try to tolerate drivel up to a threshold and inverting that wont work. My first postdoctoral mentor (the most superior scientist who ever existed in my view and nothing can change that..because he takes mentoring seriously) and my overworked oncologist are the sole people whom I am in the red with in any real way.
irisblue
(37,378 posts)Agreed irisblue..
Junipercity
(113 posts)The United States clearly fell, and continues to experience hostile wartime actions which has targeted the most vulnerable among us. These punks slated the extermination of hundreds of thousands. Nay, millions, on a whim, without so much as batting an eye.
You are staring in to the eyes of recalcitrant, and unrepentant mass murderers.
I do not say these things lightly.
THESE ARE MONSTERS.
Dunc
(208 posts)And in the video i do not see these people having counsel.
democrank
(12,534 posts)No way are either of them qualified to make such important personal judgment decisions.
Dunc
(208 posts)jfz9580m
(17,027 posts)Or that is the only source of hope at this point. If the rest can be deradicalized, things may get better.
Deradicalization is what will be needed. Talk people down to more moderate positions by acknowledging univerally annoying or stupid human behaviors (especially online).
Appeasement is a cancer, but deradicalization I understand. These are clearly what are known as thought terminating cliches as they are processed by these guys.
GreenWave
(12,598 posts)jfz9580m
(17,027 posts)And game theory problems to work out how to form a coalition that involves these DOGE guys and that other type of person they attract from Si Valley..
At this point I am kinda happy about the headsup I had to buffer this..lol..looks like hell
jfz9580m
(17,027 posts)Good catch. Accountability uptop for people who really do not give a shit and then identify scapegoats and fall guys from the vast pool of the thick headed like yours truly..
I hold my creeps accountable so others should hold theirs accountable. Or they can keep shooting themselves in the foot..
jfz9580m
(17,027 posts)It will come to me much later..but not right now.
Trueblue Texan
(4,403 posts)stand them in the corner, and ground them (behind bars) for the coming decade.
happy feet
(1,276 posts)I watched only the first video and am nauseous....taking a break.
jfz9580m
(17,027 posts)The internet had made honest conversation as one human being hard with this athletics style of go team politics where your team will attack you if you engage with the other side outside of specific modes (God..what a nazi piece of shit!) and the other team will take it as covert support of all kinds of essentially stupid things.
It is neither. It is that some of us are not made for the internet. I am online, but that was..had I known, I would have largely stayed offline. Not entirely. I do like DU and it would limit ones perspective needlessly to have no internet at all (well this kind- strictly online and low tech, just text). But I unambiguously would have avoided everything I saw in the last 14.5 years as the net bled into real life.
I saw a fellow traveller of this young mans type. Another young male, but nonwhite:
https://ottawacitizen.com/news/ottawa-man-ai-bot-maga
That angered me even more as one is a type of behavior kicking you out of various systems and affecting your income (that would be Mr. Davis), the other is the type of behavior making your life hell in your own spaces (thanks to rampant deregulation) after (that would be Mr.Singh).
In this overpopulated and competitive a world and as a best case mediocre worker, I took my lumps wrt the first. The second is a reason I am filing a serious complaint against my govt here in India and some complaints in the US later (from long back).
I am old enough to have a kid the age of these young men. And what I can say is this is a waste of their lives and everyones. They do not know any feminists I am pretty sure. I am a feminist in every material way. And yet I find a lot of what is billed as feminist annoying.
This piece kinda addresses it:
https://time.com/6190225/feminist-industrial-complex-roe-v-wade/
As for bots etc, if they are not regulated right now as this careening disaster comes to a head, I am pushing back even harder here in my country. So playing around with deregulated junk tech will not remain low risk.
The internet doesnt represent reality. I tried to avoid filing complaints and pressing charges and stick with merely yelling and ignoring things as long as I could. I tried to warn these local creeps over and over. Because I am not a loose cannon or a careless and entitled person.
But there comes a tipping point whether it is fossil fuels and climate change or data as oil and malpractice, past which you cannot force humans anymore.
And these young men and their instigators here in India will pay heavily for this because it was unambiguously unpardonable behaviour.
So when you are in your twenties or thirties, dont get swayed by someone who is just manipulating your emotions invoking some people (feminists, immigrants, leftists, liberals), who are not a monolith and whom you do not know.
I see this in the animal kingdom where male animals fight and injure each other to no end.
Where you have not done anything wrong in these areas like ai and data etc dont repeat the mistakes of idiots who went before you whatever their crap deal was and get even by mimicking them. I think that all the time about girlbosses etc. What is so great about mimicking the types of men who subjugate while insisting that that is feminism.
Not everything a woman does that makes money for corporations is feminist.
I agreed with this:
https://www.salon.com/2023/10/15/beyond-the-rights-woke-slurs-what-would-a-progressive-us-military-really-look-like_partner/
I am all for working women, women in stem, absolutely do not think women need children etc. I would not compromise on that.
But I also dont go around telling other peoole what to do except the lame, hard, dull boots on the ground way that requires democratic consensus.
A part of living in society is tolerance of people living in their own lanes.
An insidious lie of these societies run by special interests, billionaires, for profits etc is that many of us are encroaching into other peoples lanes deliberately
There is no predictable script in life. But while you have time left, dont go the way of the worst people is what I think when I see anyone young going this way.
This is a stupid society.
I really liked something I saw from both Adam Becker and Peter Putnam. Becker quoted Orwell about the difficulty of having this very absolutist and certain worldview. And Putnam put it well:
It is especially hard for any woman to be herself, he once wrote her, and believe in herself as she is, surrounded as she is with these ridiculous man-made images of how she is supposed to feel and act.
Its easy to say why someone is wrong, Putnam said. The hard part is figuring out why theyre right. And everyone is right. Everyone has some central insight, hard won by the consistency-making mechanism of the brain, built of past experiences, cast as motor predictions, a pattern that repeats, sustains itself in the chaos. Our job is to pan for it like gold, sift it into our own nervous systems, reconcile the resulting contradiction, become something new.
My lifes work, if there is a one-sentence formula for it, is trying to find some path of reconciliation with you, Putnam wrote her.
My lifes work is not finding such a reconciliation with the kinds of men and people who have made my life a living hell for 14+ years. But it is discouraging to see more and more young people going this way for someone elses profit, someone elses war and making society worse constantly in the process.
I am wrapping something up and I have been writing extensively in various forums on DU.
But a big part of the problem is seeing a label and hating someone based on the predominant mode of discourse online which I dislike too. Which I think has made life worse for all the very groups of people it pits against each other.
I have no hope that this will do anything.
But one is obligated sometimes. These people who made my life hell will pay. They have to or I have no peace.
I want to live out my life quietly here in India, whether I visit some other parts of earth (only ones I have never been to before) or not. And I cannot have these nuisances here.
I am aborting these things here anyway. They are worthless.
jfz9580m
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Between being screwed over by the various forces fucking up reality (whatever your demographic) and being angry about it.
And being 20 and having largely imaginary grievances that trip you up. Grievances about people you dont know at all, who may sometimes within reason sympathize and agree even. Honest lefties dislike bullshitters as much as anyone does.
Though I am female and Indian, I was a military brat and at 20 had a type of conservative worldview though then as now I have largely unformed views about things I have no experience with. That is what makes the human brain fluid and able to adapt honestly. Not pay lip service, but stop and think once in a while.
I had never lived outside India and did not understand much.
I was as full of shit as these young men in
my way at 20. I do remember that. But I kept moving left motivated both by honest self interest and because I do care about stuff. I reject a lot of what is superficially labeled left. But the real left is as different as that as chalk from cheese. And hobbled by human contradictions.
Fortunately no one rewarded me ever for being full of shit and I continue to never be rewarded. In fact as I
As I fell into more and more corrupt systems as the better systems get priced out of range by the truly hateful people fucking us all over (the billionaire class in tech etc) life got and remains impossible.
At least never being rewarded for stupidity i
keeps me out of prison. And maybe the hateful systems using as all as scapegoats and fall guys will get their comeuppance.
But the people who have been rewarded for their shit locally at least will learn the hard way up top.
These young men are not local to me. And the way they are going people local to them will eventually handle their malfeasance, though really it is their false god Elon Musk they should be mad at. The way I reject the so called liberals of Google and Facebook who threw me to the dogs. At least I take out my own false friends.
I am generally suspicious of movies and entertainment (they are the devils tool! Only the scriptures for me!), but sometimes they convey things pictorially for those hampered by a lack of imagination. And Ed Nortons character gets it finally in American History X that the people manipulating him and sending him to prison have no investment in his well-being. It is a good movie, as movies go..these days it is all theft and that cannot work as theft of human experience is not art.
If I were someone like this groomed to be the fall guy for some predatory and manipulative billionaire, I would be looking to make them accountable. In this case Elon Musk, not this kid. But if on the left eventually lefties lose patience enough to push back against pseudo woke douches like my former employer.. who keep muscling me out of the left as conservatives jumping ship muscle me out of the moderate left parts.
Greenwashing, girlbossing and an eternal grievance complex are not left anymore than spurious hardcore and brute force is libertarian meritocracy and piracy is just theft. This is a confused and non cohesive mix of views. Most honest people I find have templates for being that are not articulated but which make more sense than mechanical tribalism.
The only people I ever groveled to were my postdoctoral mentor because I was and am in the wrong in not working harder down to this day. Because he does his best as a scientist and as a family man. To my best friends (from grad school and my ex husband). My parents who have had to suffer a daughter like this. My medical MJ and doctor who offer an honest service, My last mentor (though not his annoying lab..they are cool, but I thought and continue to think they needed kicking back then), My colleagues from my main lab-coolest lab ever; My long suffering oncologist; one male scientist from my last job whom I think I misunderstood; my vegan lady friend locally; EarlG/elad who host me. And the few specific humans I follow as they have good judgement. Small is beautiful.
But I have been taken aback that the rest of these idiots are by now so broken that they go around taking liberties with me. Which really isnt recommended. Because I didnt go around puffing myself up and being entitled. I was and mostly just am dysfunctional.
Were I a conservative young man, I would be trying to be the best version of that not a grifter who is muscling out other people they perceive as grifters. At some point it loses credibility.
I do not need a grifter like Matt Walsh or a batshit crazy person like Curtis Yarvin or Nick Land to explain to me that Robin DAngelo, race2dinner etc are grifters and nothing like Briahna Joy Gray or Alec Karakatsanis.
The wrong patterns are being inspected imo.
And once the net encroaches into reality this bullshit is not sustainable.
Whatever else is not both sided, we can all agree on grift, bullshit, cluelessness at some point.
It is why I avoid like the plague scripted and mechanical worldviews. There is no room there for the adaptation you need to survive.
Stephen Colbert said recently that he is more conservative than people think. I am not conservative for the most part. But I agree with someone like Matt Stoller that utopianism is not real. And finding the set of actions and communication from those like me stuck with this infuriating shit..I reserve all my resources (including the ones that were pirated and squandered and continue to be in all probability) to push back in the real world and make it stick as the specific human I am.
I expect it to be filled with moments when I look daft and realize that what I thought I was attacking was actually friendly fire and what I was saying could be perverted and portrayed as the parroting of some stance that I would find abhorrent.
That is the fun part of these opaque things in these glorious societies! But it is worth being wrong to learn from it and slowly work on being right some day over always being wrong.
And it is malicious forces that portray your antagonist as a caricature, not least because then you underestimate them.
I get shut down so much by my own friends that I have overestimated my actual antagonists. Well..lol..I have rights!
These are hard won lessons not glib shit fueled by some junk ai.
This whole thing was worthless anti-sanity garbage.
More of this trash? Fuck no.
Yeah this kid should throw Elon Musk under the bus as I will throw Facebook and Google (solely excepting Prof John Hennessy and Prof Yan Lecun and the rare people I would truly buy) under various buses and trains along with my creepy local communist govt and anyone else who was a part of this disgraceful rollout.
This has become too personal for me to mess around. One person -my mom - who bore the brunt of this disgraceful mess and supported her only child - me throughout is dead.
I myself sometimes find the hectoring style of a type of left alienating..But what about the rights of hectoring alienating moralizers who frame things in completely unrealistic ways?!!!!
Well being an only child saved me from having to rely on state support. I am sympathetic when people need to do that..what did I say about hectoring a para back?
But I do resent having to shoulder the burden of various parasitic burgeoning surveillance complexes with no legitimate tie to any kind of security, who in fact via their support of various grifty bullshit jobs that rile up the population, make the lives of actual security professionals, who pick up after them, harder.
Those people will in turn take it out no doubt on whatever scapegoat is available. Oooo who would that be? Let me put on the thinking cap ascribed to me!
It is not that I am not a huge fan of all this. I may even be the only fan of these various onlyfans account shills at this point. But a life spent on ones knees (vicious double entendre intended!) is no life.
If these day in and day out posts were inadequate to demonstrate that instead of focusing on gainful employment as a staid, mild, garrulous and ever so slightly daft old lady like me should be doing, I am engaged in low effort catharsis and a transformation! Like that nice man in Red Dragon, I could produce (! well I deleted them out of intense shame) various disclaimers from 2011-2026 in which I confessed to various petty offences and assured everyone everywhere that I would not sneak into their worlds and countries etc and steal everything that is not nailed down.
The nice and endearing thing about 14.5 years, totally voluntariy (!) spent in a blooming surveillance state that is such trash that it will not survive in my home is you know that as various snap recipients, people misguided by our garbage elites into a lot and now leading lives of needless humiliation as these parasites who lead them there continue to cavort in dens of vice with painted harlots! That is called a joke. Lol
I would request the left wing hierarchy to allow me to be a jester if Chomsky and Arundhati Roy can go around hectoring and alienating honest humans like my parents who are very reasonable and would be left more than right and dont go around befriending Epstein and saying MeToo hysteria. Petition denied! Why???
I grovel to the real community so I dont have to grovel to billionaires. But I just gotta be me!
I really didnt have a choice..
But this isnt theatre and everything I can do to end this I will.
The difference (as you see with this message board where over time you start to know the lives of strangers and get a sense of who they are, absent some annoying endless thing unauthorized by EarlG/elad or DUers) between a cohesive human worldview and a bot that drones out a mix of shit which has unclear effects couldnt be greater(!).
They work for a type of person. No prizes for guessing which!
It reminds me of my own very mechanical and rote learning driven thoughts often.
These are my perceptions and not binding. I disapprove of influence, were it even real. Ransomware..that I believe is real and yes Russian and Chinese with Americans, Indians etc of there ilk wondering gee how can we get a cut of that.
These are not nice people. They are a garbage elite and to borrow their own rubbish, they are engaged in a war on the human mind they are too stupid to understand.
I did support Indias hum do hamare do campaign. This country urgently needs to move to a smaller population so parasitic grift like this (my lights just went out) is not rewarded and a disgusting rationalization for pensions was and is not propped up.
If you live in a foreign country, you do not understand things on the ground here and even the better local things in collaboration with anything better outside will fail absent draconian pushback against grifting hospitals, grifting data scientists etc.
This has to be aborted and the post mortem can be done for once less utterly disgracefully.
That is ideal for the few honest humans in this over a growth signal or bullshit rationalisation. There is no use case and nothing honest except crowd manipulation and control for allpartisan grift. And I dont mean a meanspirited crackdown at all.
That is why I need to see. Since I cannot joust with an opaque thing endlessly.
From what I convey constantly about my personality and views and rationalizations you should get some idea of my flawed but hopefully honest worldview. I would need to verify it with others. But which others this time I will choose.
jfz9580m
(17,027 posts)usonian
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Take his "AI" company.
Not built right the first time Musks xAI is starting over again, again
https://techcrunch.com/2026/03/13/not-built-right-the-first-time-musks-xai-is-starting-over-again-again/
Like buying twitter, he rushes into things like a mad fool.
DOGE was utter garbage from day zero.
xAI was not built right first time around, so is being rebuilt from the foundations up, Musk said Thursday on his social media platform, X. By most measures, it isnt going all that smoothly.
Translation:
This was a cluster**** from the start, like the jobs trashed and lives ruined by DOGE, and we're going to catch up with Claude Code or Codex, rival programming assistants made by Anthropic and OpenAI, ... by the middle of this year.
Yes, that's fine work by mind-altering drugs.
https://www.thenation.com/article/society/elon-musk-drug-use-ideology/
Mr. Musks drug consumption went well beyond occasional use. He told people he was taking so much ketamine, a powerful anesthetic, that it was affecting his bladder, a known effect of chronic use. He took Ecstasy and psychedelic mushrooms. And he traveled with a daily medication box that held about 20 pills, including ones with the markings of the stimulant Adderall, according to a photo of the box and people who have seen it.
From the delightful FAFO collection:

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100219770873
Might be time for an update.
jfz9580m
(17,027 posts)I dont get not giving a shit. I am so worried about unintended consequences. How can you have stuff like that : a) on your conscience and b) expect to escape consequences.
No one escapes consequences in the end. There are essentially decent and rational reasons for all of us non-martyr type humans.
You cannot just gather tonnes of shitty surveillance data and think Gee I could restructure society and do a better job!
With all its flaws society exists a certain way with some working and some non working parts.
I have lived with this loathesome shit move fast and break shit for 14+ years and these guys dont give a shit what they break and they teach people the world over to do the same.
I am sort of morally average - I have good intentions and mean well. But in execution I have failed completely and been a huge nuisance in the past to the better people while being shoved around by this type.
Well, only the same type but Google and Facebook and probably conservadem more than outright Republican, but who the hell knows..it is all so opaque. Google certainly..Probably also Facebook, Microsoft, Apple, Amazon, Tata, Reliance (the worst of the worst) and small creepy defense contractors..I will find out.
This totally creepy, MIT Media Lab (garbage pseudoscience and Epstein associated) huckster called Alex Pentland made Indias digital id program and seems so substandard. This rollout I have seen, it will need to be aborted with new strict standards, not just whatever these guys want.
Cascading security and other issues for the greed of these guys. This isnt GDP growth beyond the bare essential utilities. This is a space grab and here in India I will file a court case. I dont know how. But if people get that it will devastate any honest take on the Indian middleclass and not a sweatshop started in the US with pseudoscience with no concern for ecological sciences, the web of life snd the earth sciences. Totally creepy.
And I have an intuition that this fucked up thing works so people abuse those who are in their team more than the other calculating that you can get away with that better.
Motherfucking predators..I hate poking at opaque things but this is such a mangled mess. And I am profane etc in text.
That doesnt mean creepiness and punishments are the response.
Every part of the globe is run by the worst people. A rainbow coalition of greedy narcissists.
And the reason this opaque shit is so dangerous (especially if it continues to entrench and embed while remaining this tacky and low rent and tragedy of the commonsy) is while it may be different trigger words from that kids, all humans think a little like that (I am pretty close-minded about anything from China as I am more wary of the most successfully undemocratic country to date that is just as extractive.. I really dont get the enthusiasm for China in some parts of the left..At least the US and India are more incompetent in their attempts to pull off that shit..China is smoothly muscular that way and no..no way. I am embattled as is by all these ineptly coercive dingbats..who wants these fuckers to learn to pull off that? Damn sleazy lameo wannabe fascist hucksters shoving people around forever and bullshitting prolifically
).
When people do not understand stuff (and who the hell has the expertise for this), limpid trust in these fucking sleazebags to sit around wideeyed learning obediently for these twats douchebag ai? I want to help some loathesome parasites build real world models of ai! I am lobotomized and gullible! Fucking sweatshop humping turds..Fuck all these assholes all the way back to 2011. Sleazy goddamn predators..and a brainless zombie mob vapidly following along..
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