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totodeinhere

(13,688 posts)
Sat Jan 3, 2026, 07:04 PM Yesterday

Numerous House Democrats Praise Trump's Capture of Maduro: 'Venezuelans Deserve the Promise of Democracy'

Source: Mediaite

Several Democratic politicians celebrated the Trump Administration’s capture of Venezuelan dictator Nicolás Maduro on Saturday, saying it has paved the way for democracy in the socialist country.

Rep. Debbie Wasserman Schultz (D-FL) was one of a handful of Florida Democrats who said it was great to see Maduro go.

“The capture of the brutal, illegitimate ruler of Venezuela… is welcome news for my friends and neighbors who fled his violent, lawless, and disastrous rule,” she wrote on X. “However, cutting off the head of a snake is fruitless if it just regrows.”

Read more: https://www.mediaite.com/politics/numerous-house-democrats-praise-trumps-capture-of-maduro-venezuelans-deserve-the-promise-of-democracy/



I disagree with those House Democrats. Have we learned no lessons from the debacles in Iraq and Iran? How many billions is this adventure going to cost the American taxpayers?
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Numerous House Democrats Praise Trump's Capture of Maduro: 'Venezuelans Deserve the Promise of Democracy' (Original Post) totodeinhere Yesterday OP
I agree with you. And what gives us the right to do this, even if the end is as desirable spooky3 Yesterday #1
I keep getting flashbacks PatSeg Yesterday #15
What? BurnDoubt Yesterday #40
Huh? Wiz Imp 10 hrs ago #91
"What's to stop some other nation from violently overthrowing our government?" True Dough 3 hrs ago #102
I would never vote for any representative that is ok with this kidnapping and fake war charges kimbutgar Yesterday #2
Post removed Post removed Yesterday #3
She is pandering to Venezuelans in Florioda choie Yesterday #41
Maduro needed to go mikewv Yesterday #4
He may have needed to have been overthrown choie Yesterday #42
Whoever the US installs is just as illegitimate fujiyamasan 23 hrs ago #50
House members are constantly in reelection campaigns. underpants Yesterday #5
Yes, this is reps playing politics to their own constituents. Its unavoidable. nt BootinUp Yesterday #11
"Have we learned no lessons from the debacles in Iraq and Iran?" sop Yesterday #6
With all due respect, I feel like this is the more truthful statement. OldBaldy1701E 15 hrs ago #60
This ought to help our supreme court. bluestarone Yesterday #7
Here are the full statements from each of those cited in the article. chowder66 Yesterday #8
Trump has done these same things to his own citizens as well. travelingthrulife 13 hrs ago #67
Who are you calling "nitwits"? Cha 6 hrs ago #97
Hm. I wonder. MorbidButterflyTat 5 hrs ago #98
So the rage bait headline doesn't accurately reflect what Democrats actually said. lapucelle 11 hrs ago #79
Of course it doesn't. LisaM 10 hrs ago #92
Thank you very much for actual information. betsuni 11 hrs ago #84
Mahlo for Posting the FULL STATEMENTS of Our DEMS, Cha 6 hrs ago #96
Call it what it is: A slippery slope. Then justify it. nt BootinUp Yesterday #9
Zero dollars Traildogbob Yesterday #10
The oil money will go to the oil companies. totodeinhere Yesterday #21
You are wrong Traildogbob Yesterday #22
We aren't the world's policeman, he said Easterncedar Yesterday #12
How about some fucking democracy in the United States !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! SamKnause Yesterday #13
I know Maduro was a dictator who was pocketing the oil money for himself AZProgressive Yesterday #14
If the U.S. takes over Venezuela it will be 10 times worse than it is now !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! SamKnause Yesterday #16
Post removed Post removed Yesterday #17
Or BE retired. BurnDoubt Yesterday #39
AMEN! choie Yesterday #43
Post removed Post removed Yesterday #18
Dump every Dem who empowers chump. BidenRocks Yesterday #19
Yep!!! Yep!!! Yep!!!! BurnDoubt Yesterday #38
The Fascist-in-Chief should be impeached for this, not praised!! InAbLuEsTaTe 3 hrs ago #105
This article was written by Sean James, don't trust it yliza Yesterday #20
Do they actually think Trump is going bring democracy to Venezuela? hadEnuf Yesterday #23
They are so breathtakingly stupid. travelingthrulife 13 hrs ago #65
I never was LilElf70 12 hrs ago #75
Democracy at the point of a bayonet is no democracy. nt Xipe Totec Yesterday #24
I sure as hell hope the new Dem majority in 2027 has spines and the courage to call out crimes. Fiendish Thingy Yesterday #25
Thus, such kind of Representative tell me to NEVER FarPoint Yesterday #26
Britain and Canada came out agreeing to the regime change yaesu Yesterday #27
One, that's not why he did it, and two, that's not the right way to do anything. (nt) William Seger Yesterday #28
This is bullshit it is not up to us to go around the world blasting into other moniss Yesterday #29
They don't care about the regime. Hell, Trump wishes he could execute half of us. travelingthrulife 12 hrs ago #68
Lots of guys out there who've done what Maduro has and more.... paleotn Yesterday #30
We are so fucked. orangecrush Yesterday #31
Democracy? LisaL Yesterday #32
DWS who ended Sanders' campaign for POTUS in '16 AllyCat Yesterday #33
Wasn't she involved with Al Franken resigning. BidenRocks Yesterday #44
I thought that was Gillebrand but who knows what DWS AllyCat 23 hrs ago #46
Not sure what DWS had to do with Franken fujiyamasan 22 hrs ago #55
It was the official pile on. BidenRocks 21 hrs ago #56
Who is Weinstein? lapucelle 11 hrs ago #82
Harvey mahina 11 hrs ago #87
Who is this mysterious Weinstein who decreed that there was "no humor left for bawdiness"? lapucelle 11 hrs ago #85
Harvey mahina 11 hrs ago #88
How does that tie in to DSW? N/T lapucelle 10 hrs ago #89
This is Trump we're talking about. It's just a concept of a promise of democracy. LudwigPastorius Yesterday #34
Not To Cast Aspersions On Elected Democrats, But The Name "Charlie Brown" Does.... ColoringFool Yesterday #35
Fuck NO!!!!!! BurnDoubt Yesterday #36
Simon Bolivar Is Spinning Mightily Tonight. Not Because.... ColoringFool Yesterday #37
Our country is garbage angrychair 23 hrs ago #45
Numerous House Democrats róisín_dubh 23 hrs ago #47
I miss the good old days when our rare involvement in regime change was done Marie Marie 23 hrs ago #48
Post removed Post removed 23 hrs ago #49
WTAF???? LearnedHand 23 hrs ago #51
Venezuelan expats hate Maduro. RandySF 22 hrs ago #52
Yep it all comes back to "all politics is local" fujiyamasan 22 hrs ago #54
The US? Learn something?? OldBaldy1701E 14 hrs ago #61
Imagine if you will . . . Aussie105 22 hrs ago #53
Primary them! Indyfan53 20 hrs ago #57
Plus, everything that trump is involved in becomes a disaster. C Moon 20 hrs ago #58
The stupids in charge. Mawspam2 20 hrs ago #59
Post removed Post removed 14 hrs ago #62
Boo-boo-boo ......... nt Hotler 13 hrs ago #63
All of these people need to go. travelingthrulife 13 hrs ago #64
Post removed Post removed 13 hrs ago #66
Pfft...Democrats will probably get outlawed this year tonekat 12 hrs ago #69
23 out 24 Dem senators (plus Buttigieg) said the way Trump did it was wrong muriel_volestrangler 12 hrs ago #70
Maduro is bad. Trump is far worse. travelingthrulife 12 hrs ago #74
Trump is far worse than Maduro? Polybius 11 hrs ago #86
Rapist, conman, bombs other countries ... muriel_volestrangler 10 hrs ago #90
Maduro definitely succeeded Polybius 3 hrs ago #100
Way worse AZProgressive 5 hrs ago #99
I don't think Jair Bolsonaro is worse than Maduro either Polybius 3 hrs ago #101
We are now a train full clowns Javaman 12 hrs ago #71
When are those Democrats going to come take out our illegitimate president?? When? Tick tick tick tick..... Clouds Passing 12 hrs ago #72
Since when have politician cared about democracy?! It's about the oil. JustKay 12 hrs ago #73
Venezuela is the next Afghanistan. Military industrial complex must be fed. /nt bucolic_frolic 12 hrs ago #76
The story goes from numerous to several to doc03 12 hrs ago #77
Praising the unprovoked attack of a sovereign nation makes us no better then Russia dlk 12 hrs ago #78
I now realize why the men in congress won't stand up to F45. F45 is a baby and the men in congress have never raised a in2herbs 11 hrs ago #80
Yeah, because it worked out so well in Iraq. dugog55 11 hrs ago #81
I don't know enough about it somsai 11 hrs ago #83
I suppose I wouldn't be so alarmed at this if it wasn't such a crazy idiot who was behind it. ificandream 10 hrs ago #93
More democrat bashing bullshit Wiz Imp 9 hrs ago #94
The definition of CLICKBAIT. The title says "numerous" Democrats and the article says "some" Democrats. Martin68 8 hrs ago #95
I Wouldn't Go as far as to praise Trump but... Darnell1972 3 hrs ago #103
WTF?!?! InAbLuEsTaTe 3 hrs ago #104
Did they or did they not say they wanted this before it happened? If not, why are they suddenly saying this is so great? Doodley 3 hrs ago #106
On the hook for either petro dollars or Venezolano votes or both Ursus Rex 3 hrs ago #107
Way to cozy up to a dictator Miguelito Loveless 1 hr ago #108

spooky3

(38,244 posts)
1. I agree with you. And what gives us the right to do this, even if the end is as desirable
Sat Jan 3, 2026, 07:07 PM
Yesterday

as Wasserman Schultz seems to believe it will be? What's to stop some other nation from violently overthrowing our government?

PatSeg

(52,076 posts)
15. I keep getting flashbacks
Sat Jan 3, 2026, 07:23 PM
Yesterday

to the invasion of Iraq and we all know how that turned out.

This is absolute madness and I can't believe that a single Democrat in Congress would support what he has done. They deserve to be primaried, assuming we still have a Congress in November.

BurnDoubt

(1,434 posts)
40. What?
Sat Jan 3, 2026, 10:18 PM
Yesterday

Putin has already done it.
Remember the "Secret Meeting"?
Vladdy whipped it out and the "Mushroom" went "dimple".
HE has the Epstein Files.
Never doubt it.

Wiz Imp

(8,891 posts)
91. Huh?
Sun Jan 4, 2026, 01:13 PM
10 hrs ago

“However, cutting off the head of a snake is fruitless if it just regrows.” doresn't sound like she's supportive of the action to me.

True Dough

(25,805 posts)
102. "What's to stop some other nation from violently overthrowing our government?"
Sun Jan 4, 2026, 07:31 PM
3 hrs ago

I believe the answer is the U.S. nuclear arsenal.

kimbutgar

(26,785 posts)
2. I would never vote for any representative that is ok with this kidnapping and fake war charges
Sat Jan 3, 2026, 07:11 PM
Yesterday

Shame on any Democrat that is ok with this!

This is a distraction from Epstein and jack Smiths testimony release, The timing is highly suspicious. Was Maduro threatening the US?

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choie

(6,587 posts)
41. She is pandering to Venezuelans in Florioda
Sat Jan 3, 2026, 10:36 PM
Yesterday

as she's done with Cubans in Florida. Very in character.

mikewv

(218 posts)
4. Maduro needed to go
Sat Jan 3, 2026, 07:12 PM
Yesterday

I have no issue with Maduro being taken out. I do have issue that Trump is still our President. In the end he will go away.

choie

(6,587 posts)
42. He may have needed to have been overthrown
Sat Jan 3, 2026, 10:37 PM
Yesterday

but not by us. Jesus Christ, I can't believe what some people post here. Or don't we care about our contitution OR international law anymore?

fujiyamasan

(1,210 posts)
50. Whoever the US installs is just as illegitimate
Sun Jan 4, 2026, 12:19 AM
23 hrs ago

Ultimately it was the up to the Venezuelan people to decide their country’s fate.

underpants

(194,819 posts)
5. House members are constantly in reelection campaigns.
Sat Jan 3, 2026, 07:12 PM
Yesterday

They know their district and sticking their heads out is never a good idea unless it’s a rock solid district

sop

(17,390 posts)
6. "Have we learned no lessons from the debacles in Iraq and Iran?"
Sat Jan 3, 2026, 07:12 PM
Yesterday

America has never learned any lessons from previous debacles involving regime change.

OldBaldy1701E

(10,145 posts)
60. With all due respect, I feel like this is the more truthful statement.
Sun Jan 4, 2026, 07:46 AM
15 hrs ago

America has never learned any lessons from previous debacles involving regime change..

(At least, not any that apply to being benevolent and progressive. We just won't do that.)

chowder66

(11,804 posts)
8. Here are the full statements from each of those cited in the article.
Sat Jan 3, 2026, 07:17 PM
Yesterday

Wasserman-Schultz
“The capture of the brutal, illegitimate ruler of Venezuela, Nicolás Maduro, who oppressed Venezuela's people is welcome news for my friends and neighbors who fled his violent, lawless, and disastrous rule. However, cutting off the head of a snake is fruitless if it just regrows. Venezuelans deserve the promise of democracy and the rule of law, not a state of endless violence and spiraling disorder. My hope is it offers a passage to true democracy and liberation. This action offers beleaguered Venezuelans a chance to seat their true, democratically elected president, Edmundo González. I’ll demand answers as to why Congress and the American people were bypassed in this effort. The absence of congressional involvement prior to this action risks the continuation of the illegitimate Venezuelan regime.”
https://wassermanschultz.house.gov/news/documentsingle.aspx?DocumentID=3446

Soto
Capturing the murderous Dictator Maduro is a major step towards a #VenezuelaLibre. Now there must be concerted efforts to ensure the democratically elected Edmundo Gonzalez is seated as the rightful new president.

Trump’s failure to seek Congressional approval for these strikes raises serious questions about the legality of the mission. The Administration made multiple false promises that it would not invade Venezuela without Congressional consent.

Congress must now conduct extensive hearings on the attack and all efforts to restore democracy in Venezuela.




Moskowitz
For years, Maduro has brutally oppressed the people of Venezuela, committed human rights violations, imprisoned political opponents, and stolen elections. His actions have caused millions of Venezuelans to flee and have left millions more to suffer hunger, violence, and a lack of basic goods. No one should miss him.

However, any actions we take to end the illegitimate rule of Maduro must be in line with our Constitution. After being told by the administration that the correct congressional leaders would be briefed, there is no evidence that this took place.

I thank the men and women of our military for their courage and professionalism, and I urge that the next steps be guided by de-escalation, protection of innocent lives, regional stability, and respect for constitutional and international norms.

travelingthrulife

(4,463 posts)
67. Trump has done these same things to his own citizens as well.
Sun Jan 4, 2026, 10:20 AM
13 hrs ago

When do we get our regime change you nitwits?

I can't believe they fall for this every single time.

lapucelle

(20,943 posts)
79. So the rage bait headline doesn't accurately reflect what Democrats actually said.
Sun Jan 4, 2026, 11:30 AM
11 hrs ago

Good to know.



Cha

(316,669 posts)
96. Mahlo for Posting the FULL STATEMENTS of Our DEMS,
Sun Jan 4, 2026, 05:10 PM
6 hrs ago

Chowder!

All that "Raging" at Dems was for Nothing.

Traildogbob

(12,548 posts)
10. Zero dollars
Sat Jan 3, 2026, 07:18 PM
Yesterday

The oil will pay for it. Like Iraq. Not a dime of tax dollars. Trump promised he and his billionaire Oil folks are paying it all. Just like Rumsfeld promised. When has a Gobber lied to us? Fuck these Dems, it was an illegal invasion. Are they cool with illegal, I guess so. There was a more legal way to attack, with Congress. And regime change is still questionable. And we know damn well they all would have voted yes.
Are we gonna see footage of attack copters with Haquesbreath and Miller standing on the landing rails with automatic 5O cal guns shooting at Civilians or do they only zine the battles against fishing boats?

Traildogbob

(12,548 posts)
22. You are wrong
Sat Jan 3, 2026, 08:45 PM
Yesterday

Trump says checks are coming from tariff trillions and now oil will follow. We are gonna be rich. Screw expensive Groceries, we can all shop at Whole Foods now. Has he ever lied to us? The Iraq war was free. The Oil paid for that. Rumsfeld said so. 😉.

Easterncedar

(5,499 posts)
12. We aren't the world's policeman, he said
Sat Jan 3, 2026, 07:19 PM
Yesterday

Removing Maduro was never our job, or our right.

And all those Venezuelans in Florida who are happy about this? Are they all legal? What about the Venezuelans we have thrown into CECOT in El Salvador? Did they start caring about them yet?

SamKnause

(14,676 posts)
13. How about some fucking democracy in the United States !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Sat Jan 3, 2026, 07:20 PM
Yesterday

AZProgressive

(29,832 posts)
14. I know Maduro was a dictator who was pocketing the oil money for himself
Sat Jan 3, 2026, 07:23 PM
Yesterday

but there are dictators all over the world and some of them are US allies including Saudi Arabia and Israel has a major war criminal as head of state. There are also a lot of far right autocratic governments springing up all over the world especially in Europe and here in the United States.

As far as Latin America only the extreme right wing government of Argentina supports this. Even the right wing governments there don't support this.

This only benefits the multinational oil & gas companies. This is why the Bezos Post praised the operation. Time will tell if it benefits the people of Venezuela but with Trump in charge I don't really see him doing this for their benefit.

SamKnause

(14,676 posts)
16. If the U.S. takes over Venezuela it will be 10 times worse than it is now !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Sat Jan 3, 2026, 07:24 PM
Yesterday

The U.S. has a shitty record on spreading democracy !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The president and the administration that has the power in the U.S. does not believe in democracy.

The U.S. has been taken over by fascists and Christian Nationalists.

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BidenRocks

(2,753 posts)
19. Dump every Dem who empowers chump.
Sat Jan 3, 2026, 08:09 PM
Yesterday

Every approval tells him to push further.

We can find better.

yliza

(198 posts)
20. This article was written by Sean James, don't trust it
Sat Jan 3, 2026, 08:22 PM
Yesterday

Never trust Sean James or Isaac Schorr on Mediate, they are Magaphiles who spin everything to make the orange pustule look good and/or dems look bad. When I look at other sources I see things like “Maduro sucked, but wtf?” (I’m paraphrasing lol), which sends a very different message.

hadEnuf

(3,518 posts)
23. Do they actually think Trump is going bring democracy to Venezuela?
Sat Jan 3, 2026, 08:47 PM
Yesterday

What the fuck is wrong with some of these Democrats? Give this fascist asshole Trump NOTHING.

Fiendish Thingy

(21,965 posts)
25. I sure as hell hope the new Dem majority in 2027 has spines and the courage to call out crimes.
Sat Jan 3, 2026, 09:10 PM
Yesterday

When you’re to the right of Rand Paul, you’re on the wrong side.

FarPoint

(14,532 posts)
26. Thus, such kind of Representative tell me to NEVER
Sat Jan 3, 2026, 09:14 PM
Yesterday

donate monies ever to the DCCC......always 1:1 to candidate which I Support...


Shame on them if this is true.

yaesu

(8,948 posts)
27. Britain and Canada came out agreeing to the regime change
Sat Jan 3, 2026, 09:30 PM
Yesterday

most already cut ties with Venezuela since the 2018 election fiasco.

moniss

(8,680 posts)
29. This is bullshit it is not up to us to go around the world blasting into other
Sat Jan 3, 2026, 09:35 PM
Yesterday

countries any time we wish because we are unhappy with their government's behavior on democracy.

travelingthrulife

(4,463 posts)
68. They don't care about the regime. Hell, Trump wishes he could execute half of us.
Sun Jan 4, 2026, 10:22 AM
12 hrs ago

It is all about stealing resources.

BidenRocks

(2,753 posts)
44. Wasn't she involved with Al Franken resigning.
Sat Jan 3, 2026, 10:51 PM
Yesterday

She got all tight ass over a staged photo.

BidenRocks

(2,753 posts)
56. It was the official pile on.
Sun Jan 4, 2026, 02:10 AM
21 hrs ago

Because of Weinstein, there was no humor left for bawdiness.

I thought she was getting press over Al.

lapucelle

(20,943 posts)
85. Who is this mysterious Weinstein who decreed that there was "no humor left for bawdiness"?
Sun Jan 4, 2026, 11:45 AM
11 hrs ago

LudwigPastorius

(14,137 posts)
34. This is Trump we're talking about. It's just a concept of a promise of democracy.
Sat Jan 3, 2026, 09:49 PM
Yesterday

In reality, what Venezuelans will get will be a corrupt, Trump-approved puppet who will aid the oil companies in extracting and exporting the country's natural resources.

ColoringFool

(241 posts)
35. Not To Cast Aspersions On Elected Democrats, But The Name "Charlie Brown" Does....
Sat Jan 3, 2026, 09:58 PM
Yesterday

Come to mind.

🏈🦵

BurnDoubt

(1,434 posts)
36. Fuck NO!!!!!!
Sat Jan 3, 2026, 10:01 PM
Yesterday

This Is Wrong.
It WILL be worse for the people.
We broke it and we bought it.
WE NEVER LEARN.
Everything he touches turns to shit.
And somehow, he still makes bank.
NOT what the POTUS job is for.
DO NOT GIVE HIM PROPS.
Almost all the charges against Maduro apply to The Felon.

ColoringFool

(241 posts)
37. Simon Bolivar Is Spinning Mightily Tonight. Not Because....
Sat Jan 3, 2026, 10:04 PM
Yesterday

He would have supported Maduro (he wouldn't have) , but because of the US intervention ONCE AGAIN in Latin American countries.

angrychair

(11,660 posts)
45. Our country is garbage
Sat Jan 3, 2026, 11:26 PM
23 hrs ago

That everyone isn't universally condemning this is absolutely abhorrent. This is not good foreign policy or any kind of policy. It's a "might makes right" policy that is only as good long as no one uses it on you.

róisín_dubh

(12,228 posts)
47. Numerous House Democrats
Sat Jan 3, 2026, 11:47 PM
23 hrs ago

Are as brain dead as Trump and his supporters, and would do well to read about the history of the region before opening their fat gobs.

Marie Marie

(10,871 posts)
48. I miss the good old days when our rare involvement in regime change was done
Sat Jan 3, 2026, 11:49 PM
23 hrs ago

quietly and covertly, usually through the CIA. We did our dirty deeds in secret (at least they remained secret for a while) while still managing to mostly adhere to principles and morals as a nation. We were the White Hat Guys. Now, every evil deed that Trump does is sitting upon a mountain of past sins and shouted and boasted about the very minute he can waddle over to the nearest microphone.

No, we were never perfect as a nation but we were good and mostly set a good example of freedom and democracy to the rest of the world.

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fujiyamasan

(1,210 posts)
54. Yep it all comes back to "all politics is local"
Sun Jan 4, 2026, 12:50 AM
22 hrs ago

I’m not thrilled about anything she’s saying. Frankly it’s all pandering nonsense.

But there’s no way in hell she’d come out condemning this given the demographics of her district and state (especially if she’s making a play for higher office in Florida at some point).

Not excusing her or other democrats supporting this. We went through this twenty three years ago. I was hoping we’d have learned our lesson.

Aussie105

(7,621 posts)
53. Imagine if you will . . .
Sun Jan 4, 2026, 12:42 AM
22 hrs ago

A foreign country flies in unannounced, lands at Mar-a-Lardo and captures Dear Leader, then put him on trial back in their own country.

How would the majority of the American people react?

The mildest comment would be:
"You can't do that!"

America has no right to be judge, jury and executioner when it comes to foreign countries.
No country has that right.

American exceptionalism or just thuggery and bullying?

Hopefully this backfires on Trump and anyone who thinks this was a good idea.

If Trump decides to send in the troops, there will be resistance and American blood on foreign soil.



Indyfan53

(507 posts)
57. Primary them!
Sun Jan 4, 2026, 02:30 AM
20 hrs ago

Any “democrat” who praises this illegal move should be ousted from the party.

Mawspam2

(1,084 posts)
59. The stupids in charge.
Sun Jan 4, 2026, 03:06 AM
20 hrs ago

Because we remember how the last WAR FOR OIL worked out.

BUSH/CHENEY 2003: Saddam Hussein definitely had Weapons of Mass Destruction (Nuclear, Chemical, Biological) that he might use at some time and he had to be stopped! (Clue: UNSCOM reported that Iraq had essentially been disarmed since 1998. Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Powell, Rice cooked up and distorted intelligence so they/we could invade Iraq)

3/20/2003: US and allies invade Iraq blowing up all the oil fields.

5/1/2003: Bush puts on pilot flight suit and lands on USS Abraham Lincoln to claim the Iraq war is over. (Except it isn't)

12/18/2011: The US military finally leaves Iraq never having found any Weapons of Mass destruction.

Total cost of this folly:

4508 US military men and women killed. Brought home in caskets, buried by grieving mothers, fathers, wives, and children.
32,292 US military wounded.
47,541 US military permanently disabled.

$1.8 Trillion USDollars spent to date, with another $1 Trillion USDollars expected to be spent on Veteran Care over the next 25 years.

Who got rich? Defense contractors.

Halliburton (Dick Cheney was it's former CEO and remained a major shareholder as Vice-President) made over $140 Billion in no-bid contracts.

Blackwater, a private security company founded by Eric Prince made over $1.2 Billion in no-bid contracts. It's employees committed war crimes in executing unarmed Iraqi civilians in 2007. Those four convicted war criminals were later pardoned by - Donald Trump.

Lockheed-Martin made over $1.6 Billion in sales of planes, missiles and support, raising profits 41% in 2003.

Bechtel made over $2 Billion to repair the infrastructure shit we blew up by invading in the first place.

Let us also remember that over $9 Billion in USDollars vanished into thin air as we flew plane loads of freshly minted $100 Dollar bills to Iraq to pay off the local warlords.

Now, Donald Trump and his cast of clowns, Hegseth, Rubio, Miller, Vance, who are already war-criminals, are just going to invade Venezuela and occupy it at no cost in dollars or lives because.....

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muriel_volestrangler

(105,541 posts)
70. 23 out 24 Dem senators (plus Buttigieg) said the way Trump did it was wrong
Sun Jan 4, 2026, 10:30 AM
12 hrs ago
Here is Pete Buttigieg: “It’s an old and obvious pattern. An unpopular president – failing on the economy and losing his grip on power at home – decides to launch a war for regime change abroad. The American people don’t want to “run” a foreign country while our leaders fail to improve life in this one.”

I’ve looked to see what Democratic senators are saying on X/Twitter. One Democratic senator has supported the attack – John Fetterman, who is far away from being an establishment liberal.
...
Senator Chuck Schumer: “Nicolás Maduro is an illegitimate dictator. But launching military action without congressional authorization and without a credible plan for what comes next is reckless.” And: “The idea that Trump plans to now run Venezuela should strike fear in the hearts of all Americans. The American people have seen this before and paid the devastating price.”

Senator Mark Warner: “Our Constitution places the gravest decisions about the use of military force in the hands of Congress for a reason. Using military force to enact regime change demands the closest scrutiny, precisely because the consequences do not end with the initial strike. If the United States asserts the right to use military force to invade and capture foreign leaders it accuses of criminal conduct, what prevents China from claiming the same authority over Taiwan’s leadership? What stops Vladimir Putin from asserting similar justification to abduct Ukraine’s president? Once this line is crossed, the rules that restrain global chaos begin to collapse, and authoritarian regimes will be the first to exploit it.”
...
https://www.lawyersgunsmoneyblog.com/2026/01/the-dem-reaction

Read the whole list - some do point out Maduro was bad, but that this is an illegal way to remove him; others just say "this is illegal" or "this is dangerous".

Polybius

(21,492 posts)
86. Trump is far worse than Maduro?
Sun Jan 4, 2026, 11:58 AM
11 hrs ago

I dunno about that, but he still has 3 years left in his term.

muriel_volestrangler

(105,541 posts)
90. Rapist, conman, bombs other countries ...
Sun Jan 4, 2026, 01:08 PM
10 hrs ago

They have a liking of Putin in common. Trump tried to fix an election; Maduro probably succeeded.

AZProgressive

(29,832 posts)
99. Way worse
Sun Jan 4, 2026, 06:10 PM
5 hrs ago

The only thing holding Trump back is the constitution and federal judges but even then that isn't holding him back completely especially with the Supreme Court enabling him and also there isn't much of an opposition to him like there was in the first term which really held him back. In the book A Warning by Anonymous they were resisting his worst impulses and the book was actually a pretty good prediction on what his 2nd term would be like.

Trump is very similar to Bolsanaro who both attempted a coup to install themselves for another term but Trump doesn't want Brazil to prosecute him and wants to go after Maduro instead so Trump is motivated by ideological concerns & private business opportunities with the largest oil reserves.

Another thing is the United States has always had a peaceful transfer of power, an American President should be held to a higher standard as so called leader of the free world but Trump treats the Democrats or the "opposition party" very similar to dictators. Those actions have seen leaders replaced in coups for less than what Trump has done.

Polybius

(21,492 posts)
101. I don't think Jair Bolsonaro is worse than Maduro either
Sun Jan 4, 2026, 07:28 PM
3 hrs ago

He protested the election and said some crazy things about staying because it was stolen, but he gave up fast. What Trump did was far worse in the election aftermath and its climax, January 6th.

As for Maduro, he actually succeeded in stealing an election. Twice. He was my most hated leader in SA.

Javaman

(65,088 posts)
71. We are now a train full clowns
Sun Jan 4, 2026, 10:32 AM
12 hrs ago

And the train has completely derailed, killing many, destroying what was once a good solid train.

And some of the clowns, laying amongst the wreckage, think the ride was worth it

Clouds Passing

(6,927 posts)
72. When are those Democrats going to come take out our illegitimate president?? When? Tick tick tick tick.....
Sun Jan 4, 2026, 10:34 AM
12 hrs ago

dlk

(13,111 posts)
78. Praising the unprovoked attack of a sovereign nation makes us no better then Russia
Sun Jan 4, 2026, 11:11 AM
12 hrs ago

What are these people thinking? This gives a green light to any other country wanting to do the same and has the very real potential for a descent into world war.

Leaders have lost their minds.

in2herbs

(4,191 posts)
80. I now realize why the men in congress won't stand up to F45. F45 is a baby and the men in congress have never raised a
Sun Jan 4, 2026, 11:31 AM
11 hrs ago

child so naturally they don't know how to respond to F45.

dugog55

(363 posts)
81. Yeah, because it worked out so well in Iraq.
Sun Jan 4, 2026, 11:34 AM
11 hrs ago

Don't these people have memories that last more than 2 weeks? That Iraq War was a lie and a fiasco from the get go. It was also about nothing but OIL. Not WMDs, not a tyrannical leader, and not about bringing democracy to a country. How can they all be so thick as to forget an 18 year war that cost thousands of American lives, upwards of a million Iraqi lives, and added trillions to our national debt.

somsai

(214 posts)
83. I don't know enough about it
Sun Jan 4, 2026, 11:41 AM
11 hrs ago

but I don't like that oil, sour very very heavy. Hard to refine, lots of pollution.

ificandream

(11,679 posts)
93. I suppose I wouldn't be so alarmed at this if it wasn't such a crazy idiot who was behind it.
Sun Jan 4, 2026, 01:21 PM
10 hrs ago

The fall of Maduro is being used as a tool by Trump basically to take Epstein off the front pages. For that reason, people shouldn't be jumping on board praising Trump because he and his minions (aka Fox) will stoke that praise without discussing the real reason (Epstein) this is all happening. Doesn't anyone really think Trump cares that much about the future of Venezuela? I certainly don't.

Wiz Imp

(8,891 posts)
94. More democrat bashing bullshit
Sun Jan 4, 2026, 01:23 PM
9 hrs ago

I don't see anyone praising Trump. I see some people acknowleging that Maduro was a horrible person who was not legally elected and thus it is a positive he is gone (and probably 90% of the population of Venezuela agrees with this). Being glad Maduro is gone is NOT praising Trump.

Martin68

(27,025 posts)
95. The definition of CLICKBAIT. The title says "numerous" Democrats and the article says "some" Democrats.
Sun Jan 4, 2026, 03:13 PM
8 hrs ago

Later it says "a few" Democrats, and only 3 examples are listed.

Darnell1972

(29 posts)
103. I Wouldn't Go as far as to praise Trump but...
Sun Jan 4, 2026, 07:40 PM
3 hrs ago

While I’m not ready to join the Democratic Representatives who praised Trump, it would be a silver lining to a dark cloud if democracy comes to Venezuela. The old regime was authoritarian and thuggish. Good riddance! Now, it’s up to the people of Venezuela to choose self-governance and civil liberties.

Doodley

(11,611 posts)
106. Did they or did they not say they wanted this before it happened? If not, why are they suddenly saying this is so great?
Sun Jan 4, 2026, 08:02 PM
3 hrs ago

Ursus Rex

(473 posts)
107. On the hook for either petro dollars or Venezolano votes or both
Sun Jan 4, 2026, 08:08 PM
3 hrs ago

I’m not a fan of rich exile communities dictating foreign policy for countries they fled to protect their wealth, and of course big oil is evil.

I’m sure many of these reps are acting out of enlightened altruism and love of democracy, of course.

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