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BumRushDaShow

(157,289 posts)
Fri Jul 18, 2025, 05:02 PM Jul 18

Trump sues Murdoch, Dow Jones over WSJ story on Epstein birthday letter: court records

Source: CNBC

Published Fri, Jul 18 2025 4:49 PM EDT Updated 5 Min Ago


President Donald Trump on Friday followed through on his threat to sue media mogul Rupert Murdoch after his Wall Street Journal published an article saying that Trump sent Jeffrey Epstein a “bawdy” letter for Epstein’s 50th birthday, courts records show.

Trump filed a lawsuit alleging libel against Murdoch, the Journal’s publisher, Dow Jones, and the two reporters who wrote the article in federal court for the Southern District of Florida, according to that court’s docket. The complaint was not immediately available.

“I look forward to getting Rupert Murdoch to testify in my lawsuit against him and his ‘pile of garbage’ newspaper, the WSJ. That will be an interesting experience!!!” Trump wrote in a Truth Social post earlier Friday.

Trump on Thursday night had angrily denied writing the letter to Epstein in 2003. “The Wall Street Journal printed a FAKE letter, supposedly to Epstein,” Trump wrote in a Truth Social post that evening.

Read more: https://www.cnbc.com/2025/07/18/trump-sues-epstein-murdoch-wsj.html



Article updated.

Original article/headline -

Trump sues Murdoch, Dow Jones over Wall Street Journal story on Epstein birthday letter

Published Fri, Jul 18 2025 4:49 PM EDT Updated 3 Min Ago


President Donald Trump on Friday followed through on his threat to sue media mogul Rupert Murdoch after his Wall Street Journal published an article saying that Trump sent Jeffrey Epstein a “bawdy” letter for Epstein’s 50th birthday.

Court records show that Trump filed a lawsuit alleging libel against Murdoch, the Journal’s publisher, Dow Jones, and the reporters who wrote the article in federal court for the Southern District of Florida.

“I look forward to getting Rupert Murdoch to testify in my lawsuit against him and his ‘pile of garbage’ newspaper, the WSJ. That will be an interesting experience!!!” Trump wrote in a Truth Social post earlier Friday.

Trump on Thursday night had angrily denied writing the letter to Epstein in 2003. “The Wall Street Journal printed a FAKE letter, supposedly to Epstein,” Trump wrote in a Truth Social post that evening.
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Trump sues Murdoch, Dow Jones over WSJ story on Epstein birthday letter: court records (Original Post) BumRushDaShow Jul 18 OP
Hey, Trump! PJMcK Jul 18 #1
Taco. He'll drop it before any discovery needs to happen. Scrivener7 Jul 18 #2
If he drops it, Murdoch could counter-sue for vexacious litigation. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Jul 18 #7
Not successfully onenote Jul 18 #17
Unless the POS in the WH can show they acted with malice, and knowingly made a false statement with lostincalifornia Jul 18 #3
kelleyanne conjob strikes again??? - n/t lapfog_1 Jul 18 #4
What insane lawyer signed that frivolous pleading under FRCP Rule 11? Tarzanrock Jul 18 #5
Found This Thread On reddit r/law That You Might Appreciate... The Court System Is Now His Protection Racket MayReasonRule Jul 19 #35
He sues for frivolous reasons all the time. ShazzieB Jul 19 #40
The new f word. twodogsbarking Jul 18 #6
If you listen carefully you can hear the rattling of attorney's swords. twodogsbarking Jul 18 #8
Discovery should be fun Ritabert Jul 18 #9
Why? What do you think the Journal will be seeking to discover that would be relevant to their defense? onenote Jul 19 #34
Truth Is Generally Considered An Abolute And Complete Defense Against Defamation Claims MayReasonRule Jul 19 #37
Actually, the burden in this case is on Trump, not WSJ -- and that's why its a dangerous case for the WSJ onenote Jul 19 #38
So why is this a dangerous case for the WSJ? SCOTUS MayReasonRule Jul 19 #39
More dangerous to everyone involved with getting the story published IbogaProject Jul 19 #42
Hey Rupe! Don't forget to demand Attorneys Fees and costs! no_hypocrisy Jul 18 #10
Do I really have to root for Rupert Murdoch now? ificandream Jul 18 #11
Root for Joe Palazzolo...he's a good reporter Prairie Gates Jul 19 #25
Trump sues Wall Street Journal's publisher and 2 reporters over Epstein article LetMyPeopleVote Jul 18 #12
Maddow Blog-Following Epstein report, Trump files lawsuit against WSJ, Rupert Murdoch and others LetMyPeopleVote Jul 18 #13
If The President has immunity, he shouldn't be able to file lawsuits on his own behalf. ruet Jul 18 #14
Just do it felon, just do it. republianmushroom Jul 18 #15
id love for teh wsj to subpeona the epstein files during discovery.... moonshinegnomie Jul 18 #16
It wouldn't succeed onenote Jul 18 #18
This will get interesting orangecrush Jul 18 #19
20 years ago he was apparently more literate and articulate. Evidence of diminished capacity? Marcuse Jul 18 #20
Murdoch will 'settle' for million$ pfitz59 Jul 18 #21
News Corps BumRushDaShow Jul 19 #28
Has E. Jean Carroll been paid yet? tonekat Jul 18 #22
I wonder if trump understands choie Jul 18 #23
He'l deny he wrote the card. He admit he was friends with Epstein prior to 2004. onenote Jul 20 #43
Analysis from MSNBC's Lisa Rubin with Nicole Wallace pat_k Jul 19 #24
"seize back the narrative"... IthinkThereforeIAM Jul 19 #29
Souther District of Florida johnnyfins Jul 19 #26
My first thought when I seen the location of the filing... IthinkThereforeIAM Jul 19 #30
It's my understanding that there are only two absolute defenses in law and they concern libel and slander. MIButterfly Jul 19 #27
Good point... IthinkThereforeIAM Jul 19 #31
A country to run? lonely bird Jul 19 #36
I'm... myohmy2 Jul 19 #32
Can't wait for discovery dlk Jul 19 #33
What is the discovery phase of a libel suit kkmarie Jul 19 #41

lostincalifornia

(3,991 posts)
3. Unless the POS in the WH can show they acted with malice, and knowingly made a false statement with
Fri Jul 18, 2025, 05:09 PM
Jul 18

a disregard for the truth, good luck with that.

And just taking a pathological liars word that the story is not true, isn't good enough.


MayReasonRule

(3,584 posts)
35. Found This Thread On reddit r/law That You Might Appreciate... The Court System Is Now His Protection Racket
Sat Jul 19, 2025, 08:42 AM
Jul 19

Click Screen Shot For Full Thread

ShazzieB

(21,206 posts)
40. He sues for frivolous reasons all the time.
Sat Jul 19, 2025, 12:53 PM
Jul 19

No matter how ridiculous his claims are, he always seems to be able to find some idiot lawyer to represent him. I'm damned if I know why, but we've seen it too many times to count.

I think suing is an intimidation tactic for him, one he's relied on for years. I'm sure it's been effective for him in the past. If he still had any of his marbles left, he'd realize that the Wall Street Journal is not going to be intimidated that easily...if at all.

Furthermore, I dont believe they would have run that story unless they were absolutely sure of its veracity and had iron clad evidence that it's true. There's no way he can get them to retract this story, much less apologize to him, and in the highly unlikely event that this ever actually goes to court, he'll end up looking like an absolute fool when the WSJ produces the evidence that the story is true. The WSJ knows all this, and they're probably having a good laugh over it right now.

Basically, Schlump has painted himself into a corner here. Filing this suit was a stupid, stupid move, and I think it's just another sign of how his cognitive abilities are unraveling.

onenote

(45,491 posts)
34. Why? What do you think the Journal will be seeking to discover that would be relevant to their defense?
Sat Jul 19, 2025, 08:08 AM
Jul 19

Discovery in defamation cases typically is more important for the plaintiff than the defendant. Consider the Jean Carroll case -- she was the plaintiff and discovery was key to her case, but wasn't particularly helpful to defendant Trump.

MayReasonRule

(3,584 posts)
37. Truth Is Generally Considered An Abolute And Complete Defense Against Defamation Claims
Sat Jul 19, 2025, 08:52 AM
Jul 19

Happy Saturday to ya'!

When an allegedly defamatory statement is proven to be true, the plaintiff cannot succeed in a defamation lawsuit, regardless of the statement's potential harm or the defendant's intent.

This is because defamation, by its nature, involves a false statement of fact.

During discovery all underlying facts would be brought to bear.

The Wall Street Journal and Murdoch would not have published the piece the way they did unless they had absolute and irrefutable evidence of it's validity.

Trump and the GOP do not want this to go to discovery.
I guarantee it.

This is as idiotic as Vance demanding that The New York Times release Trump's letter.

Absolute proof is irrefutable.

This is that.

onenote

(45,491 posts)
38. Actually, the burden in this case is on Trump, not WSJ -- and that's why its a dangerous case for the WSJ
Sat Jul 19, 2025, 09:31 AM
Jul 19

Last edited Sat Jul 19, 2025, 05:04 PM - Edit history (1)

As a public figure plaintiff in a defamation suit, Trump has the burden of proving the falsity of the allegedly defamatory statement. He also must establish by clear and convincing evidence that the defendant knew it was false or recklessly disregarded whether it was true. Essentially, the defendant must have knowingly lied or willfully ignored facts that would debunk the statement. This means in practice that Trump would have to establish that the WSJ deliberately lied or fabricated information, or had obvious reason to doubt their source but failed to verify, or departed from professional standards in ways that support an inference of knowing falsity.

That's a tough row to hoe -- and it will mean Trump will push for all kinds of discovery against the defendants, including the disclosure of confidential sources -- a particularly controversial issue in such cases.

On the other hand, WSJ doesn't have the burden of proving the statement to be true in a public figure case. Often, for defendants in defamation cases, the discovery is focused on whether there was injury to the plaintiff's reputation and/or the amount of damages. In a case like this, it probably matters less, except for show, whether Trump suffered any monetary harm -- he wants "vindication" in the form of a decision that the WSJ lied.

So why is this a dangerous case for the WSJ? Because on both the issue of the malice standard and the disclosure of confidential sources, there is every reason to believe that the current SCOTUS would overrule or limit prior precedent in order to make it easier for a public figure to sue a media outlet for defamation

MayReasonRule

(3,584 posts)
39. So why is this a dangerous case for the WSJ? SCOTUS
Sat Jul 19, 2025, 10:40 AM
Jul 19

Thank you for your informed analysis!

I'm working on doing the necessary mental gymnastics to convolute the malice standard in such a way as to moot evidentiary proof of truth as an absolute defense.

I am unable.

What twists and turns might SCOTUS pronounce so as to allow such an abhorrent outcome?

IbogaProject

(4,724 posts)
42. More dangerous to everyone involved with getting the story published
Sat Jul 19, 2025, 02:41 PM
Jul 19

As he will be trying to get names in the court record to turn his followers towards.

ificandream

(11,268 posts)
11. Do I really have to root for Rupert Murdoch now?
Fri Jul 18, 2025, 05:42 PM
Jul 18

I have an incredible hatred for everything Murdoch. I guess I'm going to have to swallow this one. Rupert, you still suck, though.

LetMyPeopleVote

(166,923 posts)
12. Trump sues Wall Street Journal's publisher and 2 reporters over Epstein article
Fri Jul 18, 2025, 05:51 PM
Jul 18

The Journal published an article saying Trump sent a letter, with a drawing of a naked woman, to Jeffrey Epstein in 2003 in celebration of the financier's 50th birthday..
The discovery in this case will be fun

BREAKING: President Trump sues the Wall Street Journal's publisher and 2 reporters over an article saying Trump sent a letter to Jeffrey Epstein in 2003.

NBC News (@nbcnews.com) 2025-07-18T21:39:56Z

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/trump-sues-wall-street-journals-publisher-reporters-epstein-article-rcna219703

President Donald Trump on Friday took legal action less than 24 hours after The Wall Street Journal published an article saying Trump sent a letter to Jeffrey Epstein in 2003 that included a drawing of a naked woman.

The lawsuit named the The Wall Street Journal's parent company, its publisher, two reporters for the newspaper and Rupert Murdoch as the defendants.

The suit, filed in the Southern District of Florida, comes after Trump denied The Wall Street Journal's reporting that he had written a birthday message to Epstein more than two decades ago that featured a hand-drawn outline of a naked woman and a signature of his first name.

Dow Jones, News Corp., and the two reporters listed as defendants did not immediately respond to requests for comment Friday.

The lawsuit has not yet been filed on the court's docket.

LetMyPeopleVote

(166,923 posts)
13. Maddow Blog-Following Epstein report, Trump files lawsuit against WSJ, Rupert Murdoch and others
Fri Jul 18, 2025, 05:59 PM
Jul 18

On Thursday night, the president vowed to sue The Wall Street Journal. Less than a day later, it became clear that he wasn't bluffing.

BREAKING: Following Epstein report, Trump files lawsuit against WSJ, Rupert Murdoch and others www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddo...

MSNBC (@msnbc.com) 2025-07-18T21:15:29.728Z

https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/maddowblog/trump-sues-wsj-murdoch-epstein-birthday-letter-rcna219701

Evidently, he wasn’t kidding. CNBC reported:

President Donald Trump on Friday followed through on his threat to sue media mogul Rupert Murdoch after his Wall Street Journal published an article saying that Trump sent Jeffrey Epstein a ‘bawdy’ letter for Epstein’s 50th birthday. Court records show that Trump filed a lawsuit alleging libel against Murdoch, the Journal’s publisher, Dow Jones, and the reporters who wrote the article in federal court for the Southern District of Florida.


The civil suit comes one day after the Republican referred to the Journal as a “disgusting and filthy rag.”

According to the docket, Trump’s claims are: "Cause: 28:1332 Diversity-Libel, Assault, Slander." It was filed in the Southern District of Florida. A complaint has yet to be listed on the docket......

Thursday's report, however, appears to have taken the president's contempt for the WSJ to a new level. The Journal advanced the controversy with a new report on a 2003 birthday album, collected by former Epstein associate Ghislaine Maxwell, which reportedly included a highly provocative letter bearing Trump’s name and signature.

ruet

(10,143 posts)
14. If The President has immunity, he shouldn't be able to file lawsuits on his own behalf.
Fri Jul 18, 2025, 06:05 PM
Jul 18

It's fucking crazy!

Marcuse

(8,570 posts)
20. 20 years ago he was apparently more literate and articulate. Evidence of diminished capacity?
Fri Jul 18, 2025, 10:12 PM
Jul 18

Ghost writer? Head fake by Rupert?

BumRushDaShow

(157,289 posts)
28. News Corps
Sat Jul 19, 2025, 04:45 AM
Jul 19

still has the Smartmatic trial going on where they haven't settled yet (after they settled with Dominion for that infamous $787 million)!

tonekat

(2,293 posts)
22. Has E. Jean Carroll been paid yet?
Fri Jul 18, 2025, 10:27 PM
Jul 18

The WSJ lawyers will strip trump like piranhas, so I hope she gets her court ordered recompense before he goes bankrupt again.

choie

(5,881 posts)
23. I wonder if trump understands
Fri Jul 18, 2025, 11:00 PM
Jul 18

that Murdoch et al will be able to request discovery and he'll have to testify?

onenote

(45,491 posts)
43. He'l deny he wrote the card. He admit he was friends with Epstein prior to 2004.
Sun Jul 20, 2025, 09:58 AM
Jul 20

His lawyers will object to, and instruct him not to answer, any other questions about his relationship with Epstein on the grounds it isn't relevant to the question presented: did or did not Trump sign and send the card? The burden of proof in this case is on Trump as a public figure to prove the falsity of the story.

pat_k

(11,497 posts)
24. Analysis from MSNBC's Lisa Rubin with Nicole Wallace
Sat Jul 19, 2025, 12:06 AM
Jul 19

Analysis on 47's lawsuit from Lisa Rubin starts about 4 mins in on Nicole Wallace's show (limited given they don't have the complaint yet, but some insights on WSJ side).

IthinkThereforeIAM

(3,198 posts)
29. "seize back the narrative"...
Sat Jul 19, 2025, 07:35 AM
Jul 19

... to feed the narrative to the MAGA and QAnon disciples, "no he didn't, it's all a New York (spit patooie) hoax"!

Just adds to the chaos. I am glad the past month or so the main stream media has been mentioning that word. CHAOS. It is what the RNC/GOP has been doing in the open since Nixon. Chip... Chip...Chip... until they chip away such a big chunk that we have a constitutional crisis. Of course, we can curse The Federalist Society for giving them lots of help!

MIButterfly

(901 posts)
27. It's my understanding that there are only two absolute defenses in law and they concern libel and slander.
Sat Jul 19, 2025, 01:29 AM
Jul 19

It's not libelous or slanderous if it's TRUE.

By the way, doesn't this dumbass have a country to run? I would think he would be too busy working for the people to be filing frivolous lawsuits.

LOL! Look who I'm talking about. Sometimes I just crack myself up.

kkmarie

(280 posts)
41. What is the discovery phase of a libel suit
Sat Jul 19, 2025, 01:20 PM
Jul 19
Discovery:
Both parties engage in discovery, a process of gathering information relevant to the case.
This includes:
Interrogatories: Written questions that one party sends to the other, requiring answers under oath.
Document Requests: Requests for documents and other evidence related to the case.
Depositions: Sworn testimony taken outside of court, where witnesses are questioned under oath.


The discovery phase may lead to seeing some of the Epstein files.
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