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BumRushDaShow

(153,109 posts)
Sat May 24, 2025, 11:43 AM Saturday

Dermatologists say Marines' tightened shaving waiver could hurt Black members' careers

Source: NBC News

May 24, 2025, 7:00 AM EDT


Air Force veteran Ed Anderson can’t recall any time past puberty when he didn’t get razor bumps after shaving his face. His coarse facial hair would often cause painful inflammation and itchy bumps as it grew back. Anderson, now 70, remembers requesting a shaving waiver when he entered the service in 1975, allowing him to bypass the military’s requirements for men to be clean-shaven.

For him and other Black airmen, the waivers became a symbol of unity. “It was seen as an identifier of solidarity with other Black GIs having that shaving waiver,” Anderson said. The military as a whole began issuing these waivers in the 1970s, with the Navy taking the strongest approach in 1970 to allow the elective wearing of beards to address medical conditions. But the policies of the different branches have changed multiple times since then. Now, a new U.S. Marine Corps grooming policy that affects people with curly or coarse hair is drawing ire from critics who say it targets Black men.

The guidance, issued in March, states that a diagnosis of pseudofolliculitis barbae, or PFB, a skin condition more commonly known as razor bumps or ingrown hairs, could lead to a service member’s expulsion from the branch if the issue persists. The U.S. Air Force also updated its guidance on PFB earlier this year, saying shaving waivers will expire 90 days after an airman’s next annual health assessment. But the requirements for those who may still qualify for a waiver remain unclear.

The condition affects up to 60% of Black men, according to the American Osteopathic College of Dermatology, a far higher rate than for any other group. Anderson said he sees the move as yet another example of “ongoing attacks” on diversity, equity and inclusion initiatives in the federal government. “It’s mostly soldiers of color who are impacted by this,” he said. “I don’t see this as a productive and effective means of retaining and recruiting troops.”

Read more: https://www.nbcnews.com/news/nbcblk/dermatologists-say-marines-tightened-shaving-waiver-hurt-black-members-rcna208090

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Dermatologists say Marines' tightened shaving waiver could hurt Black members' careers (Original Post) BumRushDaShow Saturday OP
The things the Right find to complain about.... KatyaR Saturday #1
I dunno? These guys must have never heard od "Magic Shave", long know in the Blaci communnity for getting clean shaves.. brush Saturday #3
Magic shave is toxic... Blackbydemand2008 Saturday #6
News to me. Not confrimed you say? I've used if for years with no negative reactions. As have many others. brush Saturday #8
Cancer causing agents don't work that way... druidity33 Saturday #10
insidious indeed Be Leave On Saturday #18
Welcome to DU LetMyPeopleVote Sunday #24
Or FEMA assistance to tornado victims BonnieJW Saturday #13
My nephew, who was white, could only shave two or three times a week because he'd get bumps. greatauntoftriplets Saturday #2
In the 28 years I was in the Army, it was common for black soldiers to have shaving profiles. TomSlick Saturday #4
It's these subtle little changes that undermine JMCKUSICK Saturday #5
I predicted this a while ago jmowreader Saturday #7
If Pete the Gleet could grow a beard Seinan Sensei Saturday #9
Hey Petey is so a manly man! BonnieJW Saturday #15
The ONLY real-world reason I could possible think of to demand that soldiers be clean shaven is... LudwigPastorius Saturday #11
JFC, is there a single aspect of our lives that these hate-filled, niyad Saturday #12
If you want the military to do KKK cleansing of domestic areas with African Americans.... JT45242 Saturday #14
The goal is to destroy the careers of POC, women, LGBT, etc. Irish_Dem Saturday #16
"It's mostly soldiers of color who are impacted by this" Mostly, maybe, but not only DFW Saturday #17
I have so little body hair I should have been a General. twodogsbarking Saturday #19
I hate shaving as I have sensitive skin of course I also hate having a beard so I'm kinda FUBAR 😆 cstanleytech Saturday #20
So do you perpetually have the BumRushDaShow Saturday #21
No but it gets to the point every few days where I have to shave or scratch my own face off to stop the itching. cstanleytech Sunday #23
WTF Skittles Saturday #22

KatyaR

(3,591 posts)
1. The things the Right find to complain about....
Sat May 24, 2025, 11:54 AM
Saturday

I guess a soldier's beard is more important than providing education, food, and health care for children and adults.

brush

(59,984 posts)
3. I dunno? These guys must have never heard od "Magic Shave", long know in the Blaci communnity for getting clean shaves..
Sat May 24, 2025, 12:21 PM
Saturday

Last edited Sat May 24, 2025, 01:08 PM - Edit history (1)

with no razor bumps. It's been advertised in all the Black magazines like Ebony, Jet and others for decades.

6. Magic shave is toxic...
Sat May 24, 2025, 12:58 PM
Saturday

Magic Shave has been linked but not confirmed to cause cancer. Also, it triggers severe allergic reactions in many people.

brush

(59,984 posts)
8. News to me. Not confrimed you say? I've used if for years with no negative reactions. As have many others.
Sat May 24, 2025, 01:10 PM
Saturday

druidity33

(6,727 posts)
10. Cancer causing agents don't work that way...
Sat May 24, 2025, 01:26 PM
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they're insidious. When you "use something for years" is when you should be most worried. Think Talcum powder, which of course EVERYONE thought was so safe we put it on babies... and on our most sensitive areas.



Be Leave On

(204 posts)
18. insidious indeed
Sat May 24, 2025, 02:48 PM
Saturday

They were used for years before doctors quit advertising for Chesterfield King cigarettes.

greatauntoftriplets

(177,680 posts)
2. My nephew, who was white, could only shave two or three times a week because he'd get bumps.
Sat May 24, 2025, 12:06 PM
Saturday

He had a waiver when he was in the Army from about 1998 to 2002.

TomSlick

(12,418 posts)
4. In the 28 years I was in the Army, it was common for black soldiers to have shaving profiles.
Sat May 24, 2025, 12:29 PM
Saturday

In that time, I never saw an instance where a soldier with a shaving profile looked unprofessional as a result.

Black servicemen would rather shave than draw attention to themselves for being "on profile." Soldiers got shaving profiles only if they had to do so.

This is just a way to suppress black people from service.

JMCKUSICK

(2,463 posts)
5. It's these subtle little changes that undermine
Sat May 24, 2025, 12:45 PM
Saturday

the Jenga tower which is then toppled by the ones we scream about. It's overwhelming.

Seinan Sensei

(975 posts)
9. If Pete the Gleet could grow a beard
Sat May 24, 2025, 01:22 PM
Saturday

... then you could bet your bottom-dollar that shaving profiles would be a-okay
I would have thought that macho-man Petey would defer to actual manly-men who actually grow beards.

BonnieJW

(2,898 posts)
15. Hey Petey is so a manly man!
Sat May 24, 2025, 02:20 PM
Saturday

He has racist tattoos. assaults women, and has been married 3 times. He also cheats on his wives. How can you say he isn't manly?!

LudwigPastorius

(12,509 posts)
11. The ONLY real-world reason I could possible think of to demand that soldiers be clean shaven is...
Sat May 24, 2025, 01:37 PM
Saturday

to ensure that a gas mask doesn't leak.

But, given that fact that waivers were routine for years, this stinks of Trumpist racism.

niyad

(123,870 posts)
12. JFC, is there a single aspect of our lives that these hate-filled,
Sat May 24, 2025, 01:41 PM
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authoritarian scum have not thought to go after?

JT45242

(3,344 posts)
14. If you want the military to do KKK cleansing of domestic areas with African Americans....
Sat May 24, 2025, 02:18 PM
Saturday

You need to get the people who look like what you are going to dehumanize out of the military.

This is yet another step towards using the military on US civilians.

The camps are coming...it's a matter of when not if at this point.

Irish_Dem

(69,973 posts)
16. The goal is to destroy the careers of POC, women, LGBT, etc.
Sat May 24, 2025, 02:37 PM
Saturday

Only christian white males will be in the US military.

DFW

(58,070 posts)
17. "It's mostly soldiers of color who are impacted by this" Mostly, maybe, but not only
Sat May 24, 2025, 02:44 PM
Saturday

I suffer from it as well. I also suffered from my high schools (2 different in 11th, and 12th grades) pressuring me to shave, them being totally indifferent to the fact that if I shaved, my face would turn bright red like a boiled lobster. I bent in 11th grade, stopped bending in 12th grade. There were two guys in my graduating class with beards. One was a libertarian right wing type, so he was tolerated. I was not, and so the pressure, while not quite reaching the level of mobbing or harassment, was relentless. As a partial revenge, at graduation, when we were herded together for the class picture, my brother, one class below me, and at a rival school, who was next to me, tried to scramble over the arrogant jocks to be out of the way when the picture was taken. No one would let by, and I said, "look, the school doesn't care about us anyway, so stay put. I bet they'll never notice." Indeed, they never did. I let word filter up about six months later, but they were so indifferent, me being no Republican president's son, to this day, no one ever figured out who the ringer in the photo was.

My high school social life, never the subject of sitcoms to begin with, dropped to flatlining until I stopped shaving. Indeed, my last year of high school, the school paper ran an article about how the girls' school down the road considered us "Freaks, Jocks, and Zeroes," and then ran a photo of me under the headline (and they wonder why I never send them alumni contributions). It didn't take me long to not give a rat's ass if their alumni were put off about one of their students having a beard (this was 1970, after all) or not. That kind of emotional scar lasts a lifetime, and I never forgot it. I stood in unshaven solidarity with every beard-wearer I ever met since.

cstanleytech

(27,615 posts)
20. I hate shaving as I have sensitive skin of course I also hate having a beard so I'm kinda FUBAR 😆
Sat May 24, 2025, 05:52 PM
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cstanleytech

(27,615 posts)
23. No but it gets to the point every few days where I have to shave or scratch my own face off to stop the itching.
Sun May 25, 2025, 02:41 AM
Sunday

Skittles

(164,443 posts)
22. WTF
Sat May 24, 2025, 06:21 PM
Saturday

when I was in the Air Force you'd see some some airmen with very closely-cropped facial hair - PROBLEM SOLVED. As someone who worked in a base personnel office I sometimes ADVISED guys about this condition (those bumps look very painful indeed). This is just more repuke cruelty.

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