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highplainsdem

(55,433 posts)
Thu Mar 13, 2025, 11:07 AM Mar 13

NASA, Yale, and Stanford Scientists Consider 'Scientific Exile,' French University Says

Source: 404 Media

Last week, Aix Marseille University, France’s largest university, invited American scientists who believe their work is at risk of being censored by Donald Trump administration’s anti-science policies to continue their research in France. Today, the university announced that it is already seeing great interest from scientists at NASA, Yale, Stanford, and other American schools and government agencies, and that it wants to expand the program to other schools and European countries to absorb all the researchers who want to leave the United States.

“We are witnessing a new brain drain,” Éric Berton, Aix Marseille University’s president, said in a press release. “We will do everything in our power to help as many scientists as possible continue their research. However, we cannot meet all demands on our own. The Ministry of Education and Research is fully supporting and assisting us in this effort, which is intended to expand at both national and European levels.”

The press release from the university claims that researchers from Stanford, Yale, NASA, the National Institute of Health, George Washington University, “and about 15 other prestigious institutions," are now considering “scientific exile.” More than 40 American scientists have expressed interest in the program, it said. Their key research areas are “health (LGBT+ medicine, epidemiology, infectious diseases, inequalities, immunology, etc.), environment and climate change (natural disaster management, greenhouse gases, social impact, artificial intelligence), humanities and social sciences (communication, psychology, history, cultural heritage), astrophysics.”

“The current Executive Orders have led to a termination of one of my research grants. While it was not a lot of money, it was a high profile, large national study,” one researcher who has reached out to Aix Marseille University in order to take advantage of the program told me. 404 Media granted the researcher anonymity because speaking about the program might jeopardize their current position at a leading American university. “While I have not had to lay off staff as a result of that particular cancellation, I will have to lay off staff if additional projects are terminated. Everything I focus on is now a banned word.”

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Read more: https://www.404media.co/nasa-yale-and-stanford-scientists-consider-scientific-exile-french-university-says/



It's a fairly small program at this point, offering to fund 15 scientists with 15 million euros, offering help to the scientists and their families with "employment, housing, school access, transportation, and visas."

The program's called "Safe Place for Science" - and how shameful that with the Trump thugocracy, the US is no longer as safe a place for science as it was just two months ago.
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NASA, Yale, and Stanford Scientists Consider 'Scientific Exile,' French University Says (Original Post) highplainsdem Mar 13 OP
Wouldn't you? no_hypocrisy Mar 13 #1
I'd definitely consider it if I was a scientist whose work was in jeopardy here. highplainsdem Mar 13 #2
In a heartbeat. ❤️ littlemissmartypants Mar 13 #10
The United States of America are being hollowed out bucolic_frolic Mar 13 #3
As a side note; DENVERPOPS Mar 13 #21
Yeah, they go for the oil bucolic_frolic Mar 13 #30
The brain and experience drain that blind layoffs and defunding will take a decade or more to undo.... dutch777 Mar 13 #4
Please come to Canada. Canada is high tech, high science ... and high touch: nature, food, music, etc. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Mar 13 #5
Great 3auld6phart Mar 13 #17
You have my all time favorite guitarist, Harry Manx. Phoenix61 Mar 13 #19
Old Joke DENVERPOPS Mar 13 #26
Funny joke structure that has many permutations. Thanks for the chuckle. . . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Mar 13 #31
GO...please! We can't snuff out brilliant minds PortTack Mar 13 #6
This is yet another thing I was afraid of with Trump SpankMe Mar 13 #7
This is a very important post. NNadir Mar 13 #8
Soon, very soon now, the USA will turn into Mississippi... malthaussen Mar 13 #9
Admitting the South back into the Union quickly as states was a mistake LS0999 Mar 13 #15
I frequently talk here about PoindexterOglethorpe Mar 13 #11
Michener's novel, "Space" PeteyTanker Mar 13 #12
Thank you, France! wordstroken Mar 13 #13
I really wish Falconry Mar 13 #14
It's going to be up to the states to lead the resistance. LS0999 Mar 13 #16
Great idea. Like the kind of consortium that yorkster Mar 13 #25
In Cambodia, when an extremist took over, anyone wearing glasses was a target. . . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Mar 13 #18
If the zone wasn't flooded, would this be a huge news event? SleeplessinSoCal Mar 13 #20
Brain Drain Johnny999r Mar 14 #33
Had a weird, almost out of body feeling on yorkster Mar 13 #22
i hope they move the climate datum off shore again. AllaN01Bear Mar 13 #23
Thank you to everyone inviting American scientists to continue their research. Solly Mack Mar 13 #24
Who wouldn't? SheltieLover Mar 13 #27
America is going to see a huge brain drain. sinkingfeeling Mar 13 #28
I keep trying, but really have no words. Just that I am grateful for France stepping up... Hekate Mar 13 #29
It's so dispiriting drumphf's ignorant, anti-Science stance. I'm glad France is offering this electric_blue68 Mar 14 #32

DENVERPOPS

(11,760 posts)
21. As a side note;
Thu Mar 13, 2025, 02:02 PM
Mar 13

The IRS for the past years, has noted an ever increasing number of UBER RICH already becoming Ex-Pats....Mostly going to Dubai and the Scandinavian countries........

dutch777

(4,236 posts)
4. The brain and experience drain that blind layoffs and defunding will take a decade or more to undo....
Thu Mar 13, 2025, 11:16 AM
Mar 13

...assuming some level of sanity returns to the government. If you are a talent and those talents can be hired by others at equal pay and without the eLoon overlord looking over your shoulder, many will simply move on. It's a hassle to change jobs but its clear staying under Ding Dong Donnie's regime will be a bigger and longer term hassle.

Bernardo de La Paz

(54,741 posts)
5. Please come to Canada. Canada is high tech, high science ... and high touch: nature, food, music, etc. . . . nt
Thu Mar 13, 2025, 11:31 AM
Mar 13

3auld6phart

(1,500 posts)
17. Great
Thu Mar 13, 2025, 01:47 PM
Mar 13
suggestion . I was going to respond to that.also. We have some great schools of higher Learning up here.i am sure they would offer toto help. That is very generous of France. … Americas loss, though… jeezus evey Dept is lead by an incompetent imbecile or some toady odrumpfh/ Putin.

Phoenix61

(18,267 posts)
19. You have my all time favorite guitarist, Harry Manx.
Thu Mar 13, 2025, 01:58 PM
Mar 13

If you ever get the chance to see him go.

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DENVERPOPS

(11,760 posts)
26. Old Joke
Thu Mar 13, 2025, 02:07 PM
Mar 13

about a Corporate Executive sending a junior executive to Canada to run a corporate branch of the Company.
The Junior Executive protests, proclaiming that Canada is full of whores and hockey players.........
The Top executives says: My wife is Canadian!!!!!!!!!! To which the Jr. Exec says: What position did she play...?????????.....

SpankMe

(3,429 posts)
7. This is yet another thing I was afraid of with Trump
Thu Mar 13, 2025, 12:02 PM
Mar 13

The US will lose its supremacy as a scientific and technology powerhouse. All of the new constraints on US-gov't funded research where you can't use certain words, the elimination of climate research, gender research, vaccine and disease research, the list goes on. Other countries will pick up the mantle - and will hire US scientists - and will soon dominate that landscape.

If this runaway train of destruction can't be stopped and reversed, we'll be a third rate country in 4 years.

malthaussen

(18,072 posts)
9. Soon, very soon now, the USA will turn into Mississippi...
Thu Mar 13, 2025, 12:35 PM
Mar 13

... or Texas, or Florida. One of those MAGA paradises with a Bible in every classroom and no intelligentsia at all. Just good Amurrikan values.

-- Mal

LS0999

(152 posts)
15. Admitting the South back into the Union quickly as states was a mistake
Thu Mar 13, 2025, 01:43 PM
Mar 13

They should have been administered as unincorporated federal territory and undergone reconstruction for a 100 years before they are even considered eligible for statehood.

PoindexterOglethorpe

(27,747 posts)
11. I frequently talk here about
Thu Mar 13, 2025, 12:50 PM
Mar 13

My Son The Astronomer. He is finishing up the final revisions on his thesis, and will be looking for a job. I keep telling him to apply overseas.

PeteyTanker

(8 posts)
12. Michener's novel, "Space"
Thu Mar 13, 2025, 01:02 PM
Mar 13

touched on this very topic. The educational system was so degraded by a cult leader that people were having to send their children to Europe to get a decent education. Art predicting life?

Falconry

(19 posts)
14. I really wish
Thu Mar 13, 2025, 01:35 PM
Mar 13

states like NY, MA, MD, VA, CA, IL, OR, WA, HA and others would band together and hire these folks. We could set up some kind of regional agencies to keep these folks employed doing what they do to help those of us who actually believe in science and technology.

Everything the Orange Anus touches gets ruined. Everything.

LS0999

(152 posts)
16. It's going to be up to the states to lead the resistance.
Thu Mar 13, 2025, 01:46 PM
Mar 13

Congress and the courts have ceded power to the Felon Bros.

yorkster

(2,948 posts)
25. Great idea. Like the kind of consortium that
Thu Mar 13, 2025, 02:06 PM
Mar 13

was formed during Covid to help states get PPE, masks respirators etc.

SleeplessinSoCal

(10,041 posts)
20. If the zone wasn't flooded, would this be a huge news event?
Thu Mar 13, 2025, 02:02 PM
Mar 13

I fear our populace is so dumbed down and conspiracy laden that they may approve of the brain drain.

Johnny999r

(117 posts)
33. Brain Drain
Fri Mar 14, 2025, 02:24 AM
Mar 14

My wife an I discussed ways to move abroad after Trump was re-elected. However, we are elderly and are middle class financially. Due to this, I doubt very much a European country or Canada would consider us for relocation. I like the Canadian people very much, I interacted with quite a few of them during my travels as an international sales manager for a company based in LA. I've also called on customers in Europe and Asia, including China multiple times. I have no desire to live in Asia, especially China. Anyway, Trump is ripping apart the soul of America, fucking lying con artist.

yorkster

(2,948 posts)
22. Had a weird, almost out of body feeling on
Thu Mar 13, 2025, 02:03 PM
Mar 13

reading this headline, as if I were in another time and place and not a good place.
Then, reality clicked in and I knew this to be a very good thing, however sad it's necessity.

Hekate

(97,244 posts)
29. I keep trying, but really have no words. Just that I am grateful for France stepping up...
Thu Mar 13, 2025, 02:34 PM
Mar 13

This used to be us. Formerly. Once upon a time.

Before Uncle Sam got defenestrated from a skyscraper in Moscow by trumpPutinmusk.

electric_blue68

(20,848 posts)
32. It's so dispiriting drumphf's ignorant, anti-Science stance. I'm glad France is offering this
Fri Mar 14, 2025, 12:41 AM
Mar 14

Of, course, terrible to see our scientists depart, but necessary.

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