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BumRushDaShow

(150,929 posts)
Sun Mar 9, 2025, 06:48 AM Mar 9

DHS administering lie detector tests to employees in effort to find leakers

Source: CBS News

March 8, 2025 / 7:37 PM EST


The Department of Homeland Security is administering polygraph tests to its personnel to determine who may be leaking information to the media about its ongoing immigration raids, an agency spokesperson confirmed to CBS News Saturday.

On Feb. 18, Homeland Security Secretary Kristi Noem said DHS would start polygraphing employees in order to crack down on these leaks.

In a video posted to social media Friday, Noem wrote that the department had "identified two leakers of information here at the Department of Homeland Security who have been telling individuals about our operations and putting law enforcement lives in jeopardy. We plan to prosecute these two individuals and hold them accountable for what they've done."

The polygraph tests have been taking place for about three weeks, the DHS spokesperson told CBS News. It's unclear how many employees have undergone them. Since January, the White House has been aggressive in its efforts to fulfill President Trump's campaign vow of cracking down on illegal immigration and enacting mass deportations of undocumented immigrants.

Read more: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/dhs-lie-detector-tests-employees-leakers-immigration-raids/

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DHS administering lie detector tests to employees in effort to find leakers (Original Post) BumRushDaShow Mar 9 OP
LMAO. Start weighing ducks next. Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition! AmericaUnderSiege Mar 9 #1
... BumRushDaShow Mar 9 #3
Yep! OldBaldy1701E Mar 10 #29
Those tests are notoriously unreliable. NotHardly Mar 9 #9
Demand Norm take one. Sounds fair to me. multigraincracker Mar 9 #2
They should have been doing it during the Obama admin. "Have you ever had the desire to overthrow the U.S. Government?" LiberalArkie Mar 9 #4
Polygraphs don't work though. AmericaUnderSiege Mar 9 #17
It would have probably caught the ones that did the J6. Sure you can lie as long as you can keep your BP and HR and LiberalArkie Mar 9 #19
J6 were a stochastic terrorist mob. AmericaUnderSiege Mar 9 #20
I said it before johnnyfins Mar 9 #5
They didnt get any leakers johnnyfins Mar 9 #6
I know why Noem makes me especially johnnyfins Mar 9 #7
Sounds like a great deal of wasted money. What a shitshow. Martin68 Mar 9 #8
"Democracy Dies In Darkness" JohnnyRingo Mar 9 #10
Big news here in South Dakota... IthinkThereforeIAM Mar 9 #11
Wow! Noem is cruel AND corrupt???? johnnyfins Mar 9 #13
Leakers have not put enforcement lives in jeopardy. Random and haphazard firing of enforcement officials has put Martin68 Mar 9 #12
Good news is that there will ALWAYS be johnnyfins Mar 9 #14
First people on the lie dectector should be Musk and Big Balls mdbl Mar 9 #15
i think they might pass because you have to have a conscience MadameButterfly Mar 9 #22
Who WOULDN'T want to work here!!! Grins Mar 9 #16
This is a HUGE deal and let me explain why... Don1 Mar 9 #18
A lot of people would fail nowdays because of the stress MadameButterfly Mar 9 #23
And since those things are not 100% reliable DFW Mar 9 #21
bunch of freaks 4catsmom Mar 9 #24
Polygraph tests don't work Mosby Mar 9 #25
If ANY Traildogbob Mar 9 #26
They do know lie-detector tests are inadmissible in court, right? Right? sakabatou Mar 9 #27
I thought we already knew it was Dick Cheney and his friends at the Saudi Embassy ?? nt eppur_se_muova Mar 10 #28
 

AmericaUnderSiege

(777 posts)
1. LMAO. Start weighing ducks next. Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition!
Sun Mar 9, 2025, 07:07 AM
Mar 9

Hopefully they realize their bosses have retroactively switched sides in WW2.

OldBaldy1701E

(7,674 posts)
29. Yep!
Mon Mar 10, 2025, 06:55 AM
Mar 10

And, when you look at the cast, that is saying something! He stole that film!

They were all great in this film. It is one of my absolute favorites of all time.

NotHardly

(2,065 posts)
9. Those tests are notoriously unreliable.
Sun Mar 9, 2025, 11:58 AM
Mar 9

Years ago, I saw a guy interrogate a potted plant ... the results said the plant was lying.

https://www.scienceofpeople.com/lie-detector-test/

LiberalArkie

(17,964 posts)
4. They should have been doing it during the Obama admin. "Have you ever had the desire to overthrow the U.S. Government?"
Sun Mar 9, 2025, 08:40 AM
Mar 9
 

AmericaUnderSiege

(777 posts)
17. Polygraphs don't work though.
Sun Mar 9, 2025, 03:48 PM
Mar 9

Especially against psychopaths. They'll tell you their mother was a spider and the needle won't budge. Republican apparatchiks to a tee.

LiberalArkie

(17,964 posts)
19. It would have probably caught the ones that did the J6. Sure you can lie as long as you can keep your BP and HR and
Sun Mar 9, 2025, 03:50 PM
Mar 9

other things under control. But I do not think the nuts at the J6 party would have been able to.

 

AmericaUnderSiege

(777 posts)
20. J6 were a stochastic terrorist mob.
Sun Mar 9, 2025, 03:55 PM
Mar 9

It's one of those "budget conscious" things Republicans always bitching about. They don't need to send their precious little mercenary enforcers after Americans, they can just send a tweet and have morons commit felonies in their name.

johnnyfins

(1,976 posts)
7. I know why Noem makes me especially
Sun Mar 9, 2025, 10:52 AM
Mar 9

Nauseous. I think she ENJOYS the cruelty. The worst Nazis were the ones who actually enjoyed what they were doing.

JohnnyRingo

(19,847 posts)
10. "Democracy Dies In Darkness"
Sun Mar 9, 2025, 12:03 PM
Mar 9

Noem wants Homeland Security to act from behind a Kevlar Kurtain, a bureaucratic black hole from which no information can escape.
Then, and only then, can the department work completely without judicial or congressional oversight.

IthinkThereforeIAM

(3,170 posts)
11. Big news here in South Dakota...
Sun Mar 9, 2025, 12:11 PM
Mar 9

... not sure if the national press has been reporting it:

"Noem’s credit card records, revealing over $600,000 in charges for high-end hotels, vehicle rentals, and meals, were made public after she resigned to join President Donald Trump’s cabinet — far outpacing her predecessor Dennis Daugaard."

https://www.gowatertown.net/former-gov-noem-rolled-up-600k-in-credit-card-bills-before-leaving-office/]

"Since KELOLAND News is just beginning to review the documents, this first report is limited in its scope, zeroing in only on lodging for one of Noem’s trips. Additional reporting will publish in the coming days."

https://www.keloland.com/news/local-news/records-reveal-noems-state-credit-card-spending/

]

"PIERRE, S.D. (AP) — Family members of South Dakota Gov. Kristi Noem received more than $600,000 in funds from a state grant program pushed by the governor that directed federal coronavirus relief funds to small businesses."

https://apnews.com/article/business-small-business-south-dakota-coronavirus-pandemic-kristi-noem-cd19956faf1a20de3890b9638f5605a1

Martin68

(25,465 posts)
12. Leakers have not put enforcement lives in jeopardy. Random and haphazard firing of enforcement officials has put
Sun Mar 9, 2025, 12:57 PM
Mar 9

enforcement gives at risk. Publishing the names and information about national security personnel by DOGE has put national security at risk.

johnnyfins

(1,976 posts)
14. Good news is that there will ALWAYS be
Sun Mar 9, 2025, 01:07 PM
Mar 9

Leakers. Impossible to stop. Especially when your policies go against the constitution and basic human rights/empathy.

mdbl

(6,205 posts)
15. First people on the lie dectector should be Musk and Big Balls
Sun Mar 9, 2025, 02:47 PM
Mar 9

to see what they are really doing with our information.

MadameButterfly

(2,833 posts)
22. i think they might pass because you have to have a conscience
Sun Mar 9, 2025, 05:36 PM
Mar 9

and/or shame or expect the law to apply. to you to be nervous

Grins

(8,238 posts)
16. Who WOULDN'T want to work here!!!
Sun Mar 9, 2025, 03:20 PM
Mar 9

Good Luck hiring anyone to work for the government ever again!!

Don1

(1,664 posts)
18. This is a HUGE deal and let me explain why...
Sun Mar 9, 2025, 03:49 PM
Mar 9

Most people know that polygraphs are notoriously unreliable and cannot be used in court, but that isn't the problem. Most of the time that they do not work well it is because of the sensitivity of the tests. Anything that triggers a person emotionally and/or makes them feel guilty could show up in the tests because of this kind of false positive error.

Imagine an employee is asked if they had ever leaked anything, but there was one time they thought that what they were doing was following a questionable order and merely thought about blowing the whistle. This could show up in a polygraph. But it's far more broad than that--many other things could evoke an emotional and guilty feeling depending on the person and situation, from voting once for a Democrat and not telling co-workers, to disliking some of Noem's or Trump's policies to strongly disagreeing with something their manager said that morning.

What happens next is the polygraph administrator will ask the employee what they were thinking about at the time or if there is anything to confess. The employee then might spill the beans like "Okay, I admit it. This time I didn't vote for Trump" or "One time I thought about blowing the whistle because I had to separate a child from their parents" or "I personally know a news reporter."

Doing these confessions can then cause the employee to pass the test in another attempt or they could simply continue to fail because of the sensitivity problem. Either way, this results in a lot of new information about the employee.

What do the managers, Noem, and/or Trump do with this information next now that they know? Does the employee get fired for "performance" reasons?

What would be the end result: storm troopers with no consciences? only completely loyal MAGAs?

MadameButterfly

(2,833 posts)
23. A lot of people would fail nowdays because of the stress
Sun Mar 9, 2025, 05:42 PM
Mar 9

of living under Trump, jobs at risk, finances at risk for many reasons, loyalty tests, democracy at risk, etc.
I'm suspect I'd fail a polygraph test no matter what you ask me. And from any of those Nazis? Guaranteed fail.

DFW

(57,760 posts)
21. And since those things are not 100% reliable
Sun Mar 9, 2025, 04:25 PM
Mar 9

They might catch a leaker or two, and they could just as easily end up tossing out an innocent true believer Trumpanzee who can't believe the system betrayed him.

So, go ahead, polygraph everyone, and be just as wise as you were before.

Mosby

(18,372 posts)
25. Polygraph tests don't work
Sun Mar 9, 2025, 06:10 PM
Mar 9

Last edited Sun Mar 9, 2025, 09:04 PM - Edit history (1)

It's pseudoscience.

Eta - it's really remarkable how much power ideas can have. Machine assisted lie detection is a perfect example.

Do people still believe in "truth serum"?

Traildogbob

(10,952 posts)
26. If ANY
Sun Mar 9, 2025, 06:21 PM
Mar 9

Trump appointee gets within 100 yards of a lie detector test machine it will blow up. Especially this dog killing freak. Did she eat it??? Or was she gonna pay her immigrate workers with the meat?

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