MRNA vaccines now face attacks from some in the GOP

[BumRushDaShow]

Source: ABC News

March 8, 2025, 5:09 AM


Researchers racing to develop bird flu vaccines for humans have turned to a cutting-edge technology that enabled the rapid development of lifesaving COVID shots. There's a catch: The mRNA technology faces growing doubts among Republicans, including people around President Donald Trump.

Legislation aimed to ban or limit mRNA vaccines was introduced this year by GOP lawmakers in at least seven states. In some cases, the measures would hit doctors who give the injections with criminal penalties, fines, and possible revocation of their licenses. Some congressional Republicans are also pressing regulators to revoke federal approval for mRNA-based COVID shots, which President Donald Trump touted as one of the signature achievements of his first term.

The opposition comes at a critical juncture because vaccines using mRNA have applications well beyond avian flu and COVID. They hold the promise of lifesaving breakthroughs to treat many diseases, from melanoma to HIV to Zika, according to clinical trials. The proposed bans could block access to these advances.

MRNA is found naturally in human cells. It is a molecule that carries genetic material and, in a vaccine, trains the body's immune system to fight viruses, cancer cells and other conditions. An advantage of mRNA technology is that it can be developed more quickly to target specific variants and is safer than developing a vaccine made from inactivated virus.

Read more: https://abcnews.go.com/Health/mrna-vaccines-now-face-attacks-gop/story?id=119553285

[Strelnikov_]

1. "It doesn't have Electrolytes?"

[NotHardly]

2. These idiots will kill us all in their ignorance.

[Mysterian]

3. And ask them what is their scientific basis for banning them...

"I saw a podcast."

[BumRushDaShow]

6. That's become the new

"I saw it on Facebook".

[womanofthehills]

8. Yale LISTEN study

Yale LISTEN study - News.Yale.edu

“Immune markers of post-vaccination syndrome indicate future research directions”

“Some of the most common chronic symptoms of PVS include exercise intolerance, excessive fatigue, brain fog, insomnia, and dizziness. They develop shortly after vaccination, within a day or two, can become more severe in the days that follow, and persist over time. More studies are needed to understand the prevalence of PVS.”

Data for the study came from Yale’s Listen to Immune, Symptom, and Treatment Experiences Now (LISTEN) Study, through which researchers aim to better understand long COVID and PVS. For the new study, researchers included data from 42 LISTEN participants who reported symptoms of PVS and 22 individuals who did not report any PVS symptoms after receiving a COVID-19 vaccination.

From participants’ blood samples, the researchers looked for immune features that were different between the two groups. They found several differences in immune cell populations; those with PVS had lower levels of effector CD4+ T cells and higher levels of TNF-alpha+ CD8 T cells — both are types of white blood cells — among other differences.

https://news.yale.edu/2025/02/19/immune-markers-post-vaccination-syndrome-indicate-future-research-directions

[NickB79]

10. It's already being called into question

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100220118241

But experts urged caution when interpreting these results before the study can be verified and peer-reviewed. For one, the study used a small sample size, with only 42 people (and 22 healthy control subjects) self-identifying their symptoms, explained Dr. E. John Wherry, the director of the Institute for Immunology and Immune Health at the University of Pennsylvania, who was not involved in the research.

[Hugin]

14. Yeah, 42 people out of 676 million doses administered (in the US) is not very convincing.

Those 42 could have something else in common. It’s ridiculous that this study was even published with that level of support for the underlying hypothesis. Someone has an agenda.

https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/cumulative-covid-vaccinations?time=latest

Also, none of those 42 died. More people probably die from preventable disease world wide every minute.

[womanofthehills]

15. Prof Akiko Iwasaki of Yale one on the top scientists

Running the study which is studying all groups - Long Covid from COVID in early people who got COVID before vaccines, people with Long Covid who were vaxxed and never got COVID - vaxxed who got COVID.

Yale and Mt Sinai are working together on this Long Covid study. They are even working on a possible nasal vaxx so I see no agenda. I believed the study was initially leaked - so Yale admitted to it a few weeks ago.

[durablend]

19. "Somebody on Facebook said"

[IronLionZion]

4. Idiocracy

They just want us all to get "natural immunity" by becoming infected.

[womanofthehills]

16. New strains keep m outsmarting natural immunity & vaxx immunity

That’s why so many people vaxxed and unvaxxed keep getting reinfected as new strains change. Kind of like the flu - strains keep changing.

[Progressive dog]

5. If Elon can make most of the money fom mRNA reseach

then all will be good. Notice the group going to get the $500 billion Stargate money has no medical or health science participants named.
The pushback conflicts with innovations championed by Trump. He assembled tech tycoons at the White House just after his inauguration to announce Stargate, a $500 billion artificial intelligence initiative that could help transform cancer treatment by creating tumor-targeting mRNA vaccines. The fledging partnership between Oracle, SoftBank Corp. and OpenAI, co-founded by Elon Musk, envisions leveraging AI in part to improve health outcomes. Patients would undergo blood tests and AI would be used to find cancer.
https://abcnews.go.com/Health/mrna-vaccines-now-face-attacks-gop/story?id=119553285

[PSPS]

7. Is this another one of those crackpot conspiracy theories from "Doctor Horse?"

[Aussie105]

9. From an immunological viewpoint messenger RNA vaccinations make sense.

Take the mRNA in any viral disease, deactivate it, chop it up, inject it into someone, and their immune system will recognise it and develop antibodies to it.

When the actual disease hits you, your immune defenses are ready.

Do the mRNA vaccinations cause a negative effect by themselves?
Possibly - but any negative effect may be from the human body being invaded by the active virus, and fighting that at a level that the person is not fully aware of.
A massive natural immune system response to a virus can leave you feeling flat and slow for a while.

Bit like . . . almost catching the flu, got vaccinated against it so didn't really get sick, but did feel a bit woozy for a day or two. Blame the vaccine or blame an unsuccessful attack by the real virus?

[C Moon]

11. So the dimwitted, selfish bastards don't want the FDA or CDC because they want less government...

at the same time, they don't want people getting vaccinated.

[AmericaUnderSiege]

12. Yeah, the rest of us will just listen to scientists.

Republicans who can barely spell should express their learned concerns to the Hitler shrines in their basements.

[DFW]

13. So, let the Republicans join Herman Cain, and let the rest of us live

Chacun à son goût. Where's the problem?

[Paladin]

17. Thread winner. Many thanks to my fellow Texan, DFW. (nt)

[DFW]

18. I'd salute back with a tip of my ten gallon hat, but I've never owned one of them things in my life!

When we're good, we're all Ann Richards and Molly Ivins, but when we're bad, we're all Greg Abbott and Ken Paxton.

[Paladin]

20. No 10-gallon hats in my family, either.

Although I had a grandfather who favored dignified Stetson Open Road hats for all the years I was privileged to know him---and he was ten times the rancher and cattleman that any of those big-hat showoffs ever dreamed of being...