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Nanjeanne

(6,844 posts)
Fri Jun 26, 2026, 01:57 PM Yesterday

13 centrist Democrats sign "Promise to America" - capitalism, fiscal discipline, strong borders and pride in US

Thirteen Democratic House members and candidates announced their support Thursday for a centrist initiative aimed at pushing back against the party’s tilt toward democratic socialism.


Suozzi and Adam Gray (California), who are the only Democrats to flip red districts in 2024 that President Donald Trump won that year, helped debut the group during the centrist gathering WelcomeFest this month.
The other signatories who announced their support Thursday include candidates and incumbents running in competitive races, including several districts that Trump won. Reps. Kristen McDonald Rivet (Michigan), Susie Lee (Nevada), Maggie Goodlander (New Hampshire), Josh Gottheimer (New Jersey), Laura Gillen (New York), Don Davis (North Carolina), Janelle Bynum (Oregon) and Vicente Gonzalez (Texas) are all supporters. Candidates Marlene Galán-Woods in Arizona, Jamie Ager and Paul Barringer in North Carolina and Bobby Pulido in Texas also signed on.

“We disagree with MAGA. We disagree with socialists,” Suozzi said. “We don’t want this extremism. We want mainstream.”

Link to archive.is (from Wash Post) https://archive.is/cFxXH#selection-601.0-617.118]

text of Promise To America https://www.thepromisetoamerica.com/]

Growth, Competition, and Broad Prosperity
We are capitalist, not socialist.

We believe in a growing, fair, and competitive economy that rewards hard work, innovation, entrepreneurship, and ownership. Full-time work should make it possible to own a home, raise a family, afford healthcare, and retire with dignity. Economic, permitting, and tax policy should expand opportunity and lower costs for workers, families, entrepreneurs, and those striving to join the middle class, not disproportionately favor those already at the top.

Safety, Security, and Human Dignity
We want safety, not lawlessness.

We believe Americans deserve secure borders, safe communities, honest government, and an orderly immigration system that protects the country, strengthens the economy, and treats people with dignity. We believe America remains indispensable to global stability, democratic values, international security, and strong alliances. In a dangerous and uncertain world, America must lead with strength, purpose, and partnership.

Fiscal Discipline
We are responsible, not reckless.

A generation has passed since our party balanced the budget. We will prioritize tackling the national debt honestly. We must pay our bills, and not leave our children in debt.

Government That Works
We believe government should solve problems, not create them.

Government matters, but it must work. Public institutions should be competent, accountable, easier to navigate, and capable of building, innovating, and delivering results people experience in everyday life. Government should make life easier.

Free Speech, Respect, AND Common Purpose
We are mainstream, not extreme.

We believe Americans can disagree without division. We stand for moderation, acceptance, respect, free expression, and democratic pluralism. We embrace a politics of persuasion over purity, contempt, and cultural division.

Confident Patriotism and National Renewal
We are proud, not ashamed of America.

We believe America’s story is one of extraordinary achievement and unfinished work. We honor America’s strengths and exceptional character while striving to build a freer, stronger, more prosperous, and more perfect union.


I guess all those who don't feel the same way are extreme and hate the US . . .

I'd say what I think of Suozzi (Problem Solver Caucus, censurer of Al Green etc) and Gray (Problem Solver Caucus, Blue Dog, joining w/Rs to open government etc.) . . . but I think it's against the rules of DU . . . cause, after all, they have a D next to their names.

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13 centrist Democrats sign "Promise to America" - capitalism, fiscal discipline, strong borders and pride in US (Original Post) Nanjeanne Yesterday OP
My Dog.... NewHendoLib Yesterday #1
We are definitetly going to need to take the house by more than 13. LuvLoogie Yesterday #2
We definitely have a centrist problem. Emile 22 hrs ago #41
Without centrists Boo1 22 hrs ago #44
We have a centrist problem!! Emile 22 hrs ago #45
Seriously. What a bunch of drivel from these CivicGrief 20 hrs ago #55
You get to define what Boo1 19 hrs ago #67
See post 36 Emile 19 hrs ago #71
we know what it ISN'T Skittles 16 hrs ago #95
Yes Cirsium 2 hrs ago #117
Actually you don't Boo1 1 hr ago #122
But you do? Cirsium 37 min ago #124
If you re-read H2O Man 3 min ago #130
Not to mention centrists are terrible negotiators. They only ask GPV 4 hrs ago #107
I agree PatSeg 4 hrs ago #108
And "Centrists" are just Bettie 20 hrs ago #58
Bullshit Boo1 19 hrs ago #69
Did you read it? Cirsium 2 hrs ago #118
Yes Boo1 1 hr ago #123
OK Cirsium 25 min ago #126
I strongly disagree LetMyPeopleVote 4 hrs ago #111
Recommended. H2O Man 1 min ago #131
Moderates is a better description demosincebirth 4 hrs ago #109
Post removed Post removed Yesterday #3
"Contract on America" orthoclad Yesterday #5
Right? AStern Yesterday #16
This "promise" is an agreement to orthoclad Yesterday #19
Exactly Blue Full Moon 18 hrs ago #76
Shades of Newt Gingrich orthoclad 18 hrs ago #77
I'm good with most of that stuff. What are they against? mymomwasright Yesterday #4
Y'know, all those things that "socialist" countries have. orthoclad Yesterday #6
Did they say they were against it? I looked up one signatory - Janelle Bynum RandomNumbers 6 min ago #129
It's bad enough that the R's are trying to divide us Deuxcents Yesterday #7
They seem to believe that everything happening today is fine and is mainstream and normal Quiet Em Yesterday #8
They don't believe everything is fine. yardwork Yesterday #10
They aren't offering anything Quiet Em Yesterday #11
I agree mvd 5 hrs ago #100
Tom Suozzi is in NY Quiet Em Yesterday #13
Then they should have some respect for the Dems who won in their districts. Why put out this Nanjeanne Yesterday #25
What? I don't understand what you're saying. yardwork 21 hrs ago #49
How about you just read the free link to the Wash Post or maybe even Suozzi's own statement Nanjeanne 17 hrs ago #83
Are you suggesting that people should vote against them? yardwork 17 hrs ago #84
What are you talking about? Where did I say that? Voters get to choose. Im flummoxed. Nanjeanne 17 hrs ago #86
North Carolina's primaries are over. yardwork 16 hrs ago #87
My OP made no comment at all. I posted a Wash Post article and the actual Promise To America. Nanjeanne 16 hrs ago #88
These are your exact words in this thread: yardwork 16 hrs ago #89
Read my lips. I NEVER SUGGESTED ANYTHING ABOUT HOW SOMEONE SHOULD VOTE. Nanjeanne 16 hrs ago #91
Bashing Democratic candidates depresses the vote for them. yardwork 16 hrs ago #92
All of us at DU want to take back the House and we want all of our Democratic nominees to win Quiet Em 16 hrs ago #94
You seem to be either misunderstanding, misreading, or misinterpreting the poster's message. msfiddlestix 34 min ago #125
Very red district here Cirsium 1 hr ago #120
No arguments from me on that strategy. yardwork 15 min ago #127
I see Cirsium 10 min ago #128
I'm not surprised to see the two from North Carolina. yardwork Yesterday #9
I am mixed on this issue. Matthew28 Yesterday #12
My goal is to get a Democratic majority in Congress. yardwork Yesterday #18
But they are attacking other Democrats in a not so subtle way. CivicGrief 20 hrs ago #59
How are they attacking other Democrats? yardwork 20 hrs ago #60
They said it was. Read the articles. Nanjeanne 20 hrs ago #65
We're all aware how civics works. CivicGrief 16 hrs ago #90
"Yes, but who wants a majority if we must sacrifice being pure to get there?" ... or something 😂🤣🙄 QueerDuck 4 hrs ago #110
It seems laughable but here we are. yardwork 4 hrs ago #112
And are the progressives who have won their primaries against "strong" borders and against some level Nanjeanne Yesterday #23
We aren't in a big tent, I guess. aocommunalpunch Yesterday #26
I personally think the Dems MustLoveBeagles 23 hrs ago #33
Which 'socialist' policies do they disagree with? NeoTrajan Yesterday #14
I suspect they're appeasing their corporate donors LearnedHand 23 hrs ago #30
Here is my first stab at a list. yellow dahlia 20 hrs ago #53
They probably disagree with the DSA's call to defund the police, abolish prisons, and release all convicts. lapucelle 3 hrs ago #114
Post removed Post removed Yesterday #15
Me too politics doesn't work MustLoveBeagles 23 hrs ago #34
they all need to be primaried hookaleft Yesterday #17
Many of them should be on the top of the primary list for 2028 Renew Deal Yesterday #20
Yeah, Europe is so extreme. However, I agree that "Socialist" is a loser in the .... ColoringFool Yesterday #21
Socialism is the bogeyman pushed by the pukes LearnedHand 23 hrs ago #31
And they still will be labeled as Socialists from the right. CivicGrief 20 hrs ago #57
If it's a choice between a genuine Republican, Emile Yesterday #22
What a completely pointless clump of words. Oneironaut Yesterday #24
Post removed Post removed 23 hrs ago #27
So corruption and neoliberalism are totally okay LearnedHand 23 hrs ago #28
First of all Karma13612 23 hrs ago #29
They aren't trying to put forth any new ideas. They merely want to imply that these damn progressive Nanjeanne 23 hrs ago #36
What this usually means is Bettie 20 hrs ago #63
You got it. Nanjeanne 20 hrs ago #64
They're really Eisenhower Republicans. The GOP doesn't want them. haele 23 hrs ago #32
Eisenhower doesn't want them either. Nanjeanne 23 hrs ago #37
Not one F***ng word in the Promise to America about (for profit) HMO HealthCare. Ars Longa 23 hrs ago #35
That would impact the bottom line of Bettie 19 hrs ago #72
13 out of 200? SocialDemocrat61 23 hrs ago #38
Rule: If even one Democrat can be used to suppress support for the whole party, we're off to the races. betsuni 16 hrs ago #93
What's the point of this.... Etherealoc1 23 hrs ago #39
More Fettermans. Emile 22 hrs ago #40
Democratic Socialism is now mainstream AZProgressive 22 hrs ago #42
Oh alright ...OK, from now on.... you get TWO bread crusts a day-- instead of ONE. Ars Longa 22 hrs ago #43
Post removed Post removed 22 hrs ago #46
My thoughts too! Emile 21 hrs ago #47
Every one of these candidates is the Democratic candidate in their district. yardwork 20 hrs ago #61
This is likely going to be a theme durablend 21 hrs ago #48
I'm for socialism, taxing the billionaires into nonexistence, labor's freedom of movement equals capital's Prairie Gates 21 hrs ago #50
What's wrong with socialism? Violet_Crumble 21 hrs ago #51
As MLK Jr said Nanjeanne 5 hrs ago #103
"We disagree with socialists," Suozzi said". yellow dahlia 21 hrs ago #52
Democratic Socialists aren't socialists. They are the real centrists. pat_k 20 hrs ago #54
Please corect tthe headline. These people are not at the "center" of anything. Bluetus 20 hrs ago #56
It was the Wash Post description. Nanjeanne 19 hrs ago #73
I suggest putting it in quotes then, because it is an opinion of theirs, certainly not a fact. Bluetus 18 hrs ago #75
Got any details to go with that rhetoric? Raven123 20 hrs ago #62
Oh goodie. mr715 19 hrs ago #66
Not just tepid dishwater - sour sink water that's been sitting there for three days with grease and soap in it . . . hatrack 19 hrs ago #68
PTA is Vague Classic "No Labels" stuff : Zero mention of Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid-- Ars Longa 19 hrs ago #70
"Fiscal discipline?" ... TAX THE RICH, and ... Martin Eden 18 hrs ago #74
A good start for the creation of a new Republican Deminpenn 18 hrs ago #78
The question is what are we going to do make difference in peoples lives. everyonematters 18 hrs ago #79
I'm glad my rep didn't sign that. 50 Shades Of Blue 18 hrs ago #80
Lol, gab13by13 17 hrs ago #81
I was almost convinced to vote for candidate Marlene Galn-Woods in Arizona but her decision to sign on to this in2herbs 17 hrs ago #82
Post removed Post removed 17 hrs ago #85
Aw, hell... duckworth969 15 hrs ago #96
Flipping a red district that Donald Trump won is an actual Nixie 14 hrs ago #97
I'm proud to say that we flipped two Nassau county districts blue in 2024, lapucelle 5 hrs ago #98
President Harry S Truman knew the type and warned us. Kid Berwyn 5 hrs ago #99
What a piece of shit document JBTaurus83 5 hrs ago #101
Al politics is local. - Tip O'Neill mzmolly 5 hrs ago #102
Putting lipstick on capitalism with colonial era values bucolic_frolic 4 hrs ago #104
You can NOT have "fair" capialism without some johnnyfins 4 hrs ago #105
Exactly JBTaurus83 3 hrs ago #113
The "Carville Fetterman axis" trying to look relevant n/t Munu 4 hrs ago #106
James Carville supported Conor Lamb in 2022. N/T lapucelle 3 hrs ago #115
Even a broken clock.... JBTaurus83 2 hrs ago #116
So the "Carville-Fetterman axis" doesn't actually exist lapucelle 2 hrs ago #119
I wasn't the one that posted that JBTaurus83 1 hr ago #121

LuvLoogie

(9,059 posts)
2. We are definitetly going to need to take the house by more than 13.
Fri Jun 26, 2026, 02:06 PM
Yesterday

Probably by at least 40. All new progressives. Democrats.. The Fettermans and Sinemas are open for business.

Yeah, It's a duck.

Boo1

(612 posts)
44. Without centrists
Fri Jun 26, 2026, 05:39 PM
22 hrs ago

Democrats won't win the house or senate at all.

All progressives are doing is winning already blue districts.

Emile

(44,130 posts)
45. We have a centrist problem!!
Fri Jun 26, 2026, 05:40 PM
22 hrs ago

Democrats cannot steal Republican voters by moving to the center. Republicans vote for Republicans because they are Republican.

Democrats vote for Democrats because they are Democrats.

We need to stop chasing for the mythical republican cross over voters.

CivicGrief

(407 posts)
55. Seriously. What a bunch of drivel from these
Fri Jun 26, 2026, 06:58 PM
20 hrs ago

centrists. I hate when Democrats are afraid to be Democrats.

Cirsium

(4,238 posts)
117. Yes
Sat Jun 27, 2026, 01:25 PM
2 hrs ago

Why, yes, we do, thank you very much. We get to define a Democrat as not a pale imitation of the Republicans. You are free to define Democrat as any Sinema, Manchin or Fetterman with a "D" after their name.

Boo1

(612 posts)
122. Actually you don't
Sat Jun 27, 2026, 02:32 PM
1 hr ago

Get to say who is or isn't a Democrat based on your personal worldview.

H2O Man

(79,478 posts)
130. If you re-read
Sat Jun 27, 2026, 03:46 PM
3 min ago

the post you are responding to (#55), it clearly states that it is specific to a certain brand of Democrats. It in no way whatsoever even hints that the author is attempting to -- as your silly question says -- define who is or is not a Democrat. Your attempt to inject such nonsense into a serious conversation would be cause for failure in a junior high school debate.

GPV

(73,412 posts)
107. Not to mention centrists are terrible negotiators. They only ask
Sat Jun 27, 2026, 11:16 AM
4 hrs ago

for the bare minimum and then let the Republicans shred that even further.

PatSeg

(54,050 posts)
108. I agree
Sat Jun 27, 2026, 11:18 AM
4 hrs ago

Meanwhile, "centrists" in this context actually means "conservatives" without the MAGA extremes.

There was a time when such an approach could and sometimes did work, but not today. The right-wing media and politicians have turned the word "Democrat" into some kind of demon and most republicans aren't going to crossover.

I suppose there are a handful who will change their political affiliation to "Independent" and then hold their nose and vote Democratic, but I'm inclined to think many just won't vote. The ones who think all politicians are crooks, so why bother.

Bettie

(20,006 posts)
58. And "Centrists" are just
Fri Jun 26, 2026, 07:09 PM
20 hrs ago

trying to be "Republican lite".

It never works, but they do manage to gum up the works enough to keep any change from happening so that we are defeated in the next election. They are great for corporations, not so much for non-wealthy humans.

Cirsium

(4,238 posts)
126. OK
Sat Jun 27, 2026, 03:24 PM
25 min ago

That's fine. I am not surprised that you "agree with it fully." It is very close to traditional Republican position statements. Looking back at previous Republican platforms (pre-MAGA) they are somewhat to the left from that "Promise To America" thing.

There is a deception involved here. Most of it is motherhood and apple pie. Who could disagree? But that is just camouflage for the real agenda, which is to discredit and undermine threats to the interests of the wealthy and powerful by using Red Scare rhetoric and fear-mongering.

Let's leave the lying and the red-baiting to the Republicans, shall we? They are so good at it.

LetMyPeopleVote

(183,990 posts)
111. I strongly disagree
Sat Jun 27, 2026, 11:44 AM
4 hrs ago

I have been working hard to turn Texas blue for a very long time. I am NOT a republican lite. Texas will elect James Talarico as a Senator this year with the support of mainstream democrats.

Response to Nanjeanne (Original post)

orthoclad

(5,163 posts)
19. This "promise" is an agreement to
Fri Jun 26, 2026, 03:09 PM
Yesterday

throw the peasants a crust of bread, to keep the fiefdom in place.

mymomwasright

(455 posts)
4. I'm good with most of that stuff. What are they against?
Fri Jun 26, 2026, 02:11 PM
Yesterday

Is it national healthcare, paid education, paid childcare, affordable housing, fair taxing the rich, equal rights, voting rights, and renewable energy? WTF is wrong with these people?

RandomNumbers

(19,303 posts)
129. Did they say they were against it? I looked up one signatory - Janelle Bynum
Sat Jun 27, 2026, 03:43 PM
6 min ago

She promotes most of those items you suggest you are against, according to the info at Ballotpedia.

She is in Oregon and trounced her most recent primary opponent. In 2024 she flipped an R Congressional district.

According to Wikipedia, she is assigned to the Financial Services Committee.

Maybe she just happens to think that the exploding national debt is a huge problem? OR, perhaps that her constituents believe that?

I suspect that this group is mostly a marketing tactic, but YES, more "centrist" than many on the farther-left will like.

But if they actually GET ELECTED and don't imply to potential D voters that they should sit home if their favorite candidate didn't get on the ballot - I'm 100% okay with it.

Deuxcents

(28,239 posts)
7. It's bad enough that the R's are trying to divide us
Fri Jun 26, 2026, 02:22 PM
Yesterday

Why are these mainstreamers drawing a line in the sand? We need change but not this kind of crap

Quiet Em

(3,243 posts)
8. They seem to believe that everything happening today is fine and is mainstream and normal
Fri Jun 26, 2026, 02:22 PM
Yesterday

There is zero mention on how to make lives better for the American people or how to stop the violations of our Contitution, our rules of law, our Civil rights, violations against humanity itself.

Wow.

yardwork

(69,972 posts)
10. They don't believe everything is fine.
Fri Jun 26, 2026, 02:33 PM
Yesterday

They're Democrats trying to get elected in red districts. They're not evil people. They deserve our support for trying to get elected in deep red districts.

In 2024 there were districts in NC where Republicans ran unopposed. You wouldn't believe what voters think in those rural areas. It's shocking how misinformed they are.

Quiet Em

(3,243 posts)
11. They aren't offering anything
Fri Jun 26, 2026, 02:37 PM
Yesterday

I don't understand why they would release this. They need to campaign on a lot more than what this memo offers if they want to win.

They don't have to talk about the NYC elections at all. Just talk about their districts and the needs of their districts.

mvd

(65,983 posts)
100. I agree
Sat Jun 27, 2026, 10:22 AM
5 hrs ago

I never agreed with the centrist part of our party (though when I was young didn’t really know any better), and they should just focus on local. There unfortunately are some districts where it is tough for progressives to win.

Quiet Em

(3,243 posts)
13. Tom Suozzi is in NY
Fri Jun 26, 2026, 02:49 PM
Yesterday

He primaried Kathy Hochul in '22 and he was pretty awful. NY Democratic voters did not buy what he was selling and he was handily defeated.

Nanjeanne

(6,844 posts)
25. Then they should have some respect for the Dems who won in their districts. Why put out this
Fri Jun 26, 2026, 03:44 PM
Yesterday

PROMISE as if only they know what’s good for the party? Why say anything other than we welcome the Democrats who won their primaries and will support the Democrats who will join us in Congress to make this country the best it can be.

What they have done is disrespectful to the Dem voters who chose their candidates in their primaries.

yardwork

(69,972 posts)
49. What? I don't understand what you're saying.
Fri Jun 26, 2026, 06:32 PM
21 hrs ago

This statement doesn't say anything about Democrats who won other primaries. Unless I'm missing something?

I live in NC. I'm familiar with Don Davis's district. It's a remote, isolated, rural area. Since the latest gerrymander it will be a struggle for the Democratic Party to hold onto this seat.

The people in NC District 1 aren't thinking about NYC primaries. NYC might as well be Mars for all the attention they pay it. They watch Fox News.

This statement is a direct response to the GOP's daily accusation that "socialists are trying to kill you." It is no way an effort to pick a fight or disrespect anybody, especially Democrats who just won primaries.

As I said before, I don't think this approach will work. I think people are hungry for a more radical approach. I think that being on the defensive and constantly responding to GOP lies is a losing approach.

But I feel compelled to defend these Democrats from some silly things that are being said about them.

Also, the primary in NC was months ago. The two Democrats who signed this statement are our party's official nominees. Last I heard it's against DU TOS to criticize nominees.

Nanjeanne

(6,844 posts)
83. How about you just read the free link to the Wash Post or maybe even Suozzi's own statement
Fri Jun 26, 2026, 10:29 PM
17 hrs ago

about “socialists”

Or Google more articles if you prefer.

You keep wanting to make this about them being in a red district. Fine. I still believe they could go out and campaign in their districts for what they believe is going to make their constituents lives better. There’s no need to put out this “Promise” and ask for others to sign this Promise - with all its very obvious implications about other Democrats who won on platforms they don’t like (and considering Suozzi lives in Family living at C Street I tend to think it’s not “just” saying what he thinks will help him get elected). Buy you can believe anything you want. That’s what makes a democracy - oops sorry, Suozzi.

yardwork

(69,972 posts)
84. Are you suggesting that people should vote against them?
Fri Jun 26, 2026, 10:38 PM
17 hrs ago

Are you asking voters to choose the Republican candidates in these races?

Nanjeanne

(6,844 posts)
86. What are you talking about? Where did I say that? Voters get to choose. Im flummoxed.
Fri Jun 26, 2026, 10:48 PM
17 hrs ago

If a candidate wins his or her primary the voters will make their choice. I may prefer a different candidate in a primary and I certainly would in each of their cases. But you are simply making shit up about me ever saying anything of the kind. Please stop.

yardwork

(69,972 posts)
87. North Carolina's primaries are over.
Fri Jun 26, 2026, 10:56 PM
16 hrs ago

Your thread here is bashing two Democratic candidates who will compete with Republicans in the GE.

I repeat. The NC primaries are over. The people in their districts chose these candidates.

Now you want "voters to choose?" The only choice is these or the Republicans.

Nanjeanne

(6,844 posts)
88. My OP made no comment at all. I posted a Wash Post article and the actual Promise To America.
Fri Jun 26, 2026, 11:06 PM
16 hrs ago

Now please if it is too difficult for you to simply stop making up invisible posts where I have somehow encouraged anyone to vote for a Republican. If simply posting what these Reps have said themselves causes you to believe that perhaps the issue is their own words. Not mine. Frankly, this is it. I am too tired to keep responding to nonsense you seem to want to ascribe to me. Ignore. Trash Can. Block. Alert. All those are options you can choose.

Enjoy the rest of your evening.

yardwork

(69,972 posts)
89. These are your exact words in this thread:
Fri Jun 26, 2026, 11:13 PM
16 hrs ago
Nanjeanne
36. They aren't trying to put forth any new ideas. They merely want to imply that these damn progressive
4:33 PM
Democrats aren’t sufficiently pro American to be members of the party. The implication is dear since they specify

Capitalism (they want to confuse the public by implying that things like universal healthcare and tuition free college would dismantle capitalism - shades the typical scare over anything that is for the betterment of citizens and not corporations)

Strong borders whatever that means (these progressives must be against border control which is insane. Being for a real immigration policy and a compassion for people is not the same as let’s open all borders and have a big party)

Confident Patriotism and National Renewal We are proud, not ashamed of America. Again an implication that what? Ds that want America to be better are not patriotic?

Every point in their “promise” is an implication that the other Ds who are in the party that they don’t like are somehow not interested in good government, being fiscally responsible, etc.


Are you telling the few progressive voters in the districts of these candidates not to support them in the GE? The elections could hinge on one vote in each district. Control of Congress is at stake. Democracy is at stake.

The time for this kind of criticism is before the primaries.

Nanjeanne

(6,844 posts)
91. Read my lips. I NEVER SUGGESTED ANYTHING ABOUT HOW SOMEONE SHOULD VOTE.
Fri Jun 26, 2026, 11:24 PM
16 hrs ago

The Promise in the words of these 13 per the Washington Post are necessary to couner the wins of the progressive “socialists” who won their primaries. The words you reposted I stand by. Nowhere did I tell anyone to vote for a Republican but you seem to want to believe that very badly. Im sorry to disappoint you and I truly don’t want to be rude but this is getting silly.

Don’t take it personally but I can’t keep responding to this without losing my own mind. So if you must respond again to me, dont take offense but I truly am done.

I honestly wish you a good nights sleep.

Quiet Em

(3,243 posts)
94. All of us at DU want to take back the House and we want all of our Democratic nominees to win
Fri Jun 26, 2026, 11:38 PM
16 hrs ago

The rules we all abide by means that includes our Democratic nominee Tom Suozzi, but Tom Suozzi doesn't have to abide by our rules.

Tom is the originator of this memo and Tom talked others into signing it. Tom released this memo after Tuesdays primaries. Tom is not happy with all of our Democratic nominees. Tom is not doing his best to ensure that all of our Democratic nominees get elected. Tom has a problem with some of them even though the primaries are over and the voters have made their decision. Here in NY we want to make sure our Democratic Governor is re-elected. We want to elect all of our House Democratic nominees. Our nominees are doing a great job and are winning. It would be great if Tom could be on the same page.

msfiddlestix

(8,202 posts)
125. You seem to be either misunderstanding, misreading, or misinterpreting the poster's message.
Sat Jun 27, 2026, 03:15 PM
34 min ago

Online discussions are filled with invisible landmines.
Too bad we can't just pick up a phone and discuss clarify through various points. I sort of grew up in N.C. but headed to California when I was 18 back in 68. Been here ever since.
That "Promise" left me feeling very disappointed and the endless cycle of bad messaging does not leave me optimistic.













Cirsium

(4,238 posts)
120. Very red district here
Sat Jun 27, 2026, 01:59 PM
1 hr ago

Republican light has been tried for 20 years with zero success. We have a Democratic Socialist running this time and I believe we are going to finally flip the seat. Yes, people are ill-informed. Should they be smarter and better informed? Yes. But they will vote for a fighter, and a fighter has a better chance of informing them than a moderate does.

Obama did well here with a New Deal style campaign. Dean did well here. Sanders did well here. Gore, Secretary Clinton, Kerry, Harris - not so well.

yardwork

(69,972 posts)
127. No arguments from me on that strategy.
Sat Jun 27, 2026, 03:34 PM
15 min ago

But the primaries in NC are over and these are our Democratic candidates. Either they or Republicans will be elected in these districts.

The time for this kind of criticism is before the primaries and after the GE. And please write directly to the DNC and tell them exactly what you think they're doing wrong. I'm doing the same.

What I won't do is depress turnout for Democratic candidates in these or any districts. Once they are our official candidates we have to support them. The cycle begins again in mid-November.

yardwork

(69,972 posts)
9. I'm not surprised to see the two from North Carolina.
Fri Jun 26, 2026, 02:30 PM
Yesterday

This state is gerrymandered to death by the Republican state legislature. Their latest annihilstion of democracy happened with new district maps in 2025. The U.S. Supreme Court allowed it.

Don Davis is fighting a very tough reelection and Paul Barringer is fighting to be elected in what is now a red district.

I don't know that this strategy will work. People in these rural areas are brainwashed to believe that all Democrats are evil. I see what this group is doing but I'm not sure it will be enough.

I think a better strategy might be to lean into radical left promises. They're going to get called communists either way so they might as well run with it.

Frankly, I don't know that anything will get a Democrat elected in these gerrymandered districts.

Matthew28

(1,940 posts)
12. I am mixed on this issue.
Fri Jun 26, 2026, 02:43 PM
Yesterday

I want higher taxes on the rich, a stronger safetynet, but am ok with stronger borders and being ok with some level of capitlism.

yardwork

(69,972 posts)
18. My goal is to get a Democratic majority in Congress.
Fri Jun 26, 2026, 03:04 PM
Yesterday

The party that holds the majority in the Senate and House controls everything. They decide which bills get out of committee and to the floor for a vote. And the majority party controls the committees too. They have a majority vote in every committee.

As long as the Democrats are in the minority in Congress we have almost no power.

And with gerrymandering in so many states, it's increasingly difficult to get elected as a Democrat.

So yeah. If a Democrat has to say stuff to get elected, go for it. We're powerless until we hold the majority.

CivicGrief

(407 posts)
59. But they are attacking other Democrats in a not so subtle way.
Fri Jun 26, 2026, 07:12 PM
20 hrs ago

It is clear as day actually.

yardwork

(69,972 posts)
60. How are they attacking other Democrats?
Fri Jun 26, 2026, 07:20 PM
20 hrs ago

If you think this is in response to this week's primaries, I almost have to laugh.

The people living in isolated rural districts in NC aren't paying any attention to the NYC primaries. The Democratic candidates in these districts just want to get elected in the fall. They are responding to accusations from the GOP.

CivicGrief

(407 posts)
90. We're all aware how civics works.
Fri Jun 26, 2026, 11:22 PM
16 hrs ago

But reactionary comments in response to attacks by Republicans make them look like a bunch of dweebs. It’s a damn Chevrolet commercial for Christ’s sakes.

QueerDuck

(2,157 posts)
110. "Yes, but who wants a majority if we must sacrifice being pure to get there?" ... or something 😂🤣🙄
Sat Jun 27, 2026, 11:40 AM
4 hrs ago


"As long as the Democrats are in the minority in Congress we have almost no power."

And with that simple truth, you've hit the nail squarely on the head. But for many folks, pride and emotion leave no room for strategy and logic and compromise. An all or nothing philosophy will always result in "nothing".

yardwork

(69,972 posts)
112. It seems laughable but here we are.
Sat Jun 27, 2026, 11:45 AM
4 hrs ago

Gore was defeated by a coke head legacy moron in 2000 because Gore wasn't good enough for the purists.

Same again happened in 2016 and 2024.

This year should be a tidal wave of success for the Democratic Party but the billionaires are busy telling Democrats and Independents that our candidates aren't pure enough.

Nanjeanne

(6,844 posts)
23. And are the progressives who have won their primaries against "strong" borders and against some level
Fri Jun 26, 2026, 03:31 PM
Yesterday

of capitalism? Because they have done this bs to “counter” the progressive movement. What is the implication? Do these Democrats that won their primaries and that were supported by their constituents hate America? The implication is they must if the need to address that is in this promise.

MustLoveBeagles

(18,332 posts)
33. I personally think the Dems
Fri Jun 26, 2026, 04:25 PM
23 hrs ago

Should be a big tent party. Being divided amongst ourselves is not a winning strategy.

NeoTrajan

(92 posts)
14. Which 'socialist' policies do they disagree with?
Fri Jun 26, 2026, 02:50 PM
Yesterday

While those who declare themselves 'centrist' rail against 'socialism', they neglect to note that American appeals for socialist policies aren't collectivist farms or 5 year plans, or other historical aspects of the hard core communist 'socialism' of Russia, North Korea or China

A decent wage
Universal health care
Low cost access to college/university
Low cost child care
Clean Air and Clean Water
Voting Rights and Civil Rights

This is Democratic Socialism in America, not the establishment of gulags, not an affront to American values

yellow dahlia

(6,907 posts)
53. Here is my first stab at a list.
Fri Jun 26, 2026, 06:51 PM
20 hrs ago

Get off the highway!

If your house is on fire - grab the hose. Don't call the fire department.

You hear a burglar breaking into your house - no 911 for you.

lapucelle

(21,240 posts)
114. They probably disagree with the DSA's call to defund the police, abolish prisons, and release all convicts.
Sat Jun 27, 2026, 12:12 PM
3 hrs ago

Response to Nanjeanne (Original post)

ColoringFool

(1,387 posts)
21. Yeah, Europe is so extreme. However, I agree that "Socialist" is a loser in the ....
Fri Jun 26, 2026, 03:12 PM
Yesterday

US, so maybe "Progressive" could be the term.

LearnedHand

(5,686 posts)
31. Socialism is the bogeyman pushed by the pukes
Fri Jun 26, 2026, 04:23 PM
23 hrs ago

Why are these dems buying into that framework?

CivicGrief

(407 posts)
57. And they still will be labeled as Socialists from the right.
Fri Jun 26, 2026, 07:06 PM
20 hrs ago

They are actually helping build the narrative against Democrats by agreeing with Republicans. (Those darn Socialists are bad.)

Emile

(44,130 posts)
22. If it's a choice between a genuine Republican,
Fri Jun 26, 2026, 03:13 PM
Yesterday

and a Republican in Democratic clothing, the people will choose the genuine article, every time; that is, they will take a Republican before they will a phony Democrat.

Harry Truman

Oneironaut

(6,375 posts)
24. What a completely pointless clump of words.
Fri Jun 26, 2026, 03:42 PM
Yesterday

I love meaningless corpo-slop like this, because, I feel like it actually pushes people TOWARDS Democratic Socialism. Compare to this statement to one by Bernie Sanders, or Mamdani.

Also, "Full-time work should make it possible to own a home, raise a family, afford healthcare, and retire with dignity"

lol - Good joke! They're doing the Republican thing of pretending we are in an episode of Leave it to Beaver while most people under the age of 35 are barely scraping by, will never buy a house, will never retire (until they're dead), and, are one hospital visit away from bankruptcy.

Response to Nanjeanne (Original post)

Karma13612

(5,052 posts)
29. First of all
Fri Jun 26, 2026, 04:18 PM
23 hrs ago

What is their definition of ‘mainstream’?

And secondly, it sounds like they are full of platitude phrases.

I still will vote for any of them OVER A REPUBLICAN. But, they are not talking about very specific policies, just generalizations.
The American people have been hearing platitudes for decades. From both sides. Now is the time for actual policy.

Nanjeanne

(6,844 posts)
36. They aren't trying to put forth any new ideas. They merely want to imply that these damn progressive
Fri Jun 26, 2026, 04:33 PM
23 hrs ago

Democrats aren’t sufficiently pro American to be members of the party. The implication is dear since they specify

Capitalism (they want to confuse the public by implying that things like universal healthcare and tuition free college would dismantle capitalism - shades the typical scare over anything that is for the betterment of citizens and not corporations)

Strong borders whatever that means (these progressives must be against border control which is insane. Being for a real immigration policy and a compassion for people is not the same as let’s open all borders and have a big party)

Confident Patriotism and National Renewal We are proud, not ashamed of America. Again an implication that what? Ds that want America to be better are not patriotic?

Every point in their “promise” is an implication that the other Ds who are in the party that they don’t like are somehow not interested in good government, being fiscally responsible, etc.

Bettie

(20,006 posts)
63. What this usually means is
Fri Jun 26, 2026, 07:38 PM
20 hrs ago

"we will vote against anything that might cause a corporation or one of our extremely wealthy donors to make even a penny less profit or pay even a penny more in taxes".

Oh and it's usually paired with "bootstraps" solutions for the poorest among us.

haele

(15,714 posts)
32. They're really Eisenhower Republicans. The GOP doesn't want them.
Fri Jun 26, 2026, 04:24 PM
23 hrs ago

So they run as Democrats. Not necessarily bad, but definitely the old middle manager/union shop leader centerist types you'd find in the 50's and 60's. Comfortable enough they're not hungry for change, Centerist enough they're generally fair and accepting if not faced with unpleasantness or Radical pushback, and amenable enough that they will step in if they see someone in need - if it won't inconvenience them too much or if there's attaboys when the problem is "fixed".
Allies of Convenience.

Nanjeanne

(6,844 posts)
37. Eisenhower doesn't want them either.
Fri Jun 26, 2026, 04:38 PM
23 hrs ago

Eisenhower supported much higher taxes, he expanded SS, created the Dept of HEW, built that socialist thing we call highways, and spoke out against the military industrial complex.

Bettie

(20,006 posts)
72. That would impact the bottom line of
Fri Jun 26, 2026, 08:36 PM
19 hrs ago

the oligarchs.

Can't have that. Plus, people get to feeling like they matter if they are able to access health care without the danger of losing everything. Can't have that.

betsuni

(29,445 posts)
93. Rule: If even one Democrat can be used to suppress support for the whole party, we're off to the races.
Fri Jun 26, 2026, 11:34 PM
16 hrs ago

Rule of never giving Democrats the benefit of the doubt and leap screaming to the worst possible motive.

Trying to demonize centrists -- the types Republicans need more of? The ones you can make deals with because they'll comprise, unlike radicals? The ones without strict purity tests and ideology?

And then there's the fake socialism. What a lot of people think are socialist policies are liberal Democratic, the Democratic Party platform. The policies Democrats have.

Etherealoc1

(277 posts)
39. What's the point of this....
Fri Jun 26, 2026, 04:41 PM
23 hrs ago

It's a state by state approach, what works in one state may not work in another. Ugh, finally there is some momentum and tangible results , why create an appearance of disunity just because the Repubs are trying to drive a narrative. Smarten up folks this not the time for this sh*t.

AZProgressive

(30,085 posts)
42. Democratic Socialism is now mainstream
Fri Jun 26, 2026, 05:25 PM
22 hrs ago

Last edited Fri Jun 26, 2026, 06:08 PM - Edit history (1)

It is according to this poll from November last year and I don't think much has changed based on recent results.

8 Nov 2025
New Poll: Democratic Socialism Is Now Mainstream


A new national survey commissioned by DSA Fund and Jacobin, with support from the Rosa Luxemburg Stiftung, New York Office, and fielded by Data for Progress (N=1,257 likely voters; MOE ±3) takes stock of where democratic socialism stands with the electorate — and what it would take to build stable, working-class majorities beyond deep-blue districts.

Among Democrats, democratic socialists enjoy significant popularity. The poll’s findings include:
Democrats prefer democratic socialism to capitalism by a 58-point margin. Socialism wins overall with likely voters under forty-five years old.
Democrats prefer left-wing political figures similar to Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, Bernie Sanders, and Zohran Mamdani over establishment politicians similar to Chuck Schumer, Hakeem Jeffries, and Nancy Pelosi by a 20-point margin.

This was also true across party lines in critical voting blocs: non-college (+9), Latinos (+30). Candidates who identify as democratic socialists are viewed just as favorably (+69) among registered Democrats as candidates who identify only as Democrats (+67).

(snip)

70% of all respondents say that our economic system is “rigged in favor of corporations and the wealthy” and needs to be replaced; this includes 67% of independents and 58% of Republicans.
59% of respondents (and 58% of Republicans) blame landlords and banks more than government regulation for the high cost of housing.
83% of respondents agree that social work and mental health are necessary parts of a public safety budget; this includes 81% of independents and 80% of Republicans. This was true across all partisan, racial/ethnic, geographic, and class groups.
15% of Donald Trump voters prefer democratic socialism to capitalism. These voters tended to be younger and non-white.

https://rosalux.nyc/new-poll-democratic-socialism-is-now-mainstream/

I feel the party is committing self-sabotage by labeling Democratic Socialists who are also fellow Democrats as extremism.

3 of the 4 states that border Mexico are mostly blue states. In Arizona Republicans that go hard right on "the border" often lose statewide. Arizona mostly elects Democrats statewide in recent history and the Arpaio types are mostly in the past or no longer hold office. I agree it is an important issue but it isn't really among the top issues facing voters in this state.


Response to Nanjeanne (Original post)

yardwork

(69,972 posts)
61. Every one of these candidates is the Democratic candidate in their district.
Fri Jun 26, 2026, 07:29 PM
20 hrs ago

Each of them is running against a Republican in the fall GE.

They are our party's candidates.

durablend

(9,453 posts)
48. This is likely going to be a theme
Fri Jun 26, 2026, 06:17 PM
21 hrs ago

Seeing it from them, seeing it from Trump, seeing LTTE's like it's all coordinated. "BOOGA BOOGA BOOGA SOCIALISM IS COMING OH NOES"

Prairie Gates

(8,671 posts)
50. I'm for socialism, taxing the billionaires into nonexistence, labor's freedom of movement equals capital's
Fri Jun 26, 2026, 06:35 PM
21 hrs ago

freedom of movement, and ethical comportment toward being-in-the-world.



Violet_Crumble

(36,468 posts)
51. What's wrong with socialism?
Fri Jun 26, 2026, 06:40 PM
21 hrs ago

Who on earth talks about extremism by putting MAGA and democratic socialists in the same sentence?? What policies and stances do they think are extreme? I've seen some here at DU say that socialism is a dirty word in the US and democratic socialists should be discouraged from being Democrats, but pandering to politically ignorant people isn't the way to go. Education and showing people what can be done is the solution to that. The Mayor of New York is leading the way on that, and also AOC. I saw a really good documentary thing where she travelled to deep red parts of the US and talked with people about data centres being built close to their homes. I think she changed some hearts and minds doing that.

To be opposed to socialism is to be opposed to workers rights and trade unions, universal healthcare, free education etc. Which I guess is why the US is in the mess it's in right now....

Nanjeanne

(6,844 posts)
103. As MLK Jr said
Sat Jun 27, 2026, 10:47 AM
5 hrs ago

"Call it democracy, or call it democratic socialism, but there must be a better distribution of wealth within this country for all God's children."

yellow dahlia

(6,907 posts)
52. "We disagree with socialists," Suozzi said".
Fri Jun 26, 2026, 06:47 PM
21 hrs ago

Well then - get off the fucking highway!

If your house is on fire - grab the hose. Don't call the fire department.

You hear a burglar breaking into your house - no 911 for you.

pat_k

(14,520 posts)
54. Democratic Socialists aren't socialists. They are the real centrists.
Fri Jun 26, 2026, 06:53 PM
20 hrs ago

In issuing this they are promoting radical right propaganda.

Democrats who move "right" aren't "moderate" or "centrist" -- they just moving toward the fascist corporatism of today's Republican Party.

Those defending the principles of liberal democracy against fascist corporatism, whether under the label Independent, Democrat, or Democratic Socialist, are advocating things that are squarely in the center of our politics.

In a nutshell (less than 3 minutes)




The entire video. We MUST challenge the propaganda and be crystal clear on what is really the center of our politics, and what principles have been a throughline across our history.




Bluetus

(3,314 posts)
75. I suggest putting it in quotes then, because it is an opinion of theirs, certainly not a fact.
Fri Jun 26, 2026, 09:05 PM
18 hrs ago

We don't need to be repeating the gaslighting here.

It is like Jerry Falwell's old "Moral Majority", which was neither moral nor representing the majority. Words matter. We need to push back at every step.

Raven123

(8,045 posts)
62. Got any details to go with that rhetoric?
Fri Jun 26, 2026, 07:34 PM
20 hrs ago

Words don’t fill the fuel tank, pay for health care, and are not edible. How about some definitive proposals.

hatrack

(65,371 posts)
68. Not just tepid dishwater - sour sink water that's been sitting there for three days with grease and soap in it . . .
Fri Jun 26, 2026, 08:19 PM
19 hrs ago

Not enough change in this meaningless No Labels and Oh-So-Lieberman goo to use a payphone in 1955.

Ars Longa

(667 posts)
70. PTA is Vague Classic "No Labels" stuff : Zero mention of Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid--
Fri Jun 26, 2026, 08:21 PM
19 hrs ago

No mention of wealth inequality. No mention of Tech Bro Billionaires,
Trillionaires.. and so on!

everyonematters

(4,315 posts)
79. The question is what are we going to do make difference in peoples lives.
Fri Jun 26, 2026, 09:30 PM
18 hrs ago

Are these centrists against raising the minimum wage?

gab13by13

(33,078 posts)
81. Lol,
Fri Jun 26, 2026, 10:05 PM
17 hrs ago

and I was silenced for pointing out the problem with moderate Dems fighting with progressive Dems.

Why are we even putting labels on Democrats?

in2herbs

(4,669 posts)
82. I was almost convinced to vote for candidate Marlene Galn-Woods in Arizona but her decision to sign on to this
Fri Jun 26, 2026, 10:05 PM
17 hrs ago

changed my mind. I don't want "more of the same." I will now vote for Jonathan Treble.

Response to Nanjeanne (Original post)

Nixie

(18,268 posts)
97. Flipping a red district that Donald Trump won is an actual
Sat Jun 27, 2026, 01:44 AM
14 hrs ago

achievement. You have to applaud that.

lapucelle

(21,240 posts)
98. I'm proud to say that we flipped two Nassau county districts blue in 2024,
Sat Jun 27, 2026, 10:07 AM
5 hrs ago

and we're working hard to keep it that way.

Suozzi et alia are doing the smart thing in distancing themselves from DSA. There's no reason why Democrats in reddish-purple districts need to be saddled with their "abolish prisons / abolish borders" talking points. That stuff is even more toxic than the disastrous "defund the police" mantra of 2022.



Kid Berwyn

(25,516 posts)
99. President Harry S Truman knew the type and warned us.
Sat Jun 27, 2026, 10:10 AM
5 hrs ago

“Given the choice between a Republican and someone who acts like a Republican, people will vote for the real Republican all the time.”

JBTaurus83

(1,857 posts)
101. What a piece of shit document
Sat Jun 27, 2026, 10:36 AM
5 hrs ago

They sound like Republicans. NO I am not proud of this country and I will not be brow beat into saying I am.

If you want to talk fiscal discipline talk taxation, loopholes and how continuing to ignore the impending environmental disaster will bankrupt this country.

The people in the middle don’t care about “capitalism, socialism, fascism” etc. most of these low info voters can’t even define them. They just want some type of result.

I’d really love to know if the people in their districts were clamoring for them to make this inane and purposely vague statement of platitudes.

mzmolly

(52,883 posts)
102. Al politics is local. - Tip O'Neill
Sat Jun 27, 2026, 10:43 AM
5 hrs ago

Democrats are going to vote with Democrats and share a set of values benefiting the working class, regardless.

johnnyfins

(4,163 posts)
105. You can NOT have "fair" capialism without some
Sat Jun 27, 2026, 11:06 AM
4 hrs ago

Form of socialism. Besides, we on the left are all communists now anyway... :/

JBTaurus83

(1,857 posts)
113. Exactly
Sat Jun 27, 2026, 12:02 PM
3 hrs ago

If you propose any type of regulation or taxation at all, you get the communist label.

lapucelle

(21,240 posts)
119. So the "Carville-Fetterman axis" doesn't actually exist
Sat Jun 27, 2026, 01:44 PM
2 hrs ago

because, unlike many of his progressive cheerleaders, Carville saw through Fetterman at the onset.

Good to know.

JBTaurus83

(1,857 posts)
121. I wasn't the one that posted that
Sat Jun 27, 2026, 02:12 PM
1 hr ago

I don’t even think Carville would agree with Fetterman much.

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