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question everything

(52,636 posts)
Fri Jun 26, 2026, 01:42 PM Yesterday

Hundreds of rabbis accuse Mamdani of fueling antisemitism over 'monsters' comment

More than 700 rabbis representing every major Jewish denomination across the United States are calling on New York City Mayor Zohran Mamdani to publicly apologize for remarks he made about the pro-Israel lobbying group AIPAC.

In an open letter released Friday afternoon, the Jewish clergy condemn the mayor's statement in which he described members of the pro-Israel lobby as "monsters" and claimed they were spending "millions in dark money" to preserve their power and sow division. The rabbis note that Mamdani has refused to retract his remarks despite mounting criticism and are demanding that he clarify his position.

The letter's release coincides with a new poll by the Jewish Majority organization highlighting deep concern within the community. According to the survey, 82% of Jewish voters in New York are concerned about rising antisemitism, with most respondents linking it to the normalization of anti-Zionism. The poll also found that a majority believe Mamdani's refusal to condemn calls to "globalize the intifada" has emboldened pro-Hamas demonstrators.

(snip)

The letter was prompted by a speech Mamdani delivered last week, when he used celebrations marking the New York Knicks' championship to launch what the rabbis described as an unprecedented attack on AIPAC and Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu. In a speech at a rally backing progressive candidates in Brooklyn ahead of the Democratic primaries, Mamdani accused AIPAC of pouring “millions of dark-money dollars” into efforts to turn the public against itself. He claimed the lobby feared democracy and “the end of the genocide and Netanyahu’s wars.”

The letter's authors emphasize that the unusually broad coalition of rabbis, who often disagree on political issues, united over what they see as the dangerous implications of Mamdani's remarks. They note that his comments came just days after five people were charged with plotting to kill government officials supported by AIPAC, and on the same day that a man in Florida was indicted for allegedly planning a mass shooting at the organization's offices.

https://www.ynetnews.com/article/s100efe2fzx

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Hundreds of rabbis accuse Mamdani of fueling antisemitism over 'monsters' comment (Original Post) question everything Yesterday OP
So, is AIPAC scared, or angry? Fiendish Thingy Yesterday #1
Both. mountain grammy Yesterday #2
Yes mr715 23 hrs ago #9
whatever.... mike_c Yesterday #3
Blaming Jewish or Israeli people for the Eko Yesterday #4
he was criticizing AIPAC and it's dark money PACs hookaleft Yesterday #7
Logic? AloeVera 18 hrs ago #36
Thanks AloeVera! Eko 18 hrs ago #38
And speaking of logic... AloeVera 18 hrs ago #39
Fuck this racist claptrap Sympthsical 16 hrs ago #55
"Say no to AIPAC" is not aimed at just Jews, it's aimed at everyone muriel_volestrangler 6 hrs ago #72
Stop. Sympthsical 6 hrs ago #74
Stop what? muriel_volestrangler 5 hrs ago #77
Stop running interference for these antisemitic tropes Sympthsical 5 hrs ago #79
I really do not see people blaming Jews on DU muriel_volestrangler 4 hrs ago #83
And your thoughts on Sympthsical 3 hrs ago #87
People should not say "If the Jews would just do X, then people wouldn't hate them!" muriel_volestrangler 3 hrs ago #91
It's literally the post I replied to Sympthsical 3 hrs ago #92
No, it's not. The post you replied to says muriel_volestrangler 2 hrs ago #94
Wow Sympthsical 2 hrs ago #95
You have it now. AloeVera 49 min ago #107
What Israel is doing in Lebanon and GAZA is genocide. AND I will vote in primaries for the candidate who does not Demsrule86 1 hr ago #99
Your response is beyond the pale. AloeVera 52 min ago #105
When people peddle in collective responsibility for hate received by an ethnic group Sympthsical 44 min ago #109
Show me where I assigned "collective responsibility". AloeVera 13 min ago #113
Everything he said was true. hookaleft Yesterday #5
Who is "they?" Mossfern 15 hrs ago #57
Netanyahu should be attacked lame54 Yesterday #6
He should be brought to the Hague for Crimes against humanity. lebanese people and GAZA Demsrule86 1 hr ago #100
LMAO fuck you, AIPAC n/t aocommunalpunch 23 hrs ago #8
The popular new brand of lipstick. Behind the Aegis 23 hrs ago #10
So, for you, the problem is not the ideology of AIPAC. It's just that it's not 100% successful. Intractable 23 hrs ago #12
Strawman much? Behind the Aegis 23 hrs ago #13
Oh, how is it not the case? I see no argument here. Just a vacuous statement. Intractable 22 hrs ago #14
Lipstick on a pig Behind the Aegis 22 hrs ago #15
Post removed Post removed 22 hrs ago #18
You are accusing a DUer of lying? yardwork 3 hrs ago #86
Your supposed "truth" is irrelevant and is a feeble distraction from the main point. Intractable 22 hrs ago #19
BtA doesn't "lie" and it's not "feeble Or irrelevant. Cha 17 hrs ago #46
You keep pointing at who is funding it when many people other than Jewish people fund it also. Eko 20 hrs ago #25
According to Protocols... sarisataka 21 hrs ago #23
Rothchild, Soros, Zionist, AIPAC ... lapucelle 19 hrs ago #29
I think you misunderstood this poster. yardwork 16 hrs ago #51
I've been reading his posts for years now. There's no misunderstanding from either of us. Intractable 16 hrs ago #52
Here Is All the Money AIPAC Spent on the 2024 Elections hookaleft 22 hrs ago #17
There may be some apples and oranges mixed in here, but..... DFW 8 hrs ago #68
Mahalo, BtA.. It's no big mystery why Cha 17 hrs ago #44
Post removed Post removed 1 hr ago #102
Thank you! Bookmarking. betsuni 15 hrs ago #62
Sometime, probably soon. The rabbis will learn the US ain't taking it so much anymore. 31j20b3 23 hrs ago #11
82% of NY jews... Boo1 22 hrs ago #21
Wisconsin has many fewer Jewish identifiers 31j20b3 22 hrs ago #22
I dont agree that anti-zionism is antisemitic. Eko 20 hrs ago #26
Including Palestinians? Boo1 19 hrs ago #32
Here. Eko 18 hrs ago #37
What's the difference in having a right Boo1 17 hrs ago #41
inherent Eko 17 hrs ago #48
That goes for Muslim countries too? Mossfern 15 hrs ago #58
Yes Eko 15 hrs ago #63
So you support a One World government? Mossfern 6 hrs ago #73
Nowhere did I say that. Eko 3 hrs ago #89
Is it possible Eko 13 hrs ago #65
Sure Mossfern 6 hrs ago #69
It is not merely the belief that Jewish people have a homeland Eko 3 hrs ago #88
Palestine was not a nation Mossfern 3 hrs ago #90
Muslims are persecuted in Israel and what has been done in GAZA is a disgrace. Demsrule86 51 min ago #106
Jews are murdered in Palestine Mossfern 39 min ago #110
I think so. Joinfortmill 5 hrs ago #78
Just a correction here... Violet_Crumble 10 hrs ago #67
I am well aware of the expulsion of Palestinians as well as their leaving voluntarily during the 1948 war. Mossfern 6 hrs ago #71
US Gentiles have no problem with the Jewish population. In fact we love and welcome you to the Democratic Party hookaleft 19 hrs ago #33
Are the palestinians Boo1 19 hrs ago #34
Post removed Post removed 19 hrs ago #35
If the Palestinians didn't want Hamas Boo1 17 hrs ago #40
Well, if someone could move into your home at any time Bettie 4 hrs ago #81
Rabbis in the US are "Sowing" the actions of Israel sarisataka 21 hrs ago #24
Mamdani accused AIPAC of pouring "millions of dark-money dollars" into efforts to turn the public against itself. Nanjeanne 22 hrs ago #16
+1 leftstreet 17 hrs ago #43
Exact quotes. LAS14 22 hrs ago #20
This is the most complete transcript of his speech I can find muriel_volestrangler 5 hrs ago #75
What fuels antisemitism is people like them conflating Jews and Israel/AIPAC RockRaven 20 hrs ago #27
Couldn't agree more and said so in Post # 36. nt AloeVera 17 hrs ago #42
"Jews are to blame for antisemitism." Boo1 17 hrs ago #45
Netanyahu is a monster. AloeVera 17 hrs ago #47
Netanyahu and the actions of his government Eko 16 hrs ago #49
+1 dalton99a 6 hrs ago #70
This message was self-deleted by its author Ponietz 4 hrs ago #80
I'm not Jewish, but I have Jewish relatives... Joinfortmill 19 hrs ago #28
There are elections planned later this year question everything 19 hrs ago #30
AIPAC goal is throwing money at centrists. Emile 19 hrs ago #31
not just centrist and conservative Dems but also hard RWer MAGAt rethugs, including 2020 seditionists and traitors Celerity 15 hrs ago #59
Having not given it any thought - woah on supporting those Republicans! TY 4 info. electric_blue68 29 min ago #112
And what do the Catholic priests say? Iggo 16 hrs ago #50
Bibi makes the propaganda run on time Ponietz 16 hrs ago #53
So it's only OK to call Muslims monsters? CivicGrief 16 hrs ago #54
Ii haven't heard anyone here say anything of the sort. Mossfern 15 hrs ago #61
Just (One Person) Wondering... wyn borkins 16 hrs ago #56
The I/P forum tries hard to host these kinds of discussions, but in reality the independent forums hlthe2b 2 hrs ago #96
Understood :: And Thank You (hlthe2b) For Your Response (n/t) wyn borkins 1 hr ago #97
There will be no peace until a fair 2 multigraincracker 15 hrs ago #60
Israel doesn't want this...but you are right. Demsrule86 1 hr ago #101
My take for what it is worth. sheshe2 13 hrs ago #64
I was surprised this happened. I hope he learns, too. betsuni 12 hrs ago #66
Israel is involved in Genocide. They must be called out. And a fair number of those Demsrule86 55 min ago #104
Not a very smart statement on his part. MineralMan 5 hrs ago #76
Religion is the most divisive thing Bettie 4 hrs ago #82
100% Agree! MineralMan 4 hrs ago #84
My husband and I talk sometimes about Bettie 4 hrs ago #85
Congratulations on your 20,000 post milestone. Now on to your next niyad 2 hrs ago #93
I agree.... Demsrule86 46 min ago #108
Israel is involved in war crimes in GAZA and Lebanon...murdering kids. Demsrule86 1 hr ago #98
...Hundreds of rabbis voted for Mamdani... mr715 1 hr ago #103
Well it hurts feelings when a message that's cherished and been pushed all your life 31j20b3 37 min ago #111

Fiendish Thingy

(24,477 posts)
1. So, is AIPAC scared, or angry?
Fri Jun 26, 2026, 01:57 PM
Yesterday

Either way, they are certainly flexing their influence, aren’t they?

mountain grammy

(29,413 posts)
2. Both.
Fri Jun 26, 2026, 02:02 PM
Yesterday

And yes. They’re not gonna go quietly. Last week I was sticking with DeGette.

I just voted for her opponent . . Enough already!

Eko

(10,194 posts)
4. Blaming Jewish or Israeli people for the
Fri Jun 26, 2026, 02:53 PM
Yesterday

Actions of Israel is antisemitism since they are not inherently responsible for what Israel does. So criticizing Israel or pacs that support Israel is antisemitism? Can’t have it both ways. To be clear, I 100% agree with the first part.

hookaleft

(1,401 posts)
7. he was criticizing AIPAC and it's dark money PACs
Fri Jun 26, 2026, 03:00 PM
Yesterday

They are aligned with the Zionist state of Israel. Nothing against Jewish people. Everyone is OK with them.

AloeVera

(4,656 posts)
36. Logic?
Fri Jun 26, 2026, 09:16 PM
18 hrs ago

Can't blame Jews for the actions of Israel because Jews are not responsible for what Israel does. To do so is anti-semitism (TRUE!)

Can't criticize Israel because then you are blaming Jews (HUH?? Now Jews ARE responsible? FALSE!)

Netanyahu claimed that he represents all Jewish people in the world. This conflation, combined with his genocidal actions, make him the biggest driver of anti-semitism in the world. Maybe he's the biggest anti-semite just for how he is harming Jews!

AloeVera

(4,656 posts)
39. And speaking of logic...
Fri Jun 26, 2026, 09:40 PM
18 hrs ago

Logically, it would make sense for the sake of Jewish safety and well-being, for all people, including Jewish people, to work towards getting rid of Netanyahu and his ilk in Likud and the extremist parties. Starting with saying no to AIPAC.

Sympthsical

(11,293 posts)
55. Fuck this racist claptrap
Fri Jun 26, 2026, 11:41 PM
16 hrs ago

If this sentiment were said about any other ethnic group, it would be called out.

Can you imagine any white person bouncing out there with, "If X people only took care of their bad elements, they'd be much safer!" while implying they're partially responsible for their own mistreatment?

Like, that would be crazily racist sentiment to toss out there in a liberal space.

But when it's said about Jews, it's just common sense!

This is abhorrent. I'm sorry. It's one thing to be against what's happening in Gaza - I think nearly all of us here are. But when people start sounding like they just read the Protocols of the Elders of Zion for the first time, it's gone too far. This stuff is hedging into collective responsibility - which is racist.

I don't think people recognize in themselves the road they're allowing their ideology to take them down.

I cannot believe this is getting posted to DU. Fucking crazy. The post October 7th influx of this - yes, racism - needs to be called out already.

"But Gaza . . ." is not an excuse for the fucked up shit that's getting posted here about Jews on the regular lately.

Shame.

muriel_volestrangler

(106,869 posts)
72. "Say no to AIPAC" is not aimed at just Jews, it's aimed at everyone
Sat Jun 27, 2026, 09:34 AM
6 hrs ago

It's like saying "say no to the NRA".

If the American people only took care of their bad elements like the NRA, they'd be much safer!

I said it, and I think it holds up extremely well. And you could, if you want, substitute "white Americans" for "the American people", and it'd still work.

Sympthsical

(11,293 posts)
74. Stop.
Sat Jun 27, 2026, 09:41 AM
6 hrs ago

Don’t excuse it. Just stop.

Collective responsibility is dangerous.

You can criticize Israel without excusing this stuff.

It’s enough already. Monitor the bad elements in your cause before they monitor you.

muriel_volestrangler

(106,869 posts)
77. Stop what?
Sat Jun 27, 2026, 10:23 AM
5 hrs ago

Do you think I'm allowed to criticize AIPAC? Is that what you're telling me to stop?

Sympthsical

(11,293 posts)
79. Stop running interference for these antisemitic tropes
Sat Jun 27, 2026, 10:37 AM
5 hrs ago

I'm being very specific in what I'm condemning. The idea that Jews have collective responsibility is a trope that's gotten some play on DU. It pops up again and again. And it's enough already.

Trying to distract away from that is running interference. Pretending people aren't deploying these tropes is running interference. Ignoring it and building strawmen in response to racism is running interference.

There's that saying, if ten people are at dinner and one of them's a Nazi, what do you have? The reply goes, "Ten Nazis."

Well, this AIPAC obsessed movement is chock full of bad actors who only want to talk about Jews, Jewish money, why Jews are responsible for the hatred they experience, and on and on. Sometimes subtle. Sometimes much less.

Either call them out already - or at the very least stop pretending or making excuses about it - or I'm just going to assume a lot of people are very comfortable with the dinner party they're attending.

muriel_volestrangler

(106,869 posts)
83. I really do not see people blaming Jews on DU
Sat Jun 27, 2026, 11:26 AM
4 hrs ago

Maybe I'm just not reading the threads it happens in. That's quite possible. But AIPAC has had bad policies for many years, and I think it's reasonable to say so.

Sympthsical

(11,293 posts)
87. And your thoughts on
Sat Jun 27, 2026, 12:18 PM
3 hrs ago

"If the Jews would just do X, then people wouldn't hate them!"

That attitude is ok with you?

Are the appetizers that delicious?

muriel_volestrangler

(106,869 posts)
91. People should not say "If the Jews would just do X, then people wouldn't hate them!"
Sat Jun 27, 2026, 12:42 PM
3 hrs ago

Next time you see it on DU, PM me, and I will alert on it.

Sympthsical

(11,293 posts)
92. It's literally the post I replied to
Sat Jun 27, 2026, 12:44 PM
3 hrs ago

And yet I got the response - not the person making the comments.



muriel_volestrangler

(106,869 posts)
94. No, it's not. The post you replied to says
Sat Jun 27, 2026, 01:02 PM
2 hrs ago

"all people, including Jewish people, to work towards getting rid of Netanyahu and his ilk in Likud and the extremist parties. Starting with saying no to AIPAC." It is, as I said, aimed at all people. As it literally is.

Demsrule86

(71,578 posts)
99. What Israel is doing in Lebanon and GAZA is genocide. AND I will vote in primaries for the candidate who does not
Sat Jun 27, 2026, 02:34 PM
1 hr ago

defend that.

AloeVera

(4,656 posts)
105. Your response is beyond the pale.
Sat Jun 27, 2026, 02:57 PM
52 min ago

I just saw it and I'm sorry I did.

You called me a racist.

Perfectly awful example and proof of what happens to people on this side of the divide.

I did not single out Jews nor blame them for anything. I merely included them in a call for help to oust a genocidal government.

For that I get called a racist. Predictable and heartbreaking. No, not heartbreaking. Shameful.

Bye.


Sympthsical

(11,293 posts)
109. When people peddle in collective responsibility for hate received by an ethnic group
Sat Jun 27, 2026, 03:05 PM
44 min ago

It's getting called out. Instead of calling out the hate, they call out the group receiving the hate.

That is a topsy turvy mindset and the antithesis of being progressive or liberal.

I don't think people hear themselves anymore. I really don't.

Listen to people when they are telling you they don't feel safe with the rhetoric flying around.

Or is everyone so far down the rabbit hole now, they can't even make out the anti-racist daylight? Because it feels like it's gotten there.

AloeVera

(4,656 posts)
113. Show me where I assigned "collective responsibility".
Sat Jun 27, 2026, 03:36 PM
13 min ago

I feel as though calling me a racist and purveyor of anti-semitic tropes based on wild and fact-free conclusions on your part is... how shall I put it? I can't find the words, at least not ones I can say.




Demsrule86

(71,578 posts)
100. He should be brought to the Hague for Crimes against humanity. lebanese people and GAZA
Sat Jun 27, 2026, 02:38 PM
1 hr ago

citizens are people and should not face the violence of Netanyahu...who's latest thing is hanging Muslims for trumped up charges of terrorism.

Behind the Aegis

(56,323 posts)
10. The popular new brand of lipstick.
Fri Jun 26, 2026, 04:02 PM
23 hrs ago
Is AIPAC a ‘monster’ that decides Congressional races? The data shows otherwise

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On the left — and, more quietly, the right — versions of the “monster” narrative are spreading, suggesting that AIPAC is an electoral force with bottomless pockets that decides who serves in Congress.

The truth is quite different. To find it, I pulled both primary and general election outcomes for every Congressional candidate that AIPAC’s traditional PAC backed in 2022 and 2024 — 788 candidates across the two cycles — from the Federal Electoral Commission. I ran the same exercise for 17 peer single-issue PACs, including the NRA and Planned Parenthood.

The data shows that while AIPAC has an impressive operation, its electoral results do not outperform those of any other major single-issue lobby. AIPAC itself cites a 95% win rate on endorsed candidates as evidence of its political muscle, but that high level of success is partially attributable to the fact that, according to my sample, some 86% percent of AIPAC’s endorsements go to sitting members of Congress. And incumbents win about 95% of general elections — regardless of who funds them.

What’s more remarkable than the number of elections AIPAC wins is how often it gets credit or blame — depending on your politics — for deciding races.

more...

Intractable

(2,576 posts)
12. So, for you, the problem is not the ideology of AIPAC. It's just that it's not 100% successful.
Fri Jun 26, 2026, 04:44 PM
23 hrs ago

I hope AIPAC continues to drive its opposition to the polls.

If it's a choice for me between a Dem that takes money from Israeli lobbies and one that doesn't, I would count this against the former, probably motivating me to vote against them in a primary.

In the general election, I would always vote for the Democrat.

I believe Israel has a right to exist. But, only within its current borders. I am against any expansion of territory in the West Bank, Gaza, or Lebanon.

More AIPAC means more war.

Intractable

(2,576 posts)
14. Oh, how is it not the case? I see no argument here. Just a vacuous statement.
Fri Jun 26, 2026, 04:53 PM
22 hrs ago

I say that it is your post that is mere hay pretending to be substance.

A few years ago, I was a full supporter of Israel.

But now, that basically amounts to sending Israel weapons and money so Netanyahu can continue Israel's aggressions against its neighbors.

The only way I can agree is if Israel is given only defensive weapons.

Behind the Aegis

(56,323 posts)
15. Lipstick on a pig
Fri Jun 26, 2026, 04:54 PM
22 hrs ago
That truth helps make clear how dangerous the disproportionate attention AIPAC receives from the media, and from candidates opposed to its priorities, can be. To single out a well-funded lobby with many Jewish members, and to cast it as the secret hand behind every contested race, isn’t just wrong on the data. It rhymes with the oldest antisemitic trope there is: that Jews quietly run the world.

ETA: " So, for you, the problem is not the ideology of AIPAC. It's just that it's not 100% successful." THAT was the strawman.

Response to Behind the Aegis (Reply #15)

Intractable

(2,576 posts)
19. Your supposed "truth" is irrelevant and is a feeble distraction from the main point.
Fri Jun 26, 2026, 05:08 PM
22 hrs ago

AIPAC is not 100% successful. You said that already. You seem stuck on this point.

AIPAC lobbies for weapons and money for Israel. I am against it.

>> It rhymes with the oldest antisemitic trope there is: that Jews quietly run the world.

I do not accept your inference. I am against Israeli aggression, not Jewish people. Like Bibbi, you can try to blur the difference, but that's another strawman from you.

Like all other lobbies, AIPAC does its best to influence how the world is run.

Cha

(321,559 posts)
46. BtA doesn't "lie" and it's not "feeble Or irrelevant.
Fri Jun 26, 2026, 10:25 PM
17 hrs ago

Resorting to insults doesn't make your case.

Eko

(10,194 posts)
25. You keep pointing at who is funding it when many people other than Jewish people fund it also.
Fri Jun 26, 2026, 07:34 PM
20 hrs ago

Instead of what they are advocating for which is what we keep pointing out.

lapucelle

(21,240 posts)
29. Rothchild, Soros, Zionist, AIPAC ...
Fri Jun 26, 2026, 08:01 PM
19 hrs ago

… the code evolves, but the underlying meaning remains crystal clear.

Intractable

(2,576 posts)
52. I've been reading his posts for years now. There's no misunderstanding from either of us.
Fri Jun 26, 2026, 11:18 PM
16 hrs ago

Had some pleasant chats with him. It was before Oct 7.

hookaleft

(1,401 posts)
17. Here Is All the Money AIPAC Spent on the 2024 Elections
Fri Jun 26, 2026, 05:04 PM
22 hrs ago

Lobbying group the American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC) was by far the largest PAC contributor to members of Congress and federal candidates in the 2023-2024 election cycle, funneling hard dollars to the campaigns of lawmakers who approved military aid packages for Israel’s war in Gaza.

Below are the complete totals of how much money congressional campaigns, leadership PACs, and party committees received from AIPAC PAC last cycle, according to Federal Election Commission data.

The money that AIPAC PAC contributed during the election cycle was overwhelmingly provided by individual donors who used the group as a conduit that passed their money along to candidates and other political groups.

The data table below also includes the totals of how much AIPAC’s super PAC, the United Democracy Project (UDP), spent in the elections, largely opposed to candidates that the group deems insufficiently supportive of Israel, as well as spending that supported its endorsed candidates.

AIPAC’s PAC and UDP spent nearly $126.9 million combined during the 2023-2024 election cycle, according to the FEC. This includes more than $55.2 million in donations given to federal candidates—at least $45.2 million of which went to the campaigns of members of the new 119th U.S. Congress, Sludge identified.

UDP made almost $61 million in disbursements last election cycle, of which around $37.9 million was independent expenditures supporting or opposing candidates for U.S. House. In 2023 and 2024, UDP received seven-figure sums from more than a handful of billionaire donors. Its spending went in large part to media and ad blitzes that did not mention the issue of Israel. In addition, UDP made nearly $8.6 million in contributions to six other PACs last cycle.


https://readsludge.com/2025/01/24/here-is-all-the-money-aipac-spent-on-the-2024-elections/


And the money it gives to seated congress people:


The pro-Israel lobbying group AIPAC, which has opposed efforts at diplomacy with Iran and is applauding the U.S.-led strikes, has delivered $28 million to the campaigns of members of Congress in the 2025–2026 election cycle, according to a Sludge analysis of FEC data, including earmarked PAC contributions.

The money AIPAC PAC contributes is overwhelmingly provided by U.S.-based individual donors who use the group’s website to select which candidates to support. The money is disbursed by AIPAC PAC, and the group highlights on its website that credit goes to both the individual donor and AIPAC, strengthening the pro-Israel group’s ties to the candidates.

Here is how much every member of Congress has received from AIPAC PAC from Jan. 1, 2025 through the end of January 2026.

https://readsludge.com/2026/03/01/here-is-how-much-aipac-has-funneled-to-every-member-of-congress/

DFW

(60,822 posts)
68. There may be some apples and oranges mixed in here, but.....
Sat Jun 27, 2026, 07:09 AM
8 hrs ago

The Koch Brothers' "Americans For Prosperity" PAC spent $138.5 million in the same election cycle, where Karl Rove's American Crossroads spent $60 million, although that was mostly for Republican campaign infrastructure rather than contributions directly to the candidates themselves.

Either way, AIPAC is not in a league by themselves.

Cha

(321,559 posts)
44. Mahalo, BtA.. It's no big mystery why
Fri Jun 26, 2026, 10:19 PM
17 hrs ago

Rabbis across the Country are worried about spreading more Anti-Semitism.

Anti-Zionist stickers given to kids 'an innocent mistake,' Michigan mom says

snip***

During the April 28 event at Beverly Elementary School, children were given stickers with different messages, including at least one that included an image of a gun and another that said " expletive) Zionism"

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100221330562

☮️💙 🌻🕯️🕊️

Response to Cha (Reply #44)

31j20b3

(108 posts)
11. Sometime, probably soon. The rabbis will learn the US ain't taking it so much anymore.
Fri Jun 26, 2026, 04:05 PM
23 hrs ago

Scream antiseminism to comments about Israeli genocide doesn't penetrate the wall of opposition from a majority of the countries of United Nations

I know DU isn't terrribly agronomistic but, everyone REAPS what the SOW.

Live through it, do better. The critisims won't hold forever. It's just criticism, not like AIPAC and Israeli politicians don't do that to the US.

Boo1

(612 posts)
21. 82% of NY jews...
Fri Jun 26, 2026, 05:36 PM
22 hrs ago

Say they are worries about increasing antisemitism stemming from normalization of anti-zionism and the response is "get used it"?

31j20b3

(108 posts)
22. Wisconsin has many fewer Jewish identifiers
Fri Jun 26, 2026, 05:39 PM
22 hrs ago

I think that's true across the US. So things are more likely to go unread on the radar.

New York has larger Jewish population and traditionally, more attention given to their issues.




Eko

(10,194 posts)
26. I dont agree that anti-zionism is antisemitic.
Fri Jun 26, 2026, 07:36 PM
20 hrs ago

I don't think anyone has an inherent right to a country especially one that thinks that right comes from a religion.

Eko

(10,194 posts)
37. Here.
Fri Jun 26, 2026, 09:26 PM
18 hrs ago

I don't think anyone has an inherent right to a country. There is is an adjective you missed that modifies it.

Boo1

(612 posts)
41. What's the difference in having a right
Fri Jun 26, 2026, 10:09 PM
17 hrs ago

and having an inherent right?

If you don't have an inherent right to a country when what is it that gives you that right? Conquest?

Eko

(10,194 posts)
48. inherent
Fri Jun 26, 2026, 10:36 PM
17 hrs ago

- existing in someone or something as a permanent and inseparable element, quality, or attribute; inhering.
permanent and inseparable element
You don't even have to be Jewish to have a right to that country according to the Israeli laws. You just have to convert to Judaism and then you have an inherent right to be a citizen there. But if you are Jewish and convert to another religion before you go there you do not have that right.
If me and my family have not lived somewhere for hundreds of years, or never, why should we have a right to live in that place especially over the people that have been there for hundreds of years?

Mossfern

(4,876 posts)
58. That goes for Muslim countries too?
Sat Jun 27, 2026, 12:05 AM
15 hrs ago

Or Catholic, or Protestant? etc.

I don't want to go down the rabbit hole with this, but I know that you are aware of the expulsion of Jews from Muslim countries in the Mideast. No? The founders of Israel were no especially religious - you know that too.

Let's put it this way: Many antisemitic people use "Zionism" as an excuse.

Eko

(10,194 posts)
63. Yes
Sat Jun 27, 2026, 12:48 AM
15 hrs ago

I don’t think anyone has an inherent right to a country, religious or otherwise. Where does it start? Where does it end? Does it start with this group, or the group before them, or the group before them, which of those groups do you choose? Do the Canaanites and all of their descendants have that inherent right? What about the Natufians? The Amorites? The Philistines? Which one?

Mossfern

(4,876 posts)
73. So you support a One World government?
Sat Jun 27, 2026, 09:36 AM
6 hrs ago

How's that supposed to work?
I don't think that human nature will allow it.

Mossfern

(4,876 posts)
69. Sure
Sat Jun 27, 2026, 09:20 AM
6 hrs ago

But why would one be anti-Zionist if Zionism is merely the belief that Jewish people have a homeland? Are they also anti-Palestinian?
One can be a Zionist and passionately against the actions of Israel just as one can be an American and be passionately against the actions of the present administration.

Eko

(10,194 posts)
88. It is not merely the belief that Jewish people have a homeland
Sat Jun 27, 2026, 12:24 PM
3 hrs ago

Its that that homeland is in Palestine, where a bunch of other people were already living and they created said state at the objection of those people living there. That seems to me a pretty big thing to just gloss over.

Mossfern

(4,876 posts)
90. Palestine was not a nation
Sat Jun 27, 2026, 12:32 PM
3 hrs ago

It was a territory and Jewish people were living there too.
Do you agree that the property and homes that belonged to Jewish people in other Muslim states in the area be returned to them as well? Muslims can practice their religion in Israel - can you say the same for Jews in Palestine?

Wait!
Historically, what happens to Jewish people who even venture into Palestine?

It would serve us all well if people would abandon black and white thinking.

Mossfern

(4,876 posts)
110. Jews are murdered in Palestine
Sat Jun 27, 2026, 03:10 PM
39 min ago

that doesn't justify Netanyahu and right wing actions and policies, but let's be real - the animosity goes both ways.

AI Overview There are multiple historical instances of Israeli youths who were attacked or killed after wandering into, hitchhiking in, or crossing into Palestinian-controlled territories in the West Bank. Some notable cases include:May 2001: Two Israeli teenagers from the Tekoa settlement, Yaakov Mandel and Yosef Ishran, were bludgeoned to death in a cave after skipping class and hiking in a nearby gorge in the West Bank.June 2014: Three Israeli teenagers—Gilad Shaer, Naftali Fraenkel, and Eyal Yifrach—were abducted and killed after hitchhiking near the Alon Shvut settlement in the West Bank. Israeli authorities attributed the abductions and murders to Hamas.April 2024: Binyamin Ahimeir, a 14-year-old Israeli boy, was killed in a suspected terror attack while herding sheep near the outpost of Malachei HaShalom in the West Bank.These types of incidents frequently trigger retaliatory violence and large-scale military or settler rampages in nearby Palestinian villages. To read more about the geopolitical history of these events, consult the New York Times reporting on the 2001 attack or the PBS NewsHour coverage of the 2024 incident.4 sites2014 kidnapping and murders of Israeli teenagers - WikipediaThe 2014 Gush Etzion kidnapping and murder refers to the abduction and killing of three Israeli teenagers in the West Bank during ...Wikipedia2 Jewish Teenagers Are Beaten to Death in the West BankMay 10, 2001 — 2 Jewish Teenagers Are Beaten to Death in the West Bank - The New York Times. World. World|2 Jewish Teenagers Are Beaten to Death ...The New York TimesPalestinian arrested over Israeli boy's killing which sparked ...Apr 22, 2024 — Palestinian arrested over Israeli boy's killing which sparked settler rampage. 22 April 2024. TPS. The military said Binyamin Ahim...BBCShow all

Violet_Crumble

(36,468 posts)
67. Just a correction here...
Sat Jun 27, 2026, 04:53 AM
10 hrs ago

I don't consider this a rabbit hole, expulsions weren't one-sided. Tens of thousands of Palestinians were expelled from what is now Israel, but some don't seem to care because it doesn't suit their narrative. It would have been far less messy if people had been allowed to stay where their homes were and on the land they were connected to.

The founders of Israel? I'm assuming yr talking about Ben-Gurion? He was a realist and worked purely from a political stance because Zionism was and still is a political ideology. While he wasn't particularly religious, he did need to get the religious types onside when Israel was created. He had to make some concessions to Orthodox Jews, which is why things like marriage, divorce etc are controlled by religious law and not civil law. Don't quote me on that last bit, as it's been a long time since I read about it. Which means while the founders weren't particularly religious, they catered to the Orthodox and were very into expanding territory, which is why Israel's borders weren't defined when the state was created.

Oh, no. I just realised I used the term Zionism! I got chided just recently from someone in another thread who informed me that studying Israel and Zionism when I was at uni was proof that there's a disproportionate fixation with Zionism, AND YOU KNOW WHAT THAT MEANS!!!! Unfortunately they never returned to answer my question about how much discussion of Israel is acceptable, so I'm still not clear on what the red line in the sand is, not that I really give a shit...

Yes, I agree with you, Many antisemitic people use "Zionism" as an excuse, though I find the attempts to label all discussion of Zionism as antisemitic is merely an attempt to silence criticism of Israel. And let's be real. I've seen the antisemitic ones on FB and it's not hard to miss. I encountered someone who didn't seem capable of saying 'Israel'. He'd call it the 'Zionist entity' or 'Zionist regime'. The way he said it made it very clear there was something boiling away underneath that was really ugly. Along the same lines, blaming Zionists for all the ills in the world is another giveaway, as well as comparing Israel to Nazi Germany.

What's not accurate is what some in this thread have a habit of doing, which is labelling any and all mentions of Zionism and AIPAC and dog knows how many other keywords as being antisemitic. My rule of thumb is that people who aren't Jewish are Zionists, and AIPAC isn't a Jewish organisation. Insisting on conflating them with Jews is just playing into antisemites hands. Have you noticed some who do this have no qualms about attacking J-Street or Jewish Voice for Peace? Because the issue isn't whether an organisation is Jewish, it's about whether the organisation 110% falls in line and defends everything Israel does.

And because I don't think there's much going on in this thread, I'll just finish up by pointing out that AIPAC is a horrible, hardline group, and anyone who claims to support Israel should get behind J-Street instead. And also, Zohran Mandami is a superhero and I suspect some of the attacks on him come from him not only being a socialist, but a Muslim one

https://jstreet.org/

Mossfern

(4,876 posts)
71. I am well aware of the expulsion of Palestinians as well as their leaving voluntarily during the 1948 war.
Sat Jun 27, 2026, 09:32 AM
6 hrs ago

I am not, anti-Palestinian and strongly support a two state solution.
There's a whole bunch of healing and self soul searching on both sides for this to happen.
That's why I support organizations like Seeds of Peace. https://www.seedsofpeace.org/

Children should be taught love, not hate.
Just think of what can be accomplished!

hookaleft

(1,401 posts)
33. US Gentiles have no problem with the Jewish population. In fact we love and welcome you to the Democratic Party
Fri Jun 26, 2026, 08:20 PM
19 hrs ago

What we are against are the violent actions of Zionists who refuse to live in peace with their neighbors. The destruction and the land grabbing and genocide of the Palestinians. And those horrible Israeli settlers that foment violence and atrocities. Furthermore we do not want another penny of our tax dollars to go to the Zionist government of Israel who is supported by AIPAC in this country. They are going to have to get used to that.

Response to Boo1 (Reply #34)

Bettie

(20,006 posts)
81. Well, if someone could move into your home at any time
Sat Jun 27, 2026, 11:18 AM
4 hrs ago

or come and kill your lifestock and burn said home, kill your family, and tell you that your home/property is theirs now by virtue of their religious beliefs, I doubt you'd feel super friendly toward them.

Oh, or when the laws are written to ensure that you have no rights.

Yeah, I expect some will have a HUGE problem with this video link, but JO is usually pretty accurate in his pieces, so...whatever.

sarisataka

(22,994 posts)
24. Rabbis in the US are "Sowing" the actions of Israel
Fri Jun 26, 2026, 06:47 PM
21 hrs ago

Is that why there is so much antisemitism?

Nanjeanne

(6,844 posts)
16. Mamdani accused AIPAC of pouring "millions of dark-money dollars" into efforts to turn the public against itself.
Fri Jun 26, 2026, 05:02 PM
22 hrs ago

He claimed the lobby feared democracy and “the end of the genocide and Netanyahu’s wars.”

AND? for this he should apologize? I applaud him.

LAS14

(15,583 posts)
20. Exact quotes.
Fri Jun 26, 2026, 05:10 PM
22 hrs ago

From ChatGPT

The key passage, as reported by multiple outlets, was:

"The monsters that we are up against, they take many different forms."

He then went on to single out AIPAC, saying it was an organization:

"for whom the only thing more frightening than democracy being allowed to run its course is an end to genocide and Netanyahu's wars."

He also accused AIPAC of moving:

"millions in dark money to accomplish a single goal, to preserve their power so that they can turn us against one another instead of our leaders turning towards the moral change we all know to be necessary."

The remarks were widely interpreted by critics as calling AIPAC and its supporters "monsters," while Mamdani later disputed that interpretation.

When asked about the controversy, he said he was invoking a line commonly attributed to Antonio Gramsci:

"The old world is dying, and the new world struggles to be born; now is the time of monsters."

Mamdani said:

"I used the term to describe all those who are preventing the birth of a new world. My use of the term is a broad use..."

So, to answer your question precisely:

There is no verified quote in which Mamdani called "Israeli supporters" generally "monsters."
There are verified reports that he used the word "monsters" in a speech that immediately turned to

muriel_volestrangler

(106,869 posts)
75. This is the most complete transcript of his speech I can find
Sat Jun 27, 2026, 10:21 AM
5 hrs ago
“As Gramsci said, ‘The old world is dying and the new world struggles to be born. Now is the time of monsters.’ These monsters take many forms today. In those who fund television ads that blanket the airwaves with misleading and bad faith attacks about Claire (Valdez), Brad Lander), and Dari (Darializa Avila Chevalier), those who would rather spend far more on political contributions than they would ever be made to pay in taxes. In AIPAC, for whom the only thing more frightening than democracy being allowed to run its course is an end to genocide and Netanyahu’s wars.

“They move millions in dark money to accomplish a single goal to preserve their power so that they can turn us against one another instead of our leaders turning towards the moral change we all know to be necessary. In a politics that for too long has asked working people to lower their expectations, to settle for less, to become satisfied with small victories while our wages grow even smaller and our costs grow even larger, to resign ourselves to resignation, to accept the unacceptable.

“In the wealthiest city, in the wealthiest country in the history of the world, we need not live in fear of monsters any longer. If a new world is truly to be born, then where else should it be born than right here in New York?

“Where else should that new world be born than in the city the entire world seeks to emulate?

“On June 23rd, we will win that new world together.”

https://mitchellplitnick.substack.com/p/on-the-eve-of-nyc-primaries-more

So he did invoke Gramsci, though I wouldn't say he "singles out" AIPAC; they are listed along with "those who fund television ads that blanket the airwaves with misleading and bad faith attacks" and "those who would rather spend far more on political contributions than they would ever be made to pay in taxes". I think the "millions in dark money" is aimed at all of them; he talks about "our wages grow even smaller and our costs grow even larger" very soon after, and I think that's clearly at the "those who would rather spend far more on political contributions than they would ever be made to pay in taxes" group.

RockRaven

(20,064 posts)
27. What fuels antisemitism is people like them conflating Jews and Israel/AIPAC
Fri Jun 26, 2026, 07:44 PM
20 hrs ago

for pro-Israel and pro-AIPAC political purposes.

AloeVera

(4,656 posts)
47. Netanyahu is a monster.
Fri Jun 26, 2026, 10:27 PM
17 hrs ago

A genocidal freak.

I refuse to whitewash and excuse him because of his religion/ethnicity. If that makes me an anti-semite in the eyes of the monster's defenders, I'll wear that false smear with honour.

Bye.

Eko

(10,194 posts)
49. Netanyahu and the actions of his government
Fri Jun 26, 2026, 11:05 PM
16 hrs ago

Have created a more unfavorable opinion of Israel in the past couple of years. Nearly 60% of the U.S. public disapproves of Israel's military actions in Gaza. That is a historic high. When you make criticism of Israel, its policies and a PAC that pushes only for supporting Israel anti-Semitic then yes that would increase antisemitism. The top post proves that. Criticizing AIPAC is supposed to be anti-Semitic according to them. The ADL defining anti-Zionism as anti-Semitic when plenty of Jewish people are not Zionist and plenty of non Jewish are Zionist. In a world where more people dont support Israel than they used to and they keep making things that are not anti-Semitic but valid criticisms of the policies of Israel and a PAC that supports them anti-Semitic,,,, I dont know what you want me to believe. You have 700 Rabbis telling us that thinking a PAC that pushes support for a country that is clearly on the route to if not actually being a far right authoritarian state a bad thing is antisemitic. That's antisemitic?.

Response to RockRaven (Reply #27)

Joinfortmill

(21,929 posts)
28. I'm not Jewish, but I have Jewish relatives...
Fri Jun 26, 2026, 07:50 PM
19 hrs ago

I don't know much about this situation. But, my opinion is Israel should rid themselves of Netanyahu. As for Mamdani, I don't know enough to comment.

Celerity

(55,364 posts)
59. not just centrist and conservative Dems but also hard RWer MAGAt rethugs, including 2020 seditionists and traitors
Sat Jun 27, 2026, 12:17 AM
15 hrs ago

They supported 109 treasonous sitting RW Rethug election denialists.

RW-billionaire-funded AIPAC is not a Dem ally on balance. As stated above, in 2022 they endorsed 109 Republicans who refused to certify Biden's election (Including the christofash Speaker of the House Mike Johnson, Gym 'the paedo enabler' Jordan, ultra MAGAette cheerleader Elise Stefanik, the worm of worms Kevin McCarthy, the crazed gunhumper Greg Steube, Ronny 'Trump's drunk Dr Feelgood' Jackson, Joe 'you lie!' Wilson, John 'I am a racist, climate change denying MAGAt, but look!, Henry Cuellar campaigns and fundraises for me so it's all good' Carter, Troy 'make shit up about being threatened, get caught, and then distract by trying to get Biden 25th Amendment'ed' Nehls, etc etc). AIPAC values fealty to a foreign power more than the health of American democracy as shown by their support for those RW treasonous MAGAts simply because the MAGAts are also pro-Israel hawks.

Why pro-Israel lobby group Aipac is backing election deniers and extremist Republicans

Among those candidates endorsed by Aipac is the New York congresswoman Elise Stefanik, a Trump loyalist whose home town newspaper criticised her for “despicable” advertising and “hateful rhetoric” that promoted the racist and antisemitic “great replacement theory”, claiming the US is being flooded with immigrants to outvote white people. The Times Union accused Stefanik of “fear-based political tactics”.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/oct/18/pro-israel-lobby-group-aipac-midterms-election-deniers-and-extremist-republicans



The US’s largest pro-Israel lobby group is backing dozens of racists, homophobes and election deniers running for Congress next month because they have pledged to defend Israel against stiffening criticism of its oppression of the Palestinians. The powerful American Israel Public Affairs Committee (Aipac) has justified endorsing Republicans with extremist views, including members of Congress with ties to white supremacist groups and representatives who attempted to block Joe Biden’s election victory, on the grounds that the singular issue of support for Israel trumps other considerations.

But Aipac’s support for rightwing politicians has privately embarrassed some Democrats also endorsed by the powerful group and drawn accusations from more moderate pro-Israel organisations that it is attempting to stifle legitimate criticism of hardline Israeli policies. Logan Bayroff, a spokesman for J Street, a group campaigning for Washington to take a stronger stand to end the occupation of Palestinian territories, accused Aipac of attempting to impose a narrow definition of what it is to be pro-Israel amid shifting views in Democratic ranks.

“Their actions have made clear that they view pro-Israel, pro-peace progressive Democrats as threats – and Trumpist Republicans as allies. That worldview could not be more out of touch with the vast majority of American Jews,” he said. “Aipac may hope to silence and intimidate political leaders who believe that settlement expansion, endless conflict and permanent occupation are harmful to Israel, the Palestinian people and US interests. Ultimately, however, these common-sense views are too popular, widespread and important to be suppressed, and will continue to gain strength within American politics and among the American Jewish community.”

Aipac’s backing of extreme rightwing Republicans follows its $27m advertising campaign during the Democratic primaries to defeat candidates who spoke up for Palestinian rights, mostly with attacks over issues that had nothing to do with Israel. The campaign is part of push by more hawkish pro-Israel groups to shore up support in Congress in the face of rising advocacy for the Palestinian cause within the Democratic party and erosion of approval for Israeli actions among American Jews, particularly younger people.

snip



updated list:

https://jstreet.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/04/AIPAC-Endorsee-List-042022.pdf

AIPAC endorsees that voted against certifying the 2020 presidential election results

Robert Aderholt (AL-04)
Jerry Carl (AL-01)
Barry Moore (AL-02)
Gary Palmer (AL-06)
Mike Rogers (AL-03)
Andy Biggs (AZ-05)

Debbie Lesko (AZ-08)
David Schweikert (AZ-01)
Rick Crawford (AK-01)
Ken Calvert (CA-41)
Mike Garcia (CA-27)
Darrell Issa (CA-48)
Doug LaMalfa (CA-01)
Kevin McCarthy (CA-20)
Jay Obernolte (CA-23)
Doug Lamborn (CO-05)
Kat Cammack (FL-03)
Mario Diaz-Balart (FL-25)
Byron Donalds (FL-19)
Neal Dunn (FL-02)
Scott Franklin (FL-15)
Carlos Gimenez (FL-26)
Brian Mast (FL-18)
Bill Posey (FL-08)
John Rutherford (FL-04)
Greg Steube (FL-17)
Daniel Webster (FL-11)
Rick Allen (GA-12)
Buddy Carter (GA-01)
Ross Fulcher (ID-01)
Mike Bost (IL-12)
Jim Baird (IN-04)
Jim Banks (IN-03)
Greg Pence (IN-06)

Ron Estes (KS-04)
Jake LaTurner (KS-02)
Tracey Mann (KS-01)
Hal Rogers (KY-05)
John Kennedy (LA-Sen)

Garret Graves (LA-06)
Clay Higgins (LA-03)
Mike Johnson (LA-04)
Steve Scalise (LA-01)

Andy Harris (MD-01)
Jack Bergman (MI-01)
Lisa McClain (MI-09)
Tim Walberg (MI-05)
Michelle Fischbach (MN-07)
Michael Guest (MS-03)
Trent Kelly (MS-01)
Steven Palazzo (MS-04)
Sam Graves (MO-06)
Blaine Luetkemeyer (MO-03)
Jason Smith (MO-08)
Matt Rosendale (MT-02)
Adrian Smith (NE-03)
Jeff Van Drew (NJ-02)
Yvette Herrell (NM-02)
Chris Jacobs (NY-24)
Nicole Malliotakis (NY-11)
Elise Stefanik (NY-21)
Dan Bishop (NC-08)
Virginia Foxx (NC-05)
Richard Hudson (NC-09)
Greg Murphy (NC-03)
David Rouzer (NC-07)
Steve Chabot (OH-01)
Bill Johnson (OH-06)
Jim Jordan (OH-04)
Stephanie Bice (OK-05)
Tom Cole (OK-04)
Kevin Hern (OK-01)
Mike Kelly (PA-16)
Dan Meuser (PA-09)
Scott Perry (PA-10)
Guy Reschenthaler (PA-14)
Lloyd Smucker (PA-11)
G.T. Thompson (PA-15)
Jeff Duncan (SC-03)
Ralph Norman (SC-05)
Tom Rice (SC-07)
William Timmons (SC-04)
Joe Wilson (SC-02)
Tim Burchett (TN-02)

Scott DesJarlais (TN-04)
Chuck Fleischmann (TN-03)
Mark Green (TN-07)
Diana Harshbarger (TN-01)
David Kustoff (TN-08)
John Rose (TN-06)
Jodey Arrington (TX-19)
Brian Babin (TX-36)
Michael Burgess (TX-26)
John Carter (TX-31)
Michael Cloud (TX-27)
Lance Gooden (TX-05)
Ronny Jackson (TX-13)
Troy Nehls (TX-22)

August Pfluger (TX-11)
Pete Sessions (TX-17)
Beth Van Duyne (TX-24)
Randy Weber (TX-14)
Roger Williams (TX-25)
Chris Stewart (UT-02)
Ben Cline (VA-06)
Morgan Griffith (VA-09)
Rob Wittman (VA-01)
Scott Fitzgerald (WI-05)
Carol Miller (WV-01)

CivicGrief

(407 posts)
54. So it's only OK to call Muslims monsters?
Fri Jun 26, 2026, 11:36 PM
16 hrs ago

Sorry but there are some really fucked up people in the Israeli government who want to see Palestinians wiped out as much as Hamas wants to see Israel wiped out. The double-standard is not helpful.

Mossfern

(4,876 posts)
61. Ii haven't heard anyone here say anything of the sort.
Sat Jun 27, 2026, 12:27 AM
15 hrs ago

I also would have no issue for 100's of Imams protesting anti-Muslim inferences.
Why is there a problem with 100's of Rabbis protesting what they see as harmful rhetoric.

wyn borkins

(1,613 posts)
56. Just (One Person) Wondering...
Fri Jun 26, 2026, 11:47 PM
16 hrs ago

(IMHO) This specific discussional seems to have ceased being a part of "General Discussion" and has devolved into something else (?).

Perhaps it should be 'moved' (certainly NOT deleted) to another forum OR to a newly created forum wherein a bit of additional leeway would serve the participants more appropriately...

hlthe2b

(115,201 posts)
96. The I/P forum tries hard to host these kinds of discussions, but in reality the independent forums
Sat Jun 27, 2026, 01:44 PM
2 hrs ago

are somewhat problematic, the decision whether or not to allow a post to remain or to block the poster resides with the host(s) of the forum. Yes, certainly posts can be alerted and juried as well, but in some of the smaller forums (not suggesting I/P specifically as I do think the remaining host tries very hard to be fair), but yes, some single issue forums do block those posters whose single reply or OP is considered in opposition to the main members of the forum.

That is why this probably needs to remain in GD...

sheshe2

(99,046 posts)
64. My take for what it is worth.
Sat Jun 27, 2026, 01:58 AM
13 hrs ago

The Mayor of NY City used the celebration of the NY Knicks win to make an inflammatory political statement. There are approximately 1.4 million Jews that live in the New York City metropolitan area, making it the largest Jewish community outside of Israel.

Mamdani is the mayor of all the people of the city and IMHO he should choose his words wisely. This was the Wrong place. Wrong time. Wrong message.

He is new. He is young. I hope he learns and I wish him the best.

betsuni

(29,445 posts)
66. I was surprised this happened. I hope he learns, too.
Sat Jun 27, 2026, 03:10 AM
12 hrs ago

Yesterday lots of people piled on a talk show host for not liking the mayor's comments, but the comments were unwise.

Demsrule86

(71,578 posts)
104. Israel is involved in Genocide. They must be called out. And a fair number of those
Sat Jun 27, 2026, 02:54 PM
55 min ago

who voted for progressives were Jewish. I am part Jewish...My Great Grandma eloped with her lover in 1900; their families were against the marriage...they were both Jewish...settled in Wisconsin and then Chicago...their families were influential and tried to force them back to Germany...so they changed their religion and hid from their families. In the 1930's my Grandma tried to get them passage to the US...she failed. After the war, no one of the very large family was still alive. Grandma and my Dad looked...all perished. So I understand the need for Israel but it breaks my heart what Israel has become...Netanyahu is a war criminal. I can't jI ustify their behavior in GAZA or Lebanon. I will not vote for any candidate in a primary who defends the Israelis government in terms of GAZA and/ or Lebanon. I always vote Democratic during an election.

MineralMan

(152,049 posts)
76. Not a very smart statement on his part.
Sat Jun 27, 2026, 10:23 AM
5 hrs ago

Religions and governments do not mix well.

I wish we could really have a government that ignored religion altogether. Somewhere. Everywhere. Religion has been the cause of more pain and death than any other human concept.

Feh!

Bettie

(20,006 posts)
82. Religion is the most divisive thing
Sat Jun 27, 2026, 11:25 AM
4 hrs ago

humans have ever invented.

It is, in my opinion, the most corrosive element of human society.

This group wants to kill that group for worshiping the same god the 'wrong way' while both groups want to kill group 3 because they follow a different god...and in the end, no one wins, not really.

MineralMan

(152,049 posts)
84. 100% Agree!
Sat Jun 27, 2026, 11:35 AM
4 hrs ago

Here in the USA, we deliberately separated religion from government. Why? Because the early settlers here were escaping from religious persecution in England. Sadly, now, we're heading toward a conflict between Christian sects in this country. How soon we forget.

And never mind our attitude toward non-Christian religious groups. We hate them all, it seems. All. We even hate other Christians who don't worship the same as we do.

Why can we not dispense with that superstitious nonsense?

Bettie

(20,006 posts)
85. My husband and I talk sometimes about
Sat Jun 27, 2026, 11:39 AM
4 hrs ago

how the real knock down drag out fight will be between the various flavors of "Christian" once the supreme court declares Christianity the state religion (yeah, I know, "they can't do that" and yet...I still expect it to happen).

The Catholics have the numbers and the infrastructure but the Southern Baptists are mean...

This is 90% tongue in cheek, but that 10%....

Demsrule86

(71,578 posts)
98. Israel is involved in war crimes in GAZA and Lebanon...murdering kids.
Sat Jun 27, 2026, 02:31 PM
1 hr ago

It is monstrous. They need to be prosecuted for war crimes. It has nothing to do with the Jewish religion.

31j20b3

(108 posts)
111. Well it hurts feelings when a message that's cherished and been pushed all your life
Sat Jun 27, 2026, 03:12 PM
37 min ago

is roundly rejected by most all the nations on earth.

And so, I can understand why hundreds, if not thousands of Rabbis and millions of followers would reject the pain that they feel in the face of what most nations in the world are suggesting they should actually notice within the expression of their most cherished project and self-imagining



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