I am sick of Trump apologists always using the same bullshit nuclear argument.

[OGBuzz]

This morning on CNN Table for Five, Arthur Aidala said that Iran would have 'blown up the world' if they ever got their hands on a nuclear weapon. FYI Arthur, there have been 2,045 nuclear detonations since 1945, 528 were above ground, and you are still here.
Iran was held in check by the JCPOA until Trump tore it up because....Obama!
If Iran ever needed a reason to develop a nuclear deterrence, your boy just gave them one.

[Midnight Writer]

1. Reminds me of W Bush defenders.

"If Bush hadn't took out Saddam, we'd all be speaking A-rab right now."

[OGBuzz]

4. Saddam was a terrible man but he was also a sworn enemy of Al-Qaeda. Al-Qaeda gave rise to ISIS. Bush skipped the...

lecture where they covered 'the enemy of my enemy is my friend'.

[ProfessorGAC]

6. Another Point On That

Sadam Hussein was the only dictator in the world at that point who learned first hand what happens when you cross the United States.
The took out the "world's 4th largest military", who had Soviet backing & war technology in under a week.
He was the opposite of a threat to the US, because he got his ass handed to him once already. And the only reason he was still in power is that the allied countries decided they had proven their point.
He was never going to attack the US or its friends again!

[OGBuzz]

11. For the same reasons I don't believe that Iran has any interest in attacking the U.S., or Europe, or.....

anyone else for that matter. Iran is not suicidal. People fearmongering about Iran's nuclear threat should learn a bit about the bigger picture.

The 9 Nuclear-Armed States:

Russia: Estimated 5,459 warheads
United States: Estimated 5,277 warheads
China: Estimated 600 warheads
France: Estimated 290 warheads
United Kingdom: Estimated 225 warheads
India: Estimated 180 warheads
Pakistan: Estimated 170 warheads
Israel: Estimated 90 warheads (Israel maintains a policy of ambiguity and has never officially confirmed or denied its nuclear status)
North Korea: Estimated 50 warheads

[ProfessorGAC]

12. As To Russia...

...as a side note, we have no idea how many of those actually work.
They've been overestimating their military competence since before WW1.

[OGBuzz]

14. Their conventional military weakness is on full display in Ukraine.

What Putin thought would be 2-3 weeks exercise has turned into 4 years and it's looking worse for Russia by the day. I do however worry about their 'Tsar Bomba'.

[ProfessorGAC]

17. Worry Is Reasonable

Still not convinced it actually works.

[Melon]

2. Iran has freely admitted that they are enriching uranium well beyond

any kind of domestic energy program. They are enriching uranium for weapons. The regime government is fanatically religious extremist that fund Hamas, Houthis and others.

Trump can be shit without believing for one second that these guys should posses nuclear weapons. A nuclear weapon going off a mile underground or in the South Pacific is not equivalent to one being sent into London or Riyadh.

[OGBuzz]

5. It will be Donald or Bibi who will set off the nukes.

[Emile]

10. Trump withdrew the United States from the Iran nuclear agreement.

So apparently there wasn't a threat, until Trump made it possible.

[Melon]

15. Trump is shit. Iran should not posses nuclear weapons.

Two truths in the same issue.

[dpibel]

18. London! Riyadh!! Then what happens?

If Iran were to set off a nuke in London or Riyadh or anywhere else, what do you imagine would happen next?

The world would surrender to the Ayatollahs?

Or perhaps the much-lusted-after-by-some "glassing over" of an Islamic country would come to pass.

It beggars the imagination to believe that even religious extremists would commit national suicide.

Unless, I guess, one is you, in which case that proposition is a very real bogey man.

[Skittles]

3. YES

and MAGAts worship a "nutcase with nukes"

[OGBuzz]

8. And you know he's been thinking about it....

“If there’s no ceasefire, you’re just going to have to look at one big glow coming out of Iran,” Trump said at the Lincoln Memorial Reflecting Pool, May 7, 2026.

[Whip-poor-will]

7. Get the minuteman missile out of your eye before you pluck the drone out of their eye

Who proved they couldn't possess but not use nuclear weapons so far ?

[BlueTsunami2018]

9. If Iran had a nuke, none of this would be happening.

Because we don’t bully nuclear nations in a physical way. The imperialists would have to deal with them on a mostly equal footing. They never want that. You can’t loot and exploit nuclear countries.

[OGBuzz]

13. "Little Rocket Man" over in North Korea agrees 100%. It's all about deterrence.

[Disaffected]

16. It's a kind of Faustian Bargain

Little or no conventional war but at a price of the possibility of annihilation.

Trouble is, the longer such a situation lasts, the greater the possibility of said annihilation occurring (either deliberately or accidentally). The result has been about 80 years w/o a world war but, it is a major miracle IMO that we have avoided a nuclear disaster so far.

How much longer till our luck runs out? The more countries with nukes, the shorter our life expectancy.

[indusurb]

19. We have gone through this same song and dance when a country we don't like gets a nuke

"OMG they're going to blow up the world!" Russia, China, Pakistan, North Korea. The fact of the matter is that a nuclear bomb is, in many ways, the most useless weapon in the world, because all or these "bad guys" know that if they drop the bomb anywhere, be it on the US, Isreal, wherever, that somebody is going to drop a shit ton of nukes on them. MAD, mutually assured destruction. Even the craziest of world leaders knows this. The only thing a bomb is good for is to deter another country from dropping the bomb on them.

Fact of the matter is the US is still the only country to drop the big ones in war, and we were only able to do so because nobody else had one. After Russia got the bomb, and MAD was established, not another bomb was dropped. Meanwhile they sit in their silos, eating up billions in maintenence costs, never to be fired.

I'm not terribly worried about Iran getting a bomb because like North Korea, they're not going to use it. They have a healthy sense of self preservation.

[OGBuzz]

20. 100%

[dpibel]

21. It amazes me

How do people overlook this utterly straightforward fact?

You have to imagine a commitment to national suicide.

And for nothing. The tiny nuclear powers can cause some harm. But they're not going to win any prize except annihilation.