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Swede

(39,162 posts)
Sat Mar 7, 2026, 09:29 PM Saturday

Alabama set to execute man who did not kill anyone

This is brutal.

“I shouldn’t die for something I haven’t done,” Burton told NBC News in a phone interview Monday from William C. Holman Correctional Facility, the site of the state’s execution chamber, where he has spent more than 30 years on death row.
“Felony murder allows for everybody involved in the underlying offense to be treated by the legal system as if they committed an intentional murder,” says Nazgol Ghandnoosh, director of research at The Sentencing Project, an advocacy group

In 1991, Burton was one of six men involved in the robbery of a AutoZone store in Talladega that ended with the murder of a customer, Doug Battle.

Burton admits to entering the store armed with a gun. He said he stole cash from a safe in the back room, then fled outside to wait by a getaway car.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/alabama-set-execute-man-not-kill-anyone-rcna262113

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Disaffected

(6,368 posts)
2. It's an old English legal principle that goes back centuries.
Sat Mar 7, 2026, 09:51 PM
Saturday

"In for a penny, in for a pound". Not entirely spurious IMO.

Celerity

(54,184 posts)
5. That is not what 'In for a penny, in for a pound' means. We (I grew up in London) use it to mean that once you start
Sun Mar 8, 2026, 12:51 AM
Yesterday

something you should always endeavour to see it through until the end, no matter the cost, no matter the amount of effort needed to complete the task(s).

In terms of legal origins, it used to be said (under the old English debt laws, which were ofttimes quite severe) that 'If you owe a penny, you might as well owe a pound' in regards to the consequences (they were the same, or nearly so).

Another variant (in terms of informal legal idiomatic use in England) is:

'One might as well be hanged for a sheep as a lamb'

But again, it has a different meaning than what you implied about 'in for a penny, in for a pound'.

https://www.worldwidewords.org/qa-one3.html

The standard form is one might as well be hanged for a sheep as a lamb, though you sometimes come across it as one might as well be hanged for a goat as a lamb. Strictly, it’s a justification or excuse for going on to commit some greater offence once one has perpetrated a minor one. These days it often suggests that once one has become involved in some affair or incident (not necessarily illegal), one may as well commit oneself entirely.

This example is from Sons and Lovers by D H Lawrence, of 1913: “It seemed as if she did not like being discovered in her home circumstances... But she might as well be hung for a sheep as for a lamb. She invited him out of the mausoleum of a parlour into the kitchen.”

The origin lies in the brutal history of English law. At one time, a great many crimes automatically attracted the death penalty: you could be hanged, for example, for stealing goods worth more than a shilling. Sheep stealing was among these capital crimes. So if you were going to steal a sheep, you might as well take a full-grown one rather than a lamb, because the penalty was going to be the same either way.

Since the law was reformed in the 1820s to end the death penalty for the crime, the proverb must be older; in fact the earliest example known is from John Ray’s English Proverbs of 1678: “As good be hang’d for an old sheep as a young lamb”.

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Hope that all helps.

Cheers,

Cel

Disaffected

(6,368 posts)
8. Thanks. It is also apparently used informally in a legal setting.
Sun Mar 8, 2026, 02:47 AM
23 hrs ago

Goggle sez:

The phrase “in for a penny, in for a pound” is sometimes used informally when discussing criminal liability, but it is not a legal term. It loosely describes doctrines like:

accomplice liability

conspiracy liability

felony-murder rule (U.S.)

All of which can result in someone who didn’t directly commit the act being punished similarly to the principal offender.


I have also seen it used in an English murder trial movie long ago which IIRC is where I picked up the expression.

Anyhow, it's a useful phrase no matter what the specific situation!

Celerity

(54,184 posts)
9. Fair enough. I have not seen it used in the UK like you showed it is used at times in the US.
Sun Mar 8, 2026, 06:54 AM
19 hrs ago

I have learned so much in regards to idiom from my 7 and half plus years here on DU.

One of my all-time favourites is the Aussie expression 'As useful as tits on a bull', although TBH I did know that before I came to DU in mid 2018, but an Aussie DU jogged my memory long ago.

Thanks for the input,

Cel

Celerity

(54,184 posts)
6. The death penalty is a barbarous relic, and it is utterly shameful that the US still uses it at multiple levels of
Sun Mar 8, 2026, 01:23 AM
Yesterday
jurisdiction.

In 2024, the ten countries that are known (my add, North Korea and Viet Nam have also executed people extensively, but there is no verified data for either, and adding them in still does not remove the US from the top 10) to have executed the most people were, in descending order, China (1,000+), Iran (972+), Saudi Arabia (345+), Iraq (63+), Yemen (38+), Somalia (34+), The United States (25), Egypt (13), Singapore (9), and Kuwait (6).

What a horrid list for the US to be on!

This report covers the judicial use of the death penalty for the period January to December 2024. Amnesty International’s monitoring shows an increase by 32% in recorded executions compared to 2023. This does not include the thousands of people believed to have been executed in China, as well as in North Korea and Viet Nam, also believed to have resorted to executions extensively. For the second consecutive year, executing countries reached the lowest number on record.

https://www.amnesty.org/en/documents/act50/8976/2025/en/



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Melon

(1,448 posts)
7. I won't defend the death penalty in this situation
Sun Mar 8, 2026, 01:35 AM
Yesterday

But I absolutely believe that if you are participating in a crime, you are responsible with your codefendants in enabling the crime…all the crimes..you are charged with and transpire. If someone dies while you are committing the crime, you yourself are also responsible for that death. If you commit a crime resulting in a police chase, and an officer died in the pursuit, his blood is on your hands.

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