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THIBODAUX, La. (AP) — The teasing was relentless. Nude images of a 13-year-old girl and her friends, generated by artificial intelligence, were circulating on social media and had become the talk of a Louisiana middle school.
The girls begged for help, first from a school guidance counselor and then from a sheriff’s deputy assigned to their school. But the images were shared on Snapchat, an app that deletes messages seconds after they’re viewed, and the adults couldn’t find them. The principal had doubts they even existed.
Among the kids, the pictures were still spreading. When the 13-year-old girl stepped onto the Lafourche Parish school bus at the end of the day, a classmate was showing one of them to a friend.
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Fed up, she attacked a boy on the bus, inviting others to join her. She was kicked out of Sixth Ward Middle School for more than 10 weeks and sent to an alternative school. She said the boy whom she and her friends suspected of creating the images wasn’t sent to that alternative school with her. The 13-year-old girl’s attorneys allege he avoided school discipline altogether.
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Stargleamer
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sarisataka
(22,203 posts)It is the long-standing practice of how schools deal with bullying
slightlv
(7,396 posts)OUR voices don't count now, and they have never counted where truth about a matter is concerned. Even in church, they're taught they have no responsibility for their own actions, Eve was to blame for everything that happened to them and was responsible for demonically possessing girls. For that reason, you could never trust a word coming out of a female's mouth.
And yet, when I "switched" religions, those around me just couldn't understand why'd I got to something like The Craft, where the "devil" reigned supreme. Decades of trying to change their attitudes hasn't helped to where now, I just do my own thing and they can do theirs. But I have no doubt when push comes to shove, I'll be turned in for my beliefs to the all powerful Dominionist one-world theology.
rampartd
(3,577 posts)go figure
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sarisataka
(22,203 posts)I will wish you a happy holiday early in case if you’re not around in a couple of days
electric_blue68
(25,615 posts)Effing creeps.
mdbl
(8,020 posts)Scalded Nun
(1,590 posts)electric_blue68
(25,615 posts)😔😬
rpannier
(24,845 posts)Trueblue1968
(19,058 posts)electric_blue68
(25,615 posts)Would she be more harrassed because of that?
Attilatheblond
(8,142 posts)I recall 15 years ago, when a lot of kids first got cell phones, there was a problem with boys in school 'flashing' girls with pictures of their own 'junk'. It was hell for schools to stop because parents didn't want their precious babies to be without those phones during the day. It was even a problem where I was living then, a VERY rural, VERY red county.
Yeah, 'Christian values' and the parents were more appalled at the possibility there sons would have to check their phones at the school house door than they were about their sons taking dick selfies to flash around the school halls. School administrators lost the fight, the boys kept their phones, and the girls kept getting 'flashed' in the halls.
Oh, and there were 3 known rapists in town who never got punished for their well known crimes.
electric_blue68
(25,615 posts)😑😬😬
Attilatheblond
(8,142 posts)In a county with a population of around 1200, it wasn't like nobody knew.
electric_blue68
(25,615 posts)
WhiskeyGrinder
(26,166 posts)gosh I wonder how women learn to not report their assaults
Bengus81
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niyad
(129,334 posts)
Zackzzzz
(244 posts)Volaris
(11,353 posts)Linda ladeewolf
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ShazzieB
(22,148 posts)I was getting ready to post something about "another win for the patriarchy," because tale of boys offending and girls being punished is an old and sad one. I still blame the patriarchy, but in a more nuanced way, because in this case the patriarchy has been aided and enabled by a woman. Ugh! Smash the patriarchy, y'all!
niyad
(129,334 posts)are my sisters.
Attilatheblond
(8,142 posts)True, we wish she had been brave enough to stand up to the offenders (and their parents, the school board, the community at large) but she, like the victimized girls, lives in a very VERY sick patriarchy. Even if she wanted to do something about the situation, was she really free to do that?
Not letting her off the hook for not doing the right thing, but just pointing out she is a SHE and the culture is stacked against her just like those victimized school girls.
ShazzieB
(22,148 posts)You raise some very valid points, and I appreciate that. What angered me, though, was that she seemed so ready to disbelieve the girls who reported this. Later in the article, she was quoted as saying, "“Kids lie a lot. They lie about all kinds of things. They blow lots of things out of proportion on a daily basis. In 17 years, they do it all the time. So to my knowledge, at 2 o’clock when I checked again, there were no pictures.”
It made me see red that a female authority figure seemed to be so ready to dismiss a report of this kind of blatant sexual harassment from a ternage girl. I would have been angry if a male authority figure did this, but a woman doing it adds insult to injury, afaic.
What if the principal had at least given that girl the benefit of a doubt? What a difference would have made if she had been at least a little bit sympathetic? I can understand that she may have felt that the actions she could take were limited without the direct evidence of the pictures themselves, but it sounds like she was pretty dismissive about the whole thing.
As I said in my earlier post, the tale of boys offending and girls being (directly or indirectly) punished is an old and sad one. If not for the mindset of "kids (especially girls) always be making stuff up," this situation might have been handled much differently. Even though the principal's hands were probably tied as far as disciplining the boys, expressing empathy instead of skepticism could have gone a long way toward at least making this girl feel like 1) she was being heard, and 2) someone actually gave a damn. But it seems clear that didn't happen, and she was obviously deeply hurt by the principal's lack of concern. That is why she was mad enough to literally punch somebody by tne time she got on the school bus.
Yes, the principal did have to play by the rules to keep her job, and I'm sure this has been no picnic for her. But she could have played by the rules and kept her job while also being supportive and sympathetic to this girl and her friends. This was where she really messed up, imo, and it's why I am still side eyeing her treatment of that girl.
Yes, the culture is stacked against her just like those victimized school girls, and that sucks. There are no real winners here (except maybe the patriarchy), that's for sure.
Attilatheblond
(8,142 posts)The system pounds it into us at a very early age: 'YOU don't matter. What you say doesn't matter. So shut up and deal with the reality that boys will get away with tormenting you'.
gulliver
(13,698 posts)Australia just started doing that. Social Media and smart phones are a Pandora's box of problems. It's not just AI.
I think everyone feels helpless and just shrugs.
highplainsdem
(59,633 posts)slightlv
(7,396 posts)There are lots of things children can't be exposed to until they're at least 18. The age probably needs to be adjusted, even still. Brains do not stop developing until sometime in the mid 20's. And I have to wonder if, as far behind as development in normal situations is for boys, if maybe things should be denied until they're at least 30.
Problem with it, is no matter what medium it is, boys will still gain access to it by hook or by crook. Look how many got started with they're father's Penthouse stash! What we need are better parents to these kids. The kids will do whatever they think they can get away with, and if there's no adult around to squash it, then they just go on testing boundaries that seem to have no stopping point. If their own parents won't punish them, the school teacher, guidance counselor, principle, or safety officer won't help they have no one to deter them from their actions.
That leads to thoughts of separate schools. But those end up a disaster because the girls' are always underfunded, taught differentially from the boys, and yet girls are more developed and more intelligent that boys at the high school age. But the boys school gets all the money, the best teachers, and the best curriculum. Why? Because it's "just girls" over in the other school.
There is just so much prejudice and no way to seemingly get a handle on changing that with white men/boys.... and this one, I can't even declare just white men/boys. It seems to be a part of the male species, itself... regardless of color or culture.
Volaris
(11,353 posts)If a kid needs a phone for calls to parents or text messages to friends, a cheap burner flip phone will suffice.
Roy Rolling
(7,392 posts)
Fullduplexxx
(8,604 posts)niyad
(129,334 posts)
NotHardly
(2,557 posts)
MustLoveBeagles
(14,512 posts)
cab67
(3,619 posts)Are schools able to take disciplinary action in cases of cyberbullying if the cyberbullying itself doesn't arise from school computer equipment, or on private equipment but on school grounds?
I ask because I genuinely don't know.
I worry that if schools are powerless under those circumstances, they may be equally powerless with AI-based bullying. Students showing the pictures can (and should) be held accountable, but if the images were generated and initially distributed off-campus, there may be nothing the school can do to those who made the images.
And how are these images not child pornography?
I hope I'm wrong. I was bullied quite badly for much of my time in school, and at 58, it still affects me. I was quiet, socially awkward (mostly through having been ostracized),, small for my grade, and less interested in sports than in science, which put a big target on my back.
Nothing at all was done about the bullies; in one case, it happened at a Catholic school and one of the bully's parents were prominent in the parish. We were told if a school employee didn't see anything, there was nothing they could do. I even had one of those "shake hands and be friends" things happen at that Catholic school when I was in 6th grade.
Many people - my parents included - urged me to fight back. This ignores some basic facts - it was usually multiple bullies, they were usually much larger, and some of them could have been armed. I could have been seriously hurt or killed.
My daughter doesn't have that problem. She's outgoing and popular. And for that, I'm grateful. And I'm grateful beyond words that my youth happened before cyberbullying became a thing.
MustLoveBeagles
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cab67
(3,619 posts)I cannot tolerate anyone looking over my shoulder.
I also feel attacked if anyone publishes a paper that draws conclusions different from those I’ve published. In fact, they’re not attacking me - they just interpret some of the observations differently - but I have to give myself a few days before I contact the authors. (I’ve made the mistake of not doing so, leading to big apologies from me.)
I take great exception to anyone who dismisses bullying as ‘teasing.’ Everyone gets teased, but bullying is different. It’s every day. Eventually, you agree with the bullies’ assessment of you - that you’re weak, worthless, and as one one who deserves to be beaten and ridiculed.
The standard for disciplining cyberbullying - or any kind - is whether the conduct creates a "substantial disruption" at school. Most cases do create that, and a public school dusciplining will survive any First Amendment challenges. Doesn't matter where the content was generated; the key is how it affects the school environment. If a single student is targeted, that creates disruption for that kid and can be disciplined.
lame54
(39,181 posts)It would be able to identify under age and reject the request
Oneironaut
(6,195 posts)Boys and men are always given a pass for shitty behavior, which women and girls are blamed for.
Of course this society loves teaching girls as young as possible how shit society is, and, what they have to look forward to for their entire lives (male bullies getting away with everything and growing up into entitled man children who never learned their lesson and who always escape consequences) unless somehow as a society we change. We can, but, seem unwilling to - especially when the same kids who do stuff like this grow up and become our leaders.
MustLoveBeagles
(14,512 posts)
Solly Mack
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MagickMuffin
(18,064 posts)Show them with teeny tiny baby dicks and see if they think it’s funny when the shoe is on the other foot. I bet they wouldn’t like it one bit. However, I’m almost certain that the girls would still be the ones in trouble. Boys are extra special that way!
calimary
(88,861 posts)We’ve all been told that “turnabout is fair play”, haven’t we?
MagickMuffin
(18,064 posts)Otherwise they will continue to be bullies. However, girls would probably face any repercussions because boys will be boys, but girls must be held accountable.
Farmer-Rick
(12,407 posts)The nude images of her were unavailable, so much so the woman in charge claimed they didn't even exist. Then the only images they would have would be of the nude boy. It would mean charges for her and not for him.
Unless, the girl collected evidence, she would be in worse trouble than the boys.
As a parent, I would have removed my child from the school and get her with a lawyer and computer expert. Of course this requires money. But damn, I couldn't leave my child to put up with this without help.
Ms. Toad
(38,093 posts). . . It was on the day of the girl’s disciplinary hearing, three weeks after the fight, that the first of the boys was charged.
The student was charged with 10 counts of unlawful dissemination of images created by artificial intelligence under a new Louisiana state law, part of a wave of such legislation around the country. A second boy was charged in December with identical charges, the sheriff's department said. Neither was identified by authorities because of their ages.
So while it never should have gotten to the point in school where the girl felt she had no options short of beating the boys us - the boys are facing criminal charges and the girl is not, despite the fact that she could have been charged with battery for her attack on them.
Disaffected
(6,118 posts)Not surprisingly IMO. First priority is to get eyeballs on, second (or is it third or fourth?) is credibility. Such applies to not only the MSM but also, unfortunately, sometimes here as well.
MustLoveBeagles
(14,512 posts) sarisataka
(22,203 posts)But that the victim was not believed and was punished for her actions in response to the bullying
The school ignored the bullies except for the most tepid investigation until criminal charges were filed.
Further, I would argue the trauma of being victimized by fellow students and again by the school system will have far more lasting effects on the life of the victim than whatever punishment the juvenile system applies to the bullies.
Ms. Toad
(38,093 posts)I agree that the girl will have much more long-term impact both from the trauma of the event, but also from how the school handled it. I also agree that the school completely mismanaged it.
But it isn't true that the boys got off scott free - at least not yet. Two entities are charged with disciplining physical violence at school - the school and the legal system. In this case, one handled it appropriately; the other did not.
popsdenver
(1,420 posts)Why can't they, because of the girl's age.... charge the boys with distributing child porn, and really mess the boys up for life?????????
Ms. Toad
(38,093 posts)Child pornography laws exist (when the same images couldn't be prohibited if the individuals depicted were adults) because a child was inherently harmed in the making of the pornography. Children can't legally consent to sex, for example - so to create a video of children having sex requires a forced (because of their inability to consent) sexual behavior.
But - for the sake of discussion - let's just limit child pornography to nude images of children (under 18 years old).
Is an image of a nude 20 year old who appears to be 12 years old child pornography? Does it matter if that particular 20 year old was chosen because she appears to be 12? Does it matter if the recipient purchased (or even just obtained it) because they believed the adult to be a child? Who decides what age someone appears to be for purposes of the law?
Now let's paste the head of a 12 year old child onto the nude body of that 20 year old. Is that an image of a nude child? It isn't the child's body that is nude - it is the 20 year old who can consent to being photographed nude. The child's head may not have any clothing on it - but her body may have been fully clothed when the headshot was taken. She certainly wasn't harmed in the making of it. Does it matter if the 12 year old's body is indistinguishable from the 20 year old's body?
Take that one step farther (as these boys did) - you submit a headshot to a generative AI app and ask it to add a nude childlike body to the headshot. Is that an image of a nude child?
If it is not a nude child it is not child pornography - so if it isn't a nude child, sharing it can't be disseminating child pornography?
Legally - the basis for banning child pornography (or the dissemination of it) has been the harm to the child in making it. So using those laws to prosecute individuals when no child was harmed in making it is troublesome.
Legally what they were doing was more akin to libel (publishing printed falsehoods about an individual who can be identified from the falsehood without regard to whether it is true or not, and which does reputational damage to the individual). It's a falsehood because it isn't her body attached to her head. She's recognizable by her head. Because it suggests she was posing nude it damages her reputation. And they were reckless in sharing it without checking to see if it was true (or knew it wasn't and shared it anyway). But that's not very satisfying - since it's a civil suit, rather than a criminal charge.
Congratulations - you've now had an introduction to law school (it's a 24 hour course with a lot of hypothetical questions like the above to prepare students who are entering law school to think like lawyers). It's precisely the kind of thinking judges have to go through when new technology challenges existing law and none of the old laws quite fit and new laws don't yet exist. (Or lawyers trying to stretch a law to better serve their client.)
The reality is that pornography law has not caught up to technology - either the photoshop type photo alteration or the AI version. Louisiana at least has a law that fits, so that is what they were charged under.
I looked, but couldn't quickly find, whether either adults or juveniles could be required to register as sex offenders for violating this law.
popsdenver
(1,420 posts)The legal technicalities are overwhelming........nothing is simple these days...........(and getting worse)
Thank you for taking the time to explain !!!!!!!!
Aussie105
(7,540 posts)The cause was a bit too complicated for the school to deal with.
That was eventually dealt with.
If the school was smart enough, they would have a whose school assembly and detail the whole sequence of events without namig names.
Just to get the message across that there are consequences for both the images and the fighting.
moonshinegnomie
(3,823 posts)i wonder how the boys parents will react after getting hit with a huge lawsuit....
cab67
(3,619 posts)If copies are found, the kids who made them and their parents are going to be in a very deep hole indeed. At the very least, they should be paying for their victims' college educations.
Martin Eden
(15,315 posts)I hate to think what it can do in the hands of a fascist government.
Hoosier_Progressiv
(59 posts)
Joinfortmill
(19,908 posts)And, she has heard me rant about this many times. The bullying can go on for weeks or months, in school, out of school, on social media and it never seems to be addressed or often even noticed, or worse ignored until the bullied person finally can't take it anymore and lashes out or harms themselves. Schools do a very poor job managing bullying.
Initech
(107,241 posts)But sometimes, drastic measures have to be taken. 
BurnDoubt
(1,372 posts)Until they get a beat-down, they're NEVER going to stop.
THAT'S ALL---ALL THEY RESPECT... TO BE TOTALLY DOMINATED.
But, yeah... punish the victim.
That's why bullying works.
SLAP YOUR PASTOR!!!!!
BurnDoubt
(1,372 posts)It's one of the MAGA Ten Commandments.
"Human Kindness is Weak Wokeness".
Jack Valentino
(4,251 posts)and circulated it for his humiliation!!!!!
Bev54
(13,152 posts)by a 17 year old who used AI to spread pics of many different girls from different schools. He has been charged.
RockCreek
(1,244 posts)It is very heartening to see this prosecuted in Canada, and that Canada has made changes in its Criminal Code to keep up with changes in technology and human understanding.
Bev54
(13,152 posts)criminality. Some crimes are not getting the attention they should, hopeful our new government will make some upgrades in the new judicial review.
Morbius
(871 posts)I believe the school was predisposed to presume the girl was lying when they couldn't find the pictures, which had been deleted. Kudos to the police who did press charges.
What a rotten story. 2025 has been a rotten year, am I right?
blue-wave
(4,816 posts)Aren't there child filters on phones for minors? Why have the parents not implemented them for every one of those kids? Yes, this is an outrage and if society continues to allow it, we will experience more and more of this.
The human brain is not fully developed until around age 30. The sexualization of our children must stop. If it doesn't, what kind of society should we expect in our future?
And it's not just boys doing this to girls. The sexual harassment is now moving in both/all directions. What are we doing to our kids and our society?
Jedi Guy
(3,397 posts)The parents might put a lock on the kid's phone but I'd bet you money the kid would get through it. There's no such thing as foolproof security and there's a how-to for damn near everything on the web if you look hard enough.
The better question is, why didn't these parents teach their sons to be decent, respectful human beings? Why didn't they teach their sons to treat women and girls (and everyone else) with respect and decency? Why didn't they teach their sons not to behave like animals?
I got up to some pretty wild shit in my teenage years but nothing even close to this. We pulled pranks and shit like that. If I'd ever done anything like this my parents would have hung me out to dry and left me to face the music on my own. No getting a lawyer for me, no standing with me in court, none of that.
I'd be willing to bet the kid's parents in this case are lawyering up and doing everything they can to protect their precious punkin from facing any consequences.
blue-wave
(4,816 posts)about technology, but that doesn't mean we not try harder and make a phone or some sort of technology that is kid proof. Never give up!!
The part about about parents teaching their kids to be decent to one another is exactly my point. Many of these kids will be parents one day. No one in their families will have a clue as to decent moral values. I wonder if we as a society have passed the breaking point on this issue. How many families today are being raised by adults who were not taught right from wrong? If this issue is not addressed the problem will just become more complicated to correct as it intensifies.
markbark
(1,622 posts)And press charges against both the boys AND the administrators.
Charge the boys with creating child porn and the admin for failing to report.
JI7
(93,115 posts)They should at least push for laws like making what happened here illegal.