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jmowreader

(52,724 posts)
Fri Oct 24, 2025, 03:23 PM Yesterday

I just did a Google Maps measurement of the White House grounds

We are told that Trump wants to build a 90,000-square-foot ballroom and that he needed to remove the East Wing of the White House to get it in there.

According to Google Maps, it's only 150 feet from where the west wall of the East Wing used to stand to the fenceline encasing the White House property. Security considerations preclude taking the building all the way to the fence, so we'll say the ballroom can be no more than 100 feet wide. 90,000/100 = 900 feet long. If you start at the northern wall of the former East Wing, 900 feet lands your southern wall in the middle of E Street. The logical place to put this ballroom would have been below-grade on the north side of the White House - the fancy part that all the tourists want to see is on the south side - and by doing so, no demolition would have been required.

The question I'm starting to ask myself is, is Trump really planning to build a ballroom or did he just rip one end off the White House to be a vindictive dickhead?

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I just did a Google Maps measurement of the White House grounds (Original Post) jmowreader Yesterday OP
Maybe he's carting it down to Mara Lago Raven123 Yesterday #1
Option 2 dweller Yesterday #2
Sadly, that seems to be true PatSeg Yesterday #5
I call him a petulant toddler, but he's also a vindictive dickhead. CaptainTruth 22 hrs ago #28
100% vapor2 20 hrs ago #55
I'll buy the vindictive aspect.... MiHale Yesterday #3
Option B leftstreet Yesterday #4
Perhaps there is to be a second floor & underground parking included in the square footage. Bernardo de La Paz Yesterday #6
Square footage is calculated based on heated space only jmowreader Yesterday #9
They can't put underground parking under the East Wing. The presidential bunker is there. SunSeeker 23 hrs ago #17
That's why he's not done... lame54 Yesterday #7
THIS orangecrush 6 hrs ago #57
A deep bunker for billionaires. thought crime Yesterday #8
Only good if there popsdenver 22 hrs ago #30
There was a post here today where an actual Klarkashton Yesterday #10
Here it is - a very interesting analysis. TheRickles 23 hrs ago #14
At 90,000 sf, its footprint would require more than two acres of land. Eyeballing allegorical oracle Yesterday #11
90K is likely a lie JCMach1 23 hrs ago #12
Of course. This coming from the guy... mwooldri 22 hrs ago #25
💯 JCMach1 22 hrs ago #26
Also he wanted to claim that after 9/11, it was "the tallest building in lower Manhattan" viva la 22 hrs ago #34
He has no idea how big the ballroom drmeow 23 hrs ago #13
I'd go with dickhead. He's a vicious senile bastard who hates this country. NNadir 23 hrs ago #15
Does anyone have a list of the east wing's furnishings? Half-step 23 hrs ago #16
All White House furnishings and fixtures are inventoried, or at least they used to be. nt SunSeeker 23 hrs ago #18
Last time he made off with boxes full of top secret classified documents, and got away with it. sop 22 hrs ago #39
lol... they were throwing stuff out the windows a few weeks ago Arazi 21 hrs ago #52
There will be a conditioned basement. And probably a 2nd floor in the non-ballroom space. maxsolomon 23 hrs ago #19
The plans will be released in two weeks. madinmaryland 23 hrs ago #21
Right after the plan to replace Obamacare, right? viva la 22 hrs ago #35
Motel 47 will open soon. We'll shine the light in your face. Rooms by the hour, sheets changed weekly, maybe. twodogsbarking 23 hrs ago #20
It's going to be a Trump Tower relayerbob 23 hrs ago #22
Vindictive dickhead works for me. ananda 23 hrs ago #23
3 levels is my guess. IbogaProject 22 hrs ago #24
Asking why is a good start quakerboy 22 hrs ago #27
I bet you're right. viva la 22 hrs ago #37
To be fair, someone is funding it quakerboy 2 hrs ago #59
I saw a post that said he's building a new, larger state of the art underground bunker with all the Autumn 22 hrs ago #29
Perhaps he's planning a nuclear war... RussBLib 22 hrs ago #38
I wander if this all has to do with the bunker. Melon 22 hrs ago #31
''...The logical place to put this Epstein ballroom would have been below-grade ...''. There, I fixed it. n/t aggiesal 22 hrs ago #32
A lot of people are saying he will build a ballroom the likes of which the world has never seen! nt Shermann 22 hrs ago #33
Satellite shows what's really happening at the East Wing of the White House usonian 22 hrs ago #36
"Take that, Melania!" viva la 21 hrs ago #43
He's a psychopath. The fact is... littlemissmartypants 22 hrs ago #40
Sounds like someone we all (to our sorrow) have to see on the news every day. viva la 21 hrs ago #45
Wikipedia has a site map supposedly based on a model shown this month William Seger 21 hrs ago #41
The Republicans got their panties in a bunch doc03 21 hrs ago #42
Yep dweller 21 hrs ago #44
I loathe the whole idea, but the north side yorkster 21 hrs ago #46
This is what I found ... aggiesal 21 hrs ago #47
I think #2, there was no reason to destroy the white house TommieMommy 21 hrs ago #48
He's just a vindictive dickhead, and by now he hates every last American Hekate 21 hrs ago #49
Money Laundering 101 SomedayKindaLove 21 hrs ago #50
Several people have suggested that the ballroom is a ruse to expand the . . . peggysue2 21 hrs ago #51
Remember, he always exaggerates square footage. hedda_foil 20 hrs ago #53
Perhaps he is building a new White House. Irish_Dem 20 hrs ago #54
To make the WH smaller and only half the size of his ballroom Buttoneer 6 hrs ago #56
Going vertical with a trump hotel over the throne room? Ruby the Liberal 6 hrs ago #58
Yes evilhime 1 hr ago #60

MiHale

(12,286 posts)
3. I'll buy the vindictive aspect....
Fri Oct 24, 2025, 03:27 PM
Yesterday

But he’s not know for his accuracy of statements and mathematical problems.

Bernardo de La Paz

(59,799 posts)
6. Perhaps there is to be a second floor & underground parking included in the square footage.
Fri Oct 24, 2025, 03:30 PM
Yesterday

There are no plans revealed, just a couple of useless AI renderings.

Regardless, he is "a vindictive dickhead".

jmowreader

(52,724 posts)
9. Square footage is calculated based on heated space only
Fri Oct 24, 2025, 03:39 PM
Yesterday

Hence, underground parking (which it will probably have - you can't expect high-class people to park their cars along Constitution Avenue) wouldn't factor into the square footage.

A second floor of heated space would reduce the length of the building to 450 feet, which would keep it inside the fenceline but make the place kinda uncomfortable to be in.

SunSeeker

(57,017 posts)
17. They can't put underground parking under the East Wing. The presidential bunker is there.
Fri Oct 24, 2025, 04:46 PM
23 hrs ago

The Presidential Emergency Operations Center (PEOC, PEE-ock) is a bunker underneath the East Wing of the White House. It serves as a secure shelter and communications center for the president of the United States and others in case of an emergency.

Trump used it in 2020 during the BLM protest in DC. https://apnews.com/article/donald-trump-ap-top-news-george-floyd-politics-a2326518da6b25b4509bef1ec85f5d7f

lame54

(38,703 posts)
7. That's why he's not done...
Fri Oct 24, 2025, 03:30 PM
Yesterday

With his deconstruction

He's going to take down the whole thing

popsdenver

(766 posts)
30. Only good if there
Fri Oct 24, 2025, 05:20 PM
22 hrs ago

is a J6th type insurrection against him and his chosen ones. If there is a nuclear hit,(s) there will be a crater, 500' deep where DC used to be....

Klarkashton

(4,436 posts)
10. There was a post here today where an actual
Fri Oct 24, 2025, 03:48 PM
Yesterday

Architect analyzed this project. None of the dimensions made any sense to them. There are no drawings apparently.

allegorical oracle

(5,868 posts)
11. At 90,000 sf, its footprint would require more than two acres of land. Eyeballing
Fri Oct 24, 2025, 03:48 PM
Yesterday

the space you point out, it doesn't appear to provide two acres.

mwooldri

(10,744 posts)
25. Of course. This coming from the guy...
Fri Oct 24, 2025, 05:06 PM
22 hrs ago

... that inflated the size of his Trump Towers apartment for mortgage evaluation purposes. I bet if he had to pay property tax on that "ballroom" it'd suddenly shrink to 900 sq foot...

viva la

(4,359 posts)
34. Also he wanted to claim that after 9/11, it was "the tallest building in lower Manhattan"
Fri Oct 24, 2025, 05:28 PM
22 hrs ago

That was a lie, and also just about the most despicable thing to say immediately after that tragedy.

drmeow

(5,804 posts)
13. He has no idea how big the ballroom
Fri Oct 24, 2025, 04:15 PM
23 hrs ago

will actually be. He just pulled 90K out of his ass (which is why the whole thing stinks so bad). He's also a vindictive fuck who hates women and the First Lady's office was always in the East Wing.

A friend who used to work in the White House did say that they needed a bigger space (that Obama was spilling out into tents on the lawn) but that the East Wing is where the entrance to the bunker is so what's going on with that?

NNadir

(36,799 posts)
15. I'd go with dickhead. He's a vicious senile bastard who hates this country.
Fri Oct 24, 2025, 04:19 PM
23 hrs ago

Regrettably he is destroying far more than a building.

Half-step

(106 posts)
16. Does anyone have a list of the east wing's furnishings?
Fri Oct 24, 2025, 04:33 PM
23 hrs ago

Are all of them accounted for and stored somewhere safe (as US property)? Or are paintings showing up at Mar-a-Lago or other swamp locales?

SunSeeker

(57,017 posts)
18. All White House furnishings and fixtures are inventoried, or at least they used to be. nt
Fri Oct 24, 2025, 04:48 PM
23 hrs ago

sop

(16,598 posts)
39. Last time he made off with boxes full of top secret classified documents, and got away with it.
Fri Oct 24, 2025, 05:35 PM
22 hrs ago

What's a few furnishings and fixtures?

Arazi

(8,447 posts)
52. lol... they were throwing stuff out the windows a few weeks ago
Fri Oct 24, 2025, 06:57 PM
21 hrs ago

Traitor doesn’t think any of it is worth anything. I’m guessing he just bulldozed it all

maxsolomon

(37,669 posts)
19. There will be a conditioned basement. And probably a 2nd floor in the non-ballroom space.
Fri Oct 24, 2025, 04:51 PM
23 hrs ago

don't sweat the 90K number.

the plans probably aren't done yet. maybe you should call McCrery architects and get a PDF.

https://www.mccreryarchitects.com/

twodogsbarking

(16,356 posts)
20. Motel 47 will open soon. We'll shine the light in your face. Rooms by the hour, sheets changed weekly, maybe.
Fri Oct 24, 2025, 04:53 PM
23 hrs ago

ananda

(33,753 posts)
23. Vindictive dickhead works for me.
Fri Oct 24, 2025, 04:57 PM
23 hrs ago

It doesn't strike me that anyone inolved in this mess
knows what they hell they are doing.

quakerboy

(14,593 posts)
27. Asking why is a good start
Fri Oct 24, 2025, 05:10 PM
22 hrs ago

What personal benefit to trump does it have would be another good question.

Other questions I would be asking if i was in a position to get answers: Who is doing the work? What are the security risks of the destruction and the future construction? Who is making money off of this, and how?

For all we know this is a straight up Russian OP to plant permanent surveillance in white house concrete walls and taps into communications hardlines. Or just another trump cash grab. Or another sad attempt at distraction from the Epstein files.

Or all three and more.

viva la

(4,359 posts)
37. I bet you're right.
Fri Oct 24, 2025, 05:31 PM
22 hrs ago

This stinks to high heaven. He's claiming it's paid for by his rich buddies, so that he doesn't have to account for the $. But we really have no idea who is funding this, if anyone.

quakerboy

(14,593 posts)
59. To be fair, someone is funding it
Sat Oct 25, 2025, 01:12 PM
2 hrs ago

The one thing we can be sure of is that Trump doesnt pay for himself.

Autumn

(48,499 posts)
29. I saw a post that said he's building a new, larger state of the art underground bunker with all the
Fri Oct 24, 2025, 05:15 PM
22 hrs ago

amenities. No one knows what that SOB is really doing.

RussBLib

(10,262 posts)
38. Perhaps he's planning a nuclear war...
Fri Oct 24, 2025, 05:33 PM
22 hrs ago

....and thinks he and his rich buddies can survive it

Melon

(830 posts)
31. I wander if this all has to do with the bunker.
Fri Oct 24, 2025, 05:20 PM
22 hrs ago

You would need to tear it down to do serious security work in the bunker as well.

aggiesal

(10,445 posts)
32. ''...The logical place to put this Epstein ballroom would have been below-grade ...''. There, I fixed it. n/t
Fri Oct 24, 2025, 05:23 PM
22 hrs ago

Shermann

(8,978 posts)
33. A lot of people are saying he will build a ballroom the likes of which the world has never seen! nt
Fri Oct 24, 2025, 05:26 PM
22 hrs ago

usonian

(21,838 posts)
36. Satellite shows what's really happening at the East Wing of the White House
Fri Oct 24, 2025, 05:30 PM
22 hrs ago
https://arstechnica.com/space/2025/10/satellite-shows-whats-really-happening-at-the-east-wing-of-the-white-house/

This image taken Thursday from a SkySat Earth observation satellite shows that the East Wing of the White House is gone. Credit: Planet Labs PBC



Eyes always above
Without press access to see the demolition firsthand, it fell to a camera hundreds of miles above the White House to see what was really happening at the East Wing. Planet Labs released an image taken Thursday morning from one of its SkySat satellites showing the 123-year-old annex leveled.


What became known as the East Wing was first constructed in 1902 and was then rebuilt in 1942 during the Franklin Roosevelt administration to create more office space and provide cover for a bunker during World War II. In modern presidencies, the East Wing was typically home to the first lady’s staff.

Planet Labs, based in San Francisco, operates a fleet of hundreds of small Earth-imaging satellites mapping the planet every day. The company sells its imagery to commercial customers and the US government, including intelligence agencies, which use the imagery to augment the surveillance capabilities of more exquisite government-owned spy satellites.

...

The SkySat satellite used for Thursday’s examination of the White House flies at an altitude of approximately 295 miles (475 kilometers). It can capture imagery with a resolution of about 20 inches (50 centimeters) per pixel. Planet Labs owns 15 SkySats, each with three overlapping 5.5-megapixel imaging sensors fitted under a downward-facing 14-inch-diameter (35-centimeter) telescope, according to the company.

littlemissmartypants

(30,431 posts)
40. He's a psychopath. The fact is...
Fri Oct 24, 2025, 05:36 PM
22 hrs ago

He truly thinks everyone's a dickhead except him.

Here's a good article about signs of psychopathic tendencies:
https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/the-superhuman-mind/201910/8-possible-signs-of-psychopathic-tendencies

Characteristics of Psychopaths

1. Aggressive, callous, and cunning
2. Complete absence of conscience and empathy
3. Very adept at manipulating others
4. Willingness to engage in immoral, criminal conduct
5. Willingness to take what they want and do as they please, regardless of who is hurt or wronged
6. Deceptive ability to appear outwardly benevolent
7. Deceptive ability to behave in superficially charming ways to hide purely selfish motives
8. Willingness to use intimidation and violence to control others in order to satisfy their own needs
9. Willingness to intentionally violate the basic inherent human rights of others
10. Complete absence of any sense of guilt or remorse for the harm their actions have caused to others
11. Rationalization of their own immoral behavior
12. Will attempt to lay blame upon someone else for their own conduct
13. Denial, will deny their own wrongdoing outright
14. Utter contemptuousness toward the feelings and desires of their fellow beings
15. Pathological lying, will say anything without any concern for truth to advance their own hidden agendas
16. Ablity to feign [fake] normal human emotions and empathy
17. Distorted sense of the consequences of their actions
18. Total failure to accept any responsibility for their own socially irresponsible ways
19. Strong bellef that they will never be brought to justice for their criminal behavior

viva la

(4,359 posts)
45. Sounds like someone we all (to our sorrow) have to see on the news every day.
Fri Oct 24, 2025, 06:16 PM
21 hrs ago

10. Complete absence of any sense of guilt or remorse for the harm their actions have caused to others

That's the absolute center of Trump.

William Seger

(11,928 posts)
41. Wikipedia has a site map supposedly based on a model shown this month
Fri Oct 24, 2025, 06:00 PM
21 hrs ago
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_House_State_Ballroom

From that, I estimate that the footprint shown is only about 38,000 square feet. So it would need to be bigger than that and two floors to get anywhere near 90,000 square feet.

doc03

(38,551 posts)
42. The Republicans got their panties in a bunch
Fri Oct 24, 2025, 06:00 PM
21 hrs ago

over the Cracker Barrel guy. Trump knocks down the WH, crickets

yorkster

(3,485 posts)
46. I loathe the whole idea, but the north side
Fri Oct 24, 2025, 06:18 PM
21 hrs ago

would be wrong in so many ways. It's the main ceremonial face of the White House.
It's 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue.
I know, I know, nothing is guaranteed, off-limits or historically relevant at this point...

SomedayKindaLove

(1,163 posts)
50. Money Laundering 101
Fri Oct 24, 2025, 06:50 PM
21 hrs ago

And of course I’m sure there will be delays and tariffs that add to the totals.

peggysue2

(12,254 posts)
51. Several people have suggested that the ballroom is a ruse to expand the . . .
Fri Oct 24, 2025, 06:53 PM
21 hrs ago

Presidential Emergency Operations Center, basically a pre-existing bunker to ensure the safety of the very important, entitled people in a large-scale emergency. The bunker is beneath the now destroyed East Wing. If Trump wants to expand this to anywhere near his proposed ballroom, I guess all his donors could fit in there too with gilded, posh accouterments; a well-stocked bar (and a lifetime of Diet Coke); food supplies; medical supplies including recreational drugs; and underage girls galore.

The question is, of course (if this has any credibility): Why would Trump want a Dooms-Day bunker?

Is this where he plans to hide once the American Citizenry have had enough and decide to storm the Bastille, as they say? Or is this in case whatever war he decides to enter goes sideways?

Inquiring people want to know.



hedda_foil

(16,856 posts)
53. Remember, he always exaggerates square footage.
Fri Oct 24, 2025, 07:05 PM
20 hrs ago

Charge for 90,000sf. and build and pay for 20,000. It's just another grift.

Irish_Dem

(76,692 posts)
54. Perhaps he is building a new White House.
Fri Oct 24, 2025, 07:06 PM
20 hrs ago

His current plans are at $3000 per square foot, when it should be tops $1000 per sq foot for a ballroom.

I think he must be building new living quarters, underground bunker, etc.

He hates the current WH, he thinks it is a dump.

Buttoneer

(902 posts)
56. To make the WH smaller and only half the size of his ballroom
Sat Oct 25, 2025, 09:35 AM
6 hrs ago

Last edited Sat Oct 25, 2025, 10:45 AM - Edit history (1)

Ruby the Liberal

(26,550 posts)
58. Going vertical with a trump hotel over the throne room?
Sat Oct 25, 2025, 09:52 AM
6 hrs ago

Can't have this many guests paying someone else for their stay.

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