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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsI just did a Google Maps measurement of the White House grounds
We are told that Trump wants to build a 90,000-square-foot ballroom and that he needed to remove the East Wing of the White House to get it in there.
According to Google Maps, it's only 150 feet from where the west wall of the East Wing used to stand to the fenceline encasing the White House property. Security considerations preclude taking the building all the way to the fence, so we'll say the ballroom can be no more than 100 feet wide. 90,000/100 = 900 feet long. If you start at the northern wall of the former East Wing, 900 feet lands your southern wall in the middle of E Street. The logical place to put this ballroom would have been below-grade on the north side of the White House - the fancy part that all the tourists want to see is on the south side - and by doing so, no demolition would have been required.
The question I'm starting to ask myself is, is Trump really planning to build a ballroom or did he just rip one end off the White House to be a vindictive dickhead?
Raven123
(7,203 posts)dweller
(27,429 posts)Vindictive dickhead is his # 1 motive in all things
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PatSeg
(51,260 posts)It appears to be his primary motivator in most cases.
CaptainTruth
(7,937 posts)MiHale
(12,286 posts)But hes not know for his accuracy of statements and mathematical problems.
leftstreet
(37,729 posts)Bernardo de La Paz
(59,799 posts)There are no plans revealed, just a couple of useless AI renderings.
Regardless, he is "a vindictive dickhead".
jmowreader
(52,724 posts)Hence, underground parking (which it will probably have - you can't expect high-class people to park their cars along Constitution Avenue) wouldn't factor into the square footage.
A second floor of heated space would reduce the length of the building to 450 feet, which would keep it inside the fenceline but make the place kinda uncomfortable to be in.
SunSeeker
(57,017 posts)The Presidential Emergency Operations Center (PEOC, PEE-ock) is a bunker underneath the East Wing of the White House. It serves as a secure shelter and communications center for the president of the United States and others in case of an emergency.
Trump used it in 2020 during the BLM protest in DC. https://apnews.com/article/donald-trump-ap-top-news-george-floyd-politics-a2326518da6b25b4509bef1ec85f5d7f
lame54
(38,703 posts)With his deconstruction
He's going to take down the whole thing
He is doing it slowly to normalize it.
thought crime
(880 posts)popsdenver
(766 posts)is a J6th type insurrection against him and his chosen ones. If there is a nuclear hit,(s) there will be a crater, 500' deep where DC used to be....
Klarkashton
(4,436 posts)Architect analyzed this project. None of the dimensions made any sense to them. There are no drawings apparently.
TheRickles
(3,011 posts)allegorical oracle
(5,868 posts)the space you point out, it doesn't appear to provide two acres.
JCMach1
(29,022 posts)mwooldri
(10,744 posts)... that inflated the size of his Trump Towers apartment for mortgage evaluation purposes. I bet if he had to pay property tax on that "ballroom" it'd suddenly shrink to 900 sq foot...
No doubt.
viva la
(4,359 posts)That was a lie, and also just about the most despicable thing to say immediately after that tragedy.
drmeow
(5,804 posts)will actually be. He just pulled 90K out of his ass (which is why the whole thing stinks so bad). He's also a vindictive fuck who hates women and the First Lady's office was always in the East Wing.
A friend who used to work in the White House did say that they needed a bigger space (that Obama was spilling out into tents on the lawn) but that the East Wing is where the entrance to the bunker is so what's going on with that?
NNadir
(36,799 posts)Regrettably he is destroying far more than a building.
Half-step
(106 posts)Are all of them accounted for and stored somewhere safe (as US property)? Or are paintings showing up at Mar-a-Lago or other swamp locales?
SunSeeker
(57,017 posts)sop
(16,598 posts)What's a few furnishings and fixtures?
Arazi
(8,447 posts)Traitor doesnt think any of it is worth anything. Im guessing he just bulldozed it all
maxsolomon
(37,669 posts)don't sweat the 90K number.
the plans probably aren't done yet. maybe you should call McCrery architects and get a PDF.
https://www.mccreryarchitects.com/
madinmaryland
(65,609 posts)viva la
(4,359 posts)twodogsbarking
(16,356 posts)relayerbob
(7,300 posts)ananda
(33,753 posts)It doesn't strike me that anyone inolved in this mess
knows what they hell they are doing.
IbogaProject
(5,228 posts)quakerboy
(14,593 posts)What personal benefit to trump does it have would be another good question.
Other questions I would be asking if i was in a position to get answers: Who is doing the work? What are the security risks of the destruction and the future construction? Who is making money off of this, and how?
For all we know this is a straight up Russian OP to plant permanent surveillance in white house concrete walls and taps into communications hardlines. Or just another trump cash grab. Or another sad attempt at distraction from the Epstein files.
Or all three and more.
viva la
(4,359 posts)This stinks to high heaven. He's claiming it's paid for by his rich buddies, so that he doesn't have to account for the $. But we really have no idea who is funding this, if anyone.
quakerboy
(14,593 posts)The one thing we can be sure of is that Trump doesnt pay for himself.
Autumn
(48,499 posts)amenities. No one knows what that SOB is really doing.
RussBLib
(10,262 posts)....and thinks he and his rich buddies can survive it
Melon
(830 posts)You would need to tear it down to do serious security work in the bunker as well.
aggiesal
(10,445 posts)Shermann
(8,978 posts)usonian
(21,838 posts)This image taken Thursday from a SkySat Earth observation satellite shows that the East Wing of the White House is gone. Credit: Planet Labs PBC

Without press access to see the demolition firsthand, it fell to a camera hundreds of miles above the White House to see what was really happening at the East Wing. Planet Labs released an image taken Thursday morning from one of its SkySat satellites showing the 123-year-old annex leveled.
What became known as the East Wing was first constructed in 1902 and was then rebuilt in 1942 during the Franklin Roosevelt administration to create more office space and provide cover for a bunker during World War II. In modern presidencies, the East Wing was typically home to the first ladys staff.
Planet Labs, based in San Francisco, operates a fleet of hundreds of small Earth-imaging satellites mapping the planet every day. The company sells its imagery to commercial customers and the US government, including intelligence agencies, which use the imagery to augment the surveillance capabilities of more exquisite government-owned spy satellites.
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The SkySat satellite used for Thursdays examination of the White House flies at an altitude of approximately 295 miles (475 kilometers). It can capture imagery with a resolution of about 20 inches (50 centimeters) per pixel. Planet Labs owns 15 SkySats, each with three overlapping 5.5-megapixel imaging sensors fitted under a downward-facing 14-inch-diameter (35-centimeter) telescope, according to the company.
viva la
(4,359 posts)I wonder how much notice he gave her staff.
littlemissmartypants
(30,431 posts)He truly thinks everyone's a dickhead except him.
Here's a good article about signs of psychopathic tendencies:
https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/the-superhuman-mind/201910/8-possible-signs-of-psychopathic-tendencies
Characteristics of Psychopaths
1. Aggressive, callous, and cunning
2. Complete absence of conscience and empathy
3. Very adept at manipulating others
4. Willingness to engage in immoral, criminal conduct
5. Willingness to take what they want and do as they please, regardless of who is hurt or wronged
6. Deceptive ability to appear outwardly benevolent
7. Deceptive ability to behave in superficially charming ways to hide purely selfish motives
8. Willingness to use intimidation and violence to control others in order to satisfy their own needs
9. Willingness to intentionally violate the basic inherent human rights of others
10. Complete absence of any sense of guilt or remorse for the harm their actions have caused to others
11. Rationalization of their own immoral behavior
12. Will attempt to lay blame upon someone else for their own conduct
13. Denial, will deny their own wrongdoing outright
14. Utter contemptuousness toward the feelings and desires of their fellow beings
15. Pathological lying, will say anything without any concern for truth to advance their own hidden agendas
16. Ablity to feign [fake] normal human emotions and empathy
17. Distorted sense of the consequences of their actions
18. Total failure to accept any responsibility for their own socially irresponsible ways
19. Strong bellef that they will never be brought to justice for their criminal behavior
viva la
(4,359 posts)10. Complete absence of any sense of guilt or remorse for the harm their actions have caused to others
That's the absolute center of Trump.
William Seger
(11,928 posts)From that, I estimate that the footprint shown is only about 38,000 square feet. So it would need to be bigger than that and two floors to get anywhere near 90,000 square feet.
doc03
(38,551 posts)over the Cracker Barrel guy. Trump knocks down the WH, crickets

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yorkster
(3,485 posts)would be wrong in so many ways. It's the main ceremonial face of the White House.
It's 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue.
I know, I know, nothing is guaranteed, off-limits or historically relevant at this point...
aggiesal
(10,445 posts)TommieMommy
(2,438 posts)Hekate
(99,957 posts)SomedayKindaLove
(1,163 posts)And of course Im sure there will be delays and tariffs that add to the totals.
peggysue2
(12,254 posts)Presidential Emergency Operations Center, basically a pre-existing bunker to ensure the safety of the very important, entitled people in a large-scale emergency. The bunker is beneath the now destroyed East Wing. If Trump wants to expand this to anywhere near his proposed ballroom, I guess all his donors could fit in there too with gilded, posh accouterments; a well-stocked bar (and a lifetime of Diet Coke); food supplies; medical supplies including recreational drugs; and underage girls galore.
The question is, of course (if this has any credibility): Why would Trump want a Dooms-Day bunker?
Is this where he plans to hide once the American Citizenry have had enough and decide to storm the Bastille, as they say? Or is this in case whatever war he decides to enter goes sideways?
Inquiring people want to know.
hedda_foil
(16,856 posts)Charge for 90,000sf. and build and pay for 20,000. It's just another grift.
Irish_Dem
(76,692 posts)His current plans are at $3000 per square foot, when it should be tops $1000 per sq foot for a ballroom.
I think he must be building new living quarters, underground bunker, etc.
He hates the current WH, he thinks it is a dump.
Buttoneer
(902 posts)Last edited Sat Oct 25, 2025, 10:45 AM - Edit history (1)
Ruby the Liberal
(26,550 posts)Can't have this many guests paying someone else for their stay.
evilhime
(367 posts)to door #2 . . . building anything is just a perk to his real estate needs.