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niyad

(128,059 posts)
Tue Oct 21, 2025, 12:49 PM Tuesday

Clark Construction, general contractors.

301-272-8100. They assured me they have the permits to build the ballroom. i asked them how they can actually agree to be involved in the unwanted desecration of OUR HOUSE. No answer.

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Clark Construction, general contractors. (Original Post) niyad Tuesday OP
DURec leftstreet Tuesday #1
Who issued the permits? The agencies with the authority to issue them are shut down now. Ocelot II Tuesday #2
Great questions! SheltieLover Tuesday #3
Excellent points niyad Tuesday #5
+1 dalton99a Tuesday #14
Who issued the permits? Dave Id Tuesday #27
Hint, they were signed in kacekwl Tuesday #38
I read that Trump fired the agencies that give permits for the WH. Irish_Dem Tuesday #4
I suggested they post the permits on their website as proof. niyad Tuesday #7
EXCELLENT suggestion. Irish_Dem Tuesday #10
I called and asked for permits to be posted. She wanted my name and to have someone call me. Ah. That's a no. Simply cbabe Tuesday #11
I am surprised that they are still answering their phones! niyad Tuesday #15
Ty for sharing! SheltieLover Tuesday #6
You know, just a thought but if have Newsom trolling Trump on social media.. we don't have people following what he's halobeam Tuesday #8
The permits should be public, but if they are real they should be on file Ocelot II Tuesday #9
EXACTLY!!! niyad Tuesday #16
Not sure how DC is, but here in Pennsylvania, building permits are posted Deminpenn Tuesday #17
That's true here, too, but how is anyone going to get access to the site Ocelot II Tuesday #21
Telescopic photo lens? Deminpenn Tuesday #23
The fact that there are laws requiring a building permit to be posted Ocelot II Tuesday #24
It sounds like you are blaming Gov. Newsom's excellent trolling niyad Tuesday #18
Yes, you are misunderstanding:) I love his posts... I was making a point that there is someone on TOP of things as he halobeam Tuesday #39
Thank you for explaining so kindly and clearly. Please accept my apologies for niyad Wednesday #40
Krasnov didn't go through the planning commission, gab13by13 Tuesday #12
I'll watch for their GoFundMe page after the work is complete and they don't get paid. Midnight Writer Tuesday #13
You can bet popsdenver Tuesday #31
I'm sure that their agreement was predicated on where the decimal was placed. Orrex Tuesday #19
And may they choke on it, assuming they ever get paid. niyad Tuesday #20
There's world class liars in charge. Just a thought. twodogsbarking Tuesday #22
All construction projects moniss Tuesday #25
If they have a permit you can be sure it's posted where it can't be seen by members of the public. Ocelot II Tuesday #26
On the other hand... ShazzieB Tuesday #28
Distraction from EPSTEIN SheltieLover Tuesday #29
I'm doubting they have an actual permit rather than just some moniss Tuesday #33
Over the past several days, I've seen posts here on DU that say permits Totally Tunsie Tuesday #30
Try painting your shutters the wrong shade of the right color in any historic district in Anytown, USA Marie Marie Tuesday #32
UNAUTHORIZED destruction, apparently. thank you for the number. guaranteed call. somaticexperiencing Tuesday #34
Demolition for new White House ballroom doesn't need approval, Trump-appointed commission head says cliffside Tuesday #35
Web site LiberalArkie Tuesday #36
This brings back memories of an Embassy built by the Soviets taxi Tuesday #37

Ocelot II

(127,927 posts)
2. Who issued the permits? The agencies with the authority to issue them are shut down now.
Tue Oct 21, 2025, 12:52 PM
Tuesday

Did they get the permits on the down-low before the shutdown?

Dave Id

(198 posts)
27. Who issued the permits?
Tue Oct 21, 2025, 02:55 PM
Tuesday

Why His Majesty Donald Dipshit Trump gave them his personal 'blessing' to tear down a national treasure of course.

Irish_Dem

(76,692 posts)
4. I read that Trump fired the agencies that give permits for the WH.
Tue Oct 21, 2025, 12:53 PM
Tuesday

Sounds like Clark Construction is lying out their ass.

Irish_Dem

(76,692 posts)
10. EXCELLENT suggestion.
Tue Oct 21, 2025, 01:04 PM
Tuesday

Of course knowing they work for a mob boss, they will probably just make up
the permits. Or force some hapless bureaucrat to make one.

cbabe

(5,787 posts)
11. I called and asked for permits to be posted. She wanted my name and to have someone call me. Ah. That's a no. Simply
Tue Oct 21, 2025, 01:05 PM
Tuesday

post the permits and the authorizing agency.

She sure didn’t want to when I said a phone call wasn’t ok and I would send the posted info out to all Americans.

Keep calling!

halobeam

(5,069 posts)
8. You know, just a thought but if have Newsom trolling Trump on social media.. we don't have people following what he's
Tue Oct 21, 2025, 12:55 PM
Tuesday

actually doing, planning? I ask because they filed for permits (lets say that's true), isn't that public record? Isn't anyone watching out for us?

Love Newsom's posts, but that's just candy. This is an entree and our country is the damn dish.

Ocelot II

(127,927 posts)
9. The permits should be public, but if they are real they should be on file
Tue Oct 21, 2025, 12:59 PM
Tuesday

with a government agency that's shut down right now, so possibly inaccessible. I believe the relevant agencies are The National Park Service, which manages the property, and the National Capital Planning Commission, which might be the permit-issuer. The Planning Commission's website says it's shut down and there's no info there. https://www.ncpc.gov. How conveeenient.

Deminpenn

(17,071 posts)
17. Not sure how DC is, but here in Pennsylvania, building permits are posted
Tue Oct 21, 2025, 02:21 PM
Tuesday

on the building or construction site, on highly visible orange paper.

Ocelot II

(127,927 posts)
21. That's true here, too, but how is anyone going to get access to the site
Tue Oct 21, 2025, 02:27 PM
Tuesday

in order to read the permit? If there is one it's probably tacked up somewhere out of sight of the public.

Ocelot II

(127,927 posts)
24. The fact that there are laws requiring a building permit to be posted
Tue Oct 21, 2025, 02:44 PM
Tuesday

doesn't mean this crowd will obey them. I doubt very much that if there is a permit posted anywhere, it could be seen or read by anyone outside the secured WH property, telephoto lens or not.

niyad

(128,059 posts)
18. It sounds like you are blaming Gov. Newsom's excellent trolling
Tue Oct 21, 2025, 02:24 PM
Tuesday

for this travesty. Am I misunderstanding? Seriously, there are people watching everything he and his corrupt kkklown posse are doing, and alerting people. But there is so much shit going on, we out here in the public are having one hell of a time tryng to keep up. We KNEW there were no permits, we did not expect that level of instant destruction.

halobeam

(5,069 posts)
39. Yes, you are misunderstanding:) I love his posts... I was making a point that there is someone on TOP of things as he
Tue Oct 21, 2025, 11:21 PM
Tuesday

is, when it comes to social media... don't we have a group of people that are on top of what is being done or planned (referring to his actions, filings for permits, etc.)..

If these were filed before shutdown and are legit, why wouldn't anyone know this and wouldn't that have given us a chance to get a stop order of some sort in a court, anything...

Anyway, that is where I was coming from

eta: I do think there is SO much we're being hit with at once, it is hard to keep up. I'm not blaming, I was inquiring.

niyad

(128,059 posts)
40. Thank you for explaining so kindly and clearly. Please accept my apologies for
Wed Oct 22, 2025, 01:42 AM
Wednesday

my overwrought brain this morning. One would indeed think we would have known if poper procedures had been followed. One more thing on the ever-lengthening list iof horrors.

gab13by13

(30,222 posts)
12. Krasnov didn't go through the planning commission,
Tue Oct 21, 2025, 01:09 PM
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He doesn't need any permits, he is above the law.

popsdenver

(766 posts)
31. You can bet
Tue Oct 21, 2025, 03:37 PM
Tuesday

that Trump collected his up front, under the table, percentage already...........the key to getting the no bid contract approved by him.......

moniss

(8,244 posts)
25. All construction projects
Tue Oct 21, 2025, 02:46 PM
Tuesday

are required to have the permits posted on the job site. This can usually be found outside of where the mobile trailers are that serve as the on site offices. These are posted along with OSHA notices, emergency evacuation routes, emergency contact info, Department of Labor Fair Labor notices etc. They are supposed to be posted outside so that all workers, inspectors, delivery personnel etc. can all see them. If they only have them inside the trailer then workers etc. could not readily see them.

I've delivered on hundreds of major job sites across the country over the many decades and professional, upstanding general contractors always have this kind of display. I've also come across less than professional, upstanding situations on smaller jobs where the display is just a bulletin board inside the mobile trailer. Which does little good for people in an emergency situation especially if the trailer is locked up at the end of the day.

Accidents like fires and explosions can happen at any time and on site personnel working at all different places on the site need to be informed about evacuation gathering points and safety procedures. It's not supposed to be "well we had it on the wall in the trailer in the back room." Sadly sometimes it's not even that much of an effort for job site safety and proper legal information.














Ocelot II

(127,927 posts)
26. If they have a permit you can be sure it's posted where it can't be seen by members of the public.
Tue Oct 21, 2025, 02:48 PM
Tuesday

ShazzieB

(21,856 posts)
28. On the other hand...
Tue Oct 21, 2025, 03:01 PM
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...IF they DO have the proper permits, why hide them?

I suspect that either they don't have the permits, OR they are doing things that are in violation of whatever permits they have.

People don't hide things like this unless there's something hinky going on.

moniss

(8,244 posts)
33. I'm doubting they have an actual permit rather than just some
Tue Oct 21, 2025, 03:47 PM
Tuesday

"letter of intent" sort of scenario. The plan commission didn't meet and approve any plans prior to the shutdown that anybody is aware of. If they had we can be sure that Crumb The 1st would have been bragging about it. I also think that the local DC government would have been required to review and sign off since there may be changes to utilities like sewer and water and also any impact to street traffic during construction.

My strong suggestion is that if the Dems are able to regain control of the WH that they obtain "donations" to have this garish monstrosity torn down and the WH restored to what it was prior to 2016.

Totally Tunsie

(11,371 posts)
30. Over the past several days, I've seen posts here on DU that say permits
Tue Oct 21, 2025, 03:18 PM
Tuesday

for construction work on the WH aren't required. Taking the shortcut, I googled the question and received the following response:


AI Overview
No approval needed to start demolition for Trump's ballroom ...
No, the White House does not require local construction permits because it is a federal property, but it is subject to its own set of federal reviews and approvals. Federal projects, like those at the White House, operate under different rules than public projects and are not subject to local building codes or the need to obtain permits from local jurisdictions like the District of Columbia Department of Buildings. Instead, they must undergo a review process involving the National Capital Planning Commission (NCPC) and other federal bodies, though the White House may assert its own authority and may not seek approval for certain projects.

No local permits: The White House is a federal property, and federal entities are not required to get permits from local authorities when working on their own properties.

Internal and federal reviews: The White House is subject to federal reviews and oversight, particularly from the National Capital Planning Commission (NCPC) for major projects, though its authority can be contested or superseded.
Specific project reviews: Projects are reviewed for aesthetics and environmental impacts, and the White House has sometimes asserted that it doesn't need approval for certain demolition or construction work, even as some reports indicate that federal law requires review of any exterior construction project.
Security is the priority: Safety and security are paramount, and the US Secret Service can intervene to prevent any construction that could jeopardize the President or Vice President.

Does the White House need to pull permits? :
Aug 1, 2025 — Federal Government doesn't need local jurisdiction permits when doing work on properties they own.

Marie Marie

(10,639 posts)
32. Try painting your shutters the wrong shade of the right color in any historic district in Anytown, USA
Tue Oct 21, 2025, 03:38 PM
Tuesday

and the historical police will be on you immediately. Desecrate and destroy this piece of OUR history and again.... crickets.

cliffside

(1,447 posts)
35. Demolition for new White House ballroom doesn't need approval, Trump-appointed commission head says
Tue Oct 21, 2025, 03:50 PM
Tuesday

September 4, 2025

https://apnews.com/article/trump-ballroom-national-planning-commission-approval-f537fa373705d560a9842b6250aee9ef

"WASHINGTON (AP) — Demolition to build President Donald Trump’s new ballroom off the East Wing of the White House can begin without approval of the commission tasked with vetting construction of federal buildings, the Trump-appointed head of the panel said Thursday.

Will Scharf, who is also the White House staff secretary, said during a public meeting of the National Capital Planning Commission that the board does not have jurisdiction over demolition or site preparation work for buildings on federal property.

“What we deal with is essentially construction, vertical build,” Scharf said. He called Trump’s promised ballroom “one of the most exciting construction projects in the modern history of” Washington.

.... Scharf said the White House hadn’t yet submitted building plans for the White House renovations but when that happens, “I’m excited for us to play a role in the ballroom project when the time is appropriate for us to do so.”


Trump deputies take over powerful D.C. planning commission
Jul 11, 2025

https://www.axios.com/local/washington-dc/2025/07/11/trump-deputies-take-over-powerful-dc-planning-commission

"Why it matters: The National Capital Planning Commission casts make-or-break votes on construction projects in key parts of the city and serves as tastemaker for design across the Washington region (see: the upcoming RFK Stadium redevelopment).

But in a twist, its three new presidentially-appointed members — all White House officials — are using it to needle Powell, claiming the Fed chair is mismanaging a costly rehab of the Fed's headquarters on Constitution Avenue, perhaps as pretext to fire him for not lowering interest rates.
Driving the news: The board's new chairman is Will Scharf, the White House staff secretary, also known as the man on TV who hands Trump executive orders to sign.

Michael Blair and Stuart Levenbach, also White House officials, were named to represent Virginia and Maryland, respectively."

taxi

(2,609 posts)
37. This brings back memories of an Embassy built by the Soviets
Tue Oct 21, 2025, 07:11 PM
Tuesday

It makes me wonder if the old family connections have an occasional get together?

Begun in 1979, using Soviet labor and materials, the U.S. chancery building in Moscow was abandoned in mid-construction six years later when it was found to be honeycombed with Soviet eavesdropping devices.

The building, so compromised that U.S. officials said it amounted to a giant microphone, was primed to broadcast every last grunt and whisper uttered by U.S. diplomats into the Kremlin's eager ears.

Even now, it brings impish smiles to the faces of former KGB operatives, who came so close to turning the entire U.S. Embassy into the Soviet Union's No. 1 intelligence agent.

https://archive.seattletimes.com/archive/19970901/2557924/behind-the-veil-new-us-embassy-rises-in-moscow----bugged-earlier-version-was-kgbs-highest-achievement
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