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301-272-8100. They assured me they have the permits to build the ballroom. i asked them how they can actually agree to be involved in the unwanted desecration of OUR HOUSE. No answer.
leftstreet
(37,729 posts)Ocelot II
(127,927 posts)Did they get the permits on the down-low before the shutdown?
SheltieLover
(74,645 posts)niyad
(128,059 posts)Dave Id
(198 posts)Why His Majesty Donald Dipshit Trump gave them his personal 'blessing' to tear down a national treasure of course.
kacekwl
(8,726 posts)Sharpie.
Irish_Dem
(76,692 posts)Sounds like Clark Construction is lying out their ass.
niyad
(128,059 posts)Irish_Dem
(76,692 posts)Of course knowing they work for a mob boss, they will probably just make up
the permits. Or force some hapless bureaucrat to make one.
cbabe
(5,787 posts)post the permits and the authorizing agency.
She sure didnt want to when I said a phone call wasnt ok and I would send the posted info out to all Americans.
Keep calling!
niyad
(128,059 posts)SheltieLover
(74,645 posts)halobeam
(5,069 posts)actually doing, planning? I ask because they filed for permits (lets say that's true), isn't that public record? Isn't anyone watching out for us?
Love Newsom's posts, but that's just candy. This is an entree and our country is the damn dish.
Ocelot II
(127,927 posts)with a government agency that's shut down right now, so possibly inaccessible. I believe the relevant agencies are The National Park Service, which manages the property, and the National Capital Planning Commission, which might be the permit-issuer. The Planning Commission's website says it's shut down and there's no info there. https://www.ncpc.gov. How conveeenient.
niyad
(128,059 posts)Deminpenn
(17,071 posts)on the building or construction site, on highly visible orange paper.
Ocelot II
(127,927 posts)in order to read the permit? If there is one it's probably tacked up somewhere out of sight of the public.
Deminpenn
(17,071 posts)And aren't there always reporters reporting from the WH lawn?
Ocelot II
(127,927 posts)doesn't mean this crowd will obey them. I doubt very much that if there is a permit posted anywhere, it could be seen or read by anyone outside the secured WH property, telephoto lens or not.
niyad
(128,059 posts)for this travesty. Am I misunderstanding? Seriously, there are people watching everything he and his corrupt kkklown posse are doing, and alerting people. But there is so much shit going on, we out here in the public are having one hell of a time tryng to keep up. We KNEW there were no permits, we did not expect that level of instant destruction.
halobeam
(5,069 posts)is, when it comes to social media... don't we have a group of people that are on top of what is being done or planned (referring to his actions, filings for permits, etc.)..
If these were filed before shutdown and are legit, why wouldn't anyone know this and wouldn't that have given us a chance to get a stop order of some sort in a court, anything...
Anyway, that is where I was coming from
eta: I do think there is SO much we're being hit with at once, it is hard to keep up. I'm not blaming, I was inquiring.
niyad
(128,059 posts)my overwrought brain this morning. One would indeed think we would have known if poper procedures had been followed. One more thing on the ever-lengthening list iof horrors.
gab13by13
(30,222 posts)He doesn't need any permits, he is above the law.
Midnight Writer
(24,897 posts)popsdenver
(766 posts)that Trump collected his up front, under the table, percentage already...........the key to getting the no bid contract approved by him.......
Orrex
(66,273 posts)niyad
(128,059 posts)twodogsbarking
(16,356 posts)moniss
(8,244 posts)are required to have the permits posted on the job site. This can usually be found outside of where the mobile trailers are that serve as the on site offices. These are posted along with OSHA notices, emergency evacuation routes, emergency contact info, Department of Labor Fair Labor notices etc. They are supposed to be posted outside so that all workers, inspectors, delivery personnel etc. can all see them. If they only have them inside the trailer then workers etc. could not readily see them.
I've delivered on hundreds of major job sites across the country over the many decades and professional, upstanding general contractors always have this kind of display. I've also come across less than professional, upstanding situations on smaller jobs where the display is just a bulletin board inside the mobile trailer. Which does little good for people in an emergency situation especially if the trailer is locked up at the end of the day.
Accidents like fires and explosions can happen at any time and on site personnel working at all different places on the site need to be informed about evacuation gathering points and safety procedures. It's not supposed to be "well we had it on the wall in the trailer in the back room." Sadly sometimes it's not even that much of an effort for job site safety and proper legal information.
Ocelot II
(127,927 posts)ShazzieB
(21,856 posts)...IF they DO have the proper permits, why hide them?
I suspect that either they don't have the permits, OR they are doing things that are in violation of whatever permits they have.
People don't hide things like this unless there's something hinky going on.
SheltieLover
(74,645 posts)moniss
(8,244 posts)"letter of intent" sort of scenario. The plan commission didn't meet and approve any plans prior to the shutdown that anybody is aware of. If they had we can be sure that Crumb The 1st would have been bragging about it. I also think that the local DC government would have been required to review and sign off since there may be changes to utilities like sewer and water and also any impact to street traffic during construction.
My strong suggestion is that if the Dems are able to regain control of the WH that they obtain "donations" to have this garish monstrosity torn down and the WH restored to what it was prior to 2016.
Totally Tunsie
(11,371 posts)for construction work on the WH aren't required. Taking the shortcut, I googled the question and received the following response:
AI Overview
No approval needed to start demolition for Trump's ballroom ...
No, the White House does not require local construction permits because it is a federal property, but it is subject to its own set of federal reviews and approvals. Federal projects, like those at the White House, operate under different rules than public projects and are not subject to local building codes or the need to obtain permits from local jurisdictions like the District of Columbia Department of Buildings. Instead, they must undergo a review process involving the National Capital Planning Commission (NCPC) and other federal bodies, though the White House may assert its own authority and may not seek approval for certain projects.
No local permits: The White House is a federal property, and federal entities are not required to get permits from local authorities when working on their own properties.
Internal and federal reviews: The White House is subject to federal reviews and oversight, particularly from the National Capital Planning Commission (NCPC) for major projects, though its authority can be contested or superseded.
Specific project reviews: Projects are reviewed for aesthetics and environmental impacts, and the White House has sometimes asserted that it doesn't need approval for certain demolition or construction work, even as some reports indicate that federal law requires review of any exterior construction project.
Security is the priority: Safety and security are paramount, and the US Secret Service can intervene to prevent any construction that could jeopardize the President or Vice President.
Does the White House need to pull permits? :
Aug 1, 2025 Federal Government doesn't need local jurisdiction permits when doing work on properties they own.
Marie Marie
(10,639 posts)and the historical police will be on you immediately. Desecrate and destroy this piece of OUR history and again.... crickets.
somaticexperiencing
(574 posts)cliffside
(1,447 posts)September 4, 2025
https://apnews.com/article/trump-ballroom-national-planning-commission-approval-f537fa373705d560a9842b6250aee9ef
"WASHINGTON (AP) Demolition to build President Donald Trumps new ballroom off the East Wing of the White House can begin without approval of the commission tasked with vetting construction of federal buildings, the Trump-appointed head of the panel said Thursday.
Will Scharf, who is also the White House staff secretary, said during a public meeting of the National Capital Planning Commission that the board does not have jurisdiction over demolition or site preparation work for buildings on federal property.
What we deal with is essentially construction, vertical build, Scharf said. He called Trumps promised ballroom one of the most exciting construction projects in the modern history of Washington.
.... Scharf said the White House hadnt yet submitted building plans for the White House renovations but when that happens, Im excited for us to play a role in the ballroom project when the time is appropriate for us to do so.
Trump deputies take over powerful D.C. planning commission
Jul 11, 2025
https://www.axios.com/local/washington-dc/2025/07/11/trump-deputies-take-over-powerful-dc-planning-commission
"Why it matters: The National Capital Planning Commission casts make-or-break votes on construction projects in key parts of the city and serves as tastemaker for design across the Washington region (see: the upcoming RFK Stadium redevelopment).
But in a twist, its three new presidentially-appointed members all White House officials are using it to needle Powell, claiming the Fed chair is mismanaging a costly rehab of the Fed's headquarters on Constitution Avenue, perhaps as pretext to fire him for not lowering interest rates.
Driving the news: The board's new chairman is Will Scharf, the White House staff secretary, also known as the man on TV who hands Trump executive orders to sign.
Michael Blair and Stuart Levenbach, also White House officials, were named to represent Virginia and Maryland, respectively."
LiberalArkie
(19,066 posts)taxi
(2,609 posts)It makes me wonder if the old family connections have an occasional get together?
The building, so compromised that U.S. officials said it amounted to a giant microphone, was primed to broadcast every last grunt and whisper uttered by U.S. diplomats into the Kremlin's eager ears.
Even now, it brings impish smiles to the faces of former KGB operatives, who came so close to turning the entire U.S. Embassy into the Soviet Union's No. 1 intelligence agent.
https://archive.seattletimes.com/archive/19970901/2557924/behind-the-veil-new-us-embassy-rises-in-moscow----bugged-earlier-version-was-kgbs-highest-achievement