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bigtree

(91,934 posts)
Tue Jul 22, 2025, 10:34 PM 11 hrs ago

We'd already know the names of the other abusers if they weren't well-connected

...to this president and the people he's placed in positions of authority in the federal government and WH.

They'd certainly already be prosecuted.

Dan Bilzerian @DanBilzerian 4h
Our president and government are not only refusing to prosecute pedophiles and child sex traffickers, they’re actively running cover for them.



Epstein was charged in 2006 by a Palm Beach County grand jury with a single count of solicitation of prostitution despite having heard from only two underage victims.

Then-State Attorney Barry Krischer's prosecutors had tanked their own case during the secret proceeding, telling the girls during questioning that they themselves were the criminals, the transcripts show. The Palm Beach Post fought in court for nearly five years to make the transcripts public. They were released in July 2024.
Epstein pleaded guilty to only two prostitution-related felonies in 2008 in a "deal of the century" arranged by both Krischer and federal prosecutors. He was sentenced to 18 months in the county jail, of which he served 13. He was out in July 2009.
https://www.palmbeachpost.com/story/news/trump/2025/07/18/could-pam-bondi-have-prosecuted-jeffrey-epstein-as-florida-ag/85239431007/

___Prosecutors went to great lengths to keep secret the non-prosecution agreement reached in 2007 with Jeffrey Epstein, attorneys for the victims allege, “because of the strong objection they would have faced from victims of Epstein’s abuse, and because of the public criticism that would have resulted from allowing a politically-connected billionaire who had sexually abused more than 30 minor girls to escape ... with only a county court jail sentence.”

Throughout the negotiations -- and for nearly a year after the agreement was signed -- the victims were kept in the dark, their attorneys said, strung along as government lawyers promised victims they were still investigating even long after they had cut Epstein an “indulgent” deal.

Epstein reached with federal prosecutors in September of 2007 that spared him from a federal prosecution. After an extensive investigation by the Palm Beach police and the FBI, the Justice Department effectively immunized Epstein for multiple alleged offenses involving underage girls in exchange for his guilty pleas to two comparatively minor sex crimes in Florida state court. And Epstein’s lawyers persuaded the federal government to keep the terms of the agreement secret, according to the court filing by victims’ attorneys Bradley Edwards and Paul Cassell.

Hundreds of pages of newly-disclosed correspondence between federal prosecutors and Epstein’s dream team of defense lawyers, including Jay Lefkowitz, Kenneth Starr, Alan Dershowitz, Roy Black, and Lefcourt, provide an inside look at Epstein’s efforts to forestall the federal prosecution and at the effort to conceal the resulting deal, despite repeated acknowledgements by government lawyers that they were legally required to inform the victims.

https://abcnews.go.com/US/victims-feds-hid-sweetheart-deal-sex-offender-deep/story?id=36843144


___Facing a 53-page federal indictment, Epstein could have ended up in federal prison for the rest of his life.

But on the morning of the breakfast meeting, a deal was struck — an extraordinary plea agreement that would conceal the full extent of Epstein’s crimes and the number of people involved.

The pact required Epstein to plead guilty to two prostitution charges in state court. Epstein and four of his accomplices named in the agreement received immunity from all federal criminal charges. But even more unusual, the deal included wording that granted immunity to “any potential co-conspirators’’ who were also involved in Epstein’s crimes. These accomplices or participants were not identified in the agreement, leaving it open to interpretation whether it possibly referred to other influential people who were having sex with underage girls at Epstein’s various homes or on his plane.

Alex Acosta was the U.S. attorney for Southern Florida when he negotiated an end to the federal investigation of Jeffrey Epstein.

...court records reveal details of the negotiations and the role that Acosta would play in arranging the deal, which scuttled the federal probe into a possible international sex trafficking operation. Among other things, Acosta allowed Epstein’s lawyers unusual freedoms in dictating the terms of the non-prosecution agreement.

https://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/article220097825.html
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SoFlaBro

(3,577 posts)
1. Orange Bastard is a shitstain fuckwad. He is a rapist, pedophile bag of soggy dog shit. Piss on that fucking turd.
Tue Jul 22, 2025, 11:00 PM
10 hrs ago

AZJonnie

(1,058 posts)
2. Only one person has accused anyone other than Epstein/Maxwell, that is the late Virginia Giuffre
Tue Jul 22, 2025, 11:27 PM
10 hrs ago

Her list of the accused has been known many years, though 3 names are obscured:

* Prince Andrew
* Former New Mexico Governor and POTUS candidate Bill Richardson (-D)
* Former U.S. Senate Majority Leader George Mitchell (-D)
* Attorney Alan Dershowitz (multiple occasions, per her testimony)
* Lex Wexner - billionaire founder and former CEO of a huge clothing conglomerate
* Hedge‑fund billionaire Glenn Dubin ("Maxwell told me to go to Glenn Dubin and give him a massage, which means sex" )
* Legendary MIT scientist Marvin Minsky
* Modeling agent Jean‑Luc Brunel
* A “well‑known Prime Minister” (unnamed for safety reasons)
* A “foreign president" (unnamed for safety reasons)
* And the owner of a “large hotel chain” in France (unnamed for safety reasons)

She has since admitted she may have misidentified Dershowitz, they dropped their suits against each other with no blame, no money exchanging hands, and the above public admission.

Those still living, and accused, are:
Prince Andrew,
George Mitchell (91),
Glenn Dubin (68),
Lex Wexner (87),
The three unknown people (maybe).

That's the list that can be presumed to exist because none of the other 15 victims who testified or gave interviews has ever accused anyone but Epstein and Maxwell

And here's what she testified about IQ47:

“I don’t think Donald Trump participated in anything. That would have to be another assumption. I never saw or witnessed Donald Trump participate in those acts, but was he in the house of Jeffrey Epstein… I’ve heard he has been, but I haven’t seen him myself so I don’t know.”


I'm only mentioning all this because 'the list', as it now stands, is not in 'our favor', so I don't quite understand the zeal on DU to make it a super-real "thing". But that's just me.

bigtree

(91,934 posts)
3. innocent people don't generally suppress the files that prove their innocence
Tue Jul 22, 2025, 11:40 PM
10 hrs ago

...that's the political point here.

None of those people you listed have blocked access to the Epstein files.

And most Democrats are fine with holding other Democrats accountable for their illegal, immoral, or otherwise objectionable conduct because, we're not in a cult.

If you read what I posted above, you can see that the victims weren't allowed to continue their exposure of their abusers in court, but were not only kept out of the process of limiting the charges, but were subject to the Florida deal which shielded hypothetically assumed perps from any accountability or exposure.


Daniel Goldman @danielsgoldman
What about videos, photographs and other recordings?

What about FBI 302’s (witness interviews)?

What about texts and emails?

That’s where the evidence about Trump and others will be.

AZJonnie

(1,058 posts)
4. I've followed the whole thing closely since I read Brown's article, what you posted is not new to me :)
Wed Jul 23, 2025, 03:40 AM
6 hrs ago

I could make a lot of counter-arguments, but I'll just make two for the sake of brevity: Virginia Giuffre gave that list of names, IN COURT (civil, but still court), friend. Thus, "you can see that the victims weren't allowed to continue their exposure of their abusers in court" is demonstrably untrue. She sued Maxwell and Andrew and got settlements from them both, estimated to have been millions of dollars. And I'll mention that I don't believe that Richardson or Mitchell had sex with Giuffre, but if they did, no way did they know she was being trafficked, and probably did not know she was 17 rather than 18. Which means, the one and only list that is known to exist? I question its usefulness. Sorry

This brevity is to leave room for the most important point: there will be NO additional justice meted out on behalf of the victims with Trump and Bondi in charge of ANY proceedings, document dumps, nothing. Incidentally, there will be no advantage gained by Democrats politically by the same. I think it's a giant distraction, and anything we 'learn' is going to benefit Trump, and Republicans, period. They'll make sure of it. Also worth considering is that the more MAGA sees Democrats yelling about releasing the files, the more they'll believe Trump and his stupid 'Democrat Hoax' story and NOT want them released. OUR anger over this will pull his angry fans right back to his side, with no gain for Justice, or for Democrats. I very much question whether this is the time for our side to agitate for the release of documents, because they absolutely will be curated, ala Barr and Mueller.

And don't get me started on how much we should prefer to see Maxwell (or rather, not see) rotting in jail right now, not 'testifying' to the GQP congressional flying monkey brigade.

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