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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsHunter Biden says 'F*ck You' to George Clooney (NSFW)
He makes a very powerful argument

usaf-vet
(7,613 posts)samsingh
(18,110 posts)live love laugh
(15,655 posts)Furthermore this is not the time to be silent.
valleyrogue
(2,224 posts)Clooney and his ilk did Trump's dirty work for him. They might not have intended it that way, but that is the way it turned out.
Rule number 1 in elections: You never, ever, EVER force a sitting president from your own party out.
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Joinfortmill
(18,605 posts)PatSeg
(50,637 posts)but it would have been nice to have received some credit in his lifetime. I am still very upset with how so-called friends and colleagues treated Joe Biden who truly deserved more support and credit than he was given.
Hunter is expressing my own feelings and outrage.
madibella
(183 posts)Clowns.
People I admired, went along with the circus.
Congratulations.
Cuthbert Allgood
(5,304 posts)I'm quite sure the internal polling showed that when the move was made to convince Biden to not run.
Blue Full Moon
(2,467 posts)Cuthbert Allgood
(5,304 posts)But let's not pretend that the election wasn't going to be brutal for Biden.
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Ray Bruns
(5,416 posts)Those are just the facts.
maddiemom
(5,128 posts)Trump didn't, have to DO or SAY ANYTHING. He never had to debate because Biden eliminated. HIMSELF almost .immediately.. Given his performance against Harris, I guess jt wouldn't have mattered anyway.:
Mtnmama
(78 posts)That people couldn't see the difference between a competent person who accomplished so much in his first term who was, yes, experiencing some cognitive decline, but who was still competent, and an immoral, criminal, vindictive conman who wanted to destroy democracy and become all powerful.
madibella
(183 posts)What we the United States and the world are witnessing right now is the result of a republican base that never ever goes against Donald Trump. And as a result of that, we are now in an alternate reality where up is down left is right, you name it.
I honestly believe that 99% of that can be attributed to the fact that Republicans will never say a bad word about Trump and therefore no media will ever even begin to question anything that Trump is doing. They didnt do it during the campaign and theyre not doing it now. The world is on fire because of what Trump has done/is doing and the Republicans are doing better poll wise than the Democrats are!
Even now, we live in a world with anything that Trump does is accepted. There is no pushback.
And if Biden had been given at least some kind of support from the get-go, from the day he took office, things would have been a lot different. Of this I am convinced. Whether or not Biden ran.
The Democrats fell for it. They fell for the pressure instead of standing on principle. Other than that debate performance, I honestly have never seen this supposed mental deterioration of Biden. I see it from Trump. I see it every single day.
Every time a Democrat from day, one of the Biden administration had gone on television there was always the well yes Biden is old, blah blah blah, or just letting them control the narrative. And theyre still doing it! Why are we talking about Biden? Its because it provides endless content for the media and the Democrats are so weak at this point that they just keep falling for over and over again. Regurgitating storylines incessantly.
Democrats are seen as weak now. These are not the people I would want in a fight. Before I used to think somebody would help us, somebody would save us. Where is everyone?
As part of my job, I have a social media presence and I spent a lot of time on social media. And people literally are asking where is the help. Where are the democrats?
We could not ask for a better person to run against on paper. Our poll numbers should be skyrocketing, but theyre not. The Democrats are seen as weak.
So yes, fuck Clooney and every single one of them who I used to admire greatly. They can all go fuck themselves. I will personally never think of them the same way again. The good guys are no more (my feelings).
Sorry for the rant. Im talking to text, so hopefully this makes sense lol.
crimycarny
(1,865 posts)You wrote everything I am feeling as well.
As for Bidens cognitive decline, I agree wholeheartedly that I never saw any of that either. What I saw was a man getting older and a bit slower to speak. Which, considering that Joe Biden has to constantly battle a stutter, is not surprising that it gets harder as you get older. People are confusing performance with content. Because Trump was able to speak loudly and get the words out quickly, people are completely ignoring what he actually SAID, which was lies and gibberish.
And, yeah, who wants to trust a party to fight for them when they wont even fight for their own President? A man who passed more of their legislation than any Democratic President in modern history!
LiberalArkie
(18,621 posts)SocialDemocrat61
(5,210 posts)Truman could win in 1948. In July 1988, Dukakis was 18 points ahead of Bush. No one knows how an election will play out until it actually happens.
PatSeg
(50,637 posts)There are quite a few people that I've lost all respect for. Instead of singing praises for his extraordinary accomplishments, they attacked and undercut him every way they could.
themaguffin
(4,539 posts)situation.
In It to Win It
(11,124 posts)Kamala Harris did not have the most optimal start but I thought she gave us not a winning hand but a fighting chance.
I didn't think we had a fighting chance with Joe Biden unfortunately.
dlk
(12,792 posts)All of the backstabbing accomplished what? We now have Trump. Well done, guys.
MichMan
(15,504 posts)Speaking to USA Today in an exclusive interview, Biden did, however, add that he was unsure if he would have had the stamina for another four-year term.
"So far, so good," the 82-year-old said. "But who knows what I'm going to be when I'm 86 years old?"
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cx2v2pz38g8o
Autumn
(48,176 posts)usaf-vet
(7,613 posts)Autumn
(48,176 posts)Kamala called Trump and congratulated him on his victory.
usaf-vet
(7,613 posts)National elections are vulnerable because anyone with access to a computer can potentially compromise them if it is plugged in and connected to a network. All you need is the right tools and the right knowledge. Secondly, the repugs have fought since day one to not maintain a paper trail. Why?
The early electronic voting machines were made by the same companies that produce ATMs. Who in their right mind would use an ATM to deposit and withdraw money if they didn't receive a printed receipt?
THEY TOLD US RECEIPTS WERE NOT POSSIBLE FROM VOTING MACHINES.
History will prove that those of us who could see it happening, WE JUST DIDN'T HAVE A LOUD ENOUGH VOICE to convince others.
I know they do not always use the same techniques, but they are still manipulating the election process. The more visible, open methods of doing this include gerrymandering, moving voting locations at the last minute, or failing to provide enough voting stations for the expected number of voters in any given district. And more recently, they have been placing individuals in voting locations to intimidate potential voters.
Just like everything else Trump does, he telegraphs what he has done and is going to do. They RIGGED the 2024 election, hear it here from the convicted felon.
https://www.democraticunderground.com/13242540
https://www.youtube.com/live/44PSaIfKGtE?si=2uak0o5coCDKcKKt&t=145
Trump was telling us all that he WAS going to be out in front at this year's FIFA World Cup.
Remember, just this past week, Trump was an unwanted participant in the FIFA World Cup trophy presentation. He had to be ushered off the stage. The players were not happy with his presence. Watch this video, especially the number 10 player who Trump stood in front of until he was ushered back. https://www.tiktok.com/@sbsnews_au/video/7526737863539461382
Fiddlelady11
(81 posts)Was rigged by Elroy Jetson- the muskrat from South Africa. Thats what happened. Wake up. trump didnt win.
Kaleva
(39,656 posts)Given that you believe the prior election was rigged?
live love laugh
(15,655 posts)Kaleva
(39,656 posts)People tend not to engage in activities when they believe the outcome is already predetermined and they have no chance of winning.
Celerity
(50,961 posts)Kaleva
(39,656 posts)obnoxiousdrunk
(3,082 posts)fujiyamasan
(491 posts)I get it, hes loyal to his dad, but I would rather his family had told Joe that it was time to hang it up and that he had little support left to continue his campaign. They should have told him not to run in the first place. But instead they dig in. The more they talk, the less I care for them.Blaming George Clooney of all people is ridiculous, who had put together the biggest fundraiser in democratic history. Its not Clooney Im pissed at at this point.
Democratic lawmakers were understandably worried about losing their own jobs. Staying loyal to a president that was almost sure to lose was not going to help. Biden put them in a very tough spot.
valleyrogue
(2,224 posts)How did that work out, by the way?
Hunter has every right to make his case, and he does it way better than his critics.
fujiyamasan
(491 posts)He was however convinced there was no likely path to win. I think for some time he was kept in the dark by the likes of Donilon and others in his inner circle.
There was real desperation after the debate. Donors were fleeing. Congressional democrats were increasingly worried, especially those in swing districts.
How did it work out? Were playing what ifs at this point. My personal guess is that it worked out better than if he had remained the nominee. My guess is he would have lost an additional one or two states over Harris and more dems would have lost in the House and Senate.
There was no coming back from that debate.
Duncan Grant
(8,757 posts)Its important to remember that a successful incumbent President was subjected to a contrived, three week public relations campaign, 24 hours a day, seven days a week. The campaign to remove Joe Biden *saturated* American culture the Media flooded us with the message incessantly. We were in it up to our nostrils. Nancy Pelosi contributed significantly to the effort.
It was unprecedented and will never be repeated.
madibella
(183 posts)Wounded Bear
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tulipsandroses
(7,698 posts)I fully supported VP Harris. But I was very much bothered by Clooney and his meddling.
50 Shades Of Blue
(11,187 posts)As one of my all-time favorite bosses used to say in response to a "fuck him" re anybody he loathed (such as Ronald Reagan)... "I wouldn't do it with yours."
Hassin Bin Sober
(27,160 posts)Those voicemails President Biden left for this tore my heart out.
live love laugh
(15,655 posts)live love laugh
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BlueTsunami2018
(4,500 posts)Good for Hunter. Everyone he put on blast deserves every bit of it.
Midwestern Democrat
(937 posts)valleyrogue
(2,224 posts)crimycarny
(1,865 posts)Not enough spankings? His mother and sister were KILLED in a car accident when he was only 3 years old. He, along with Beau, spent months in the hospital recovering.
Then he loses Beau, his beloved brother, to cancer.
WTF is wrong with you? Spankings?
As a parent who has lost a child, and knows the devastation of grief, I can only say go to hell. (And, yes, Im sure my comment will be deleted)
fujiyamasan
(491 posts)Last edited Wed Jul 23, 2025, 09:06 AM - Edit history (1)
Its very well possible the accident that killed his mom and sister had a lasting traumatic impact on him (thats what he has said before in interviews). He did suffer head injuries. Maybe it had an impact on some of his impulsive behavior and propensity toward drug use. But Im not involved in psychology so not sure if thats really credible.
He may have also felt like the black sheep of the family, with Beau being the favored one.
I dont think he does his dad or family any favors by doing these interviews, but I think he likes the spotlight.
eShirl
(19,394 posts)LetMyPeopleVote
(166,531 posts)valleyrogue
(2,224 posts)It was organized, with the "debate" being the excuse for these people to undermine a sitting president. It just isn't done, and the election was definitely lost for Democrats when that stunt was pulled. It would have been better for Biden to have lost than to put Kamala Harris up as a lamb to the slaughter. She didn't deserve that shit. She ran an impeccable campaign, but one cannot undermine a sitting president by forcing him out.
I don't like to even think about this. Of course, I do think there were some dirty tactics by the Trump bunch with regard to the swing states. No way Trump won all of those. It smacks of fraud.
valleyrogue
(2,224 posts)even though Joe wasn't going to state the obvious, let alone use a bunch of expletives.
SADAR
(68 posts)F**k George Clooney.
That is all.
SocialDemocrat61
(5,210 posts)I refused to watch his play on CNN because so many are suffering thanks to his bruised ego.
And while we are at it, f*ck CNN!
F*ck Jake Tapper!
F*ck Rob Reiner!
F*ck Ezra Klein!
F*ck Jon Stewart!
President Biden deserved better