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kentuck

(114,444 posts)
Sat Jul 19, 2025, 11:12 AM Saturday

Donald Trump is very ill.

He is unable to do his duties as the president of this country. When he is not on the golf course, you know something is terribly wrong.

Behind closed doors, they should be discussing the 25th Amendment.

Just as he has hid his health records from the public for the last 10 years, his supporters continue to hide the seriousness of his condition. He looks terrible. His face is swollen. He is covering up large bruises with make-up. He has a difficult time walking as his ankles are very swollen. His mental faculties have been dulled by his physical condition.

The people have a right to know about the health of their President. They were quick to accuse Joe Biden of dementia and incompetence, but they hide more serious health issues about Donald Trump.

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Donald Trump is very ill. (Original Post) kentuck Saturday OP
I agree, Haggard Celine Saturday #1
I agree with most points in the OP but from the recent FIFA match video shows him walking... brush Saturday #97
But if he goes, then we get you-know-who.... CTyankee Saturday #133
Insurance policy from what? TSF didn't put out this video. And none of the a-holes in the line of succession is a.. brush Saturday #135
No one belongs to the Cult of JayDee. LastLiberal in PalmSprings Saturday #141
that's my opinion as well. barbtries Saturday #150
None of those assholes in the line of succession are an improvement to the nation over trump. brush Saturday #171
i think it's fear. barbtries Sunday #184
See post 171. Now we need the world trembling? What the fuck is going on? brush Sunday #172
He's like a rotting corpse that is still moving Blue Owl Saturday #2
A real "Weekend at Bernie's" vibe. Girard442 Saturday #5
If he passes while in office, his handlers will wait daaaaaays until revealing anything. NCDem47 Saturday #29
They only know the old Soviet playbook LiberalArkie Saturday #47
They'll have to keep Vance in the dark, too. nt Ilsa Saturday #86
Instead of "Swan Lake" airing on all stations before the announcement, we'll have non-stop Kid Rock and Lee Greenwood. Efilroft Sul Saturday #163
That autopen will be signing all kinds of crap 'before he died' of course. *wink* *wink* TheBlackAdder Sunday #173
more like "Night of the Living Dead" DBoon Saturday #33
More like Norman Bates' mother in psycho. InAbLuEsTaTe Saturday #81
I was thinking of a reverse Dorian Gray. ChazInAz Saturday #99
In Hell Jack Valentino Saturday #165
He's really dead already, just too stupid to lay down. The Wizard Saturday #55
You're killing me! Solomon Saturday #64
Yes, he's the Magat-filled zombie god... ananda Saturday #105
He reminds me of the alien mindfulNJ Sunday #174
Tarot Readers on YouTube are saying Captain Zero Saturday #3
cartomancy Celerity Saturday #7
The only card he'll ever need orangecrush Saturday #44
great cover of that song Celerity Saturday #51
Thanks! orangecrush Saturday #142
Are they predicting a merry Christmas? dhol82 Saturday #9
"They won't say what, how, why." Disaffected Saturday #12
Do we really need another rhetorical question? Seinan Sensei Saturday #93
It's OK if Disaffected Saturday #129
Tarot readers TnDem Saturday #21
Right now the astrologers are more accurate leftyladyfrommo Saturday #23
OK TnDem Saturday #28
that's ok NJCher Saturday #48
Sounds like divination and nonsense to me TnDem Saturday #66
as a writer, I NJCher Saturday #73
I see TnDem Saturday #118
Sorry, but I'm calling BS. Disaffected Saturday #128
Quote: Sounds like divination and nonsense to me Disaffected Saturday #125
My ex says I'm psychotic. Where can I go to develop my powers? 3Hotdogs Saturday #157
The White House. Jack Valentino Saturday #167
At this point if it is the tarot that rids us of him, I'll take what I can get Captain Zero Saturday #50
Dem4ever1978 Dem4ever1978 Saturday #60
I'm not sure leftieNanner Saturday #166
I object to this form of expression NJCher Saturday #54
It's not just YouTube -- all of the psychics on TikTok are saying it too. OMGWTF Saturday #61
OH, TikTok too TnDem Saturday #120
But don't you hope they turn out to be right??? Jack Valentino Saturday #168
It's probably more that people are just leftyladyfrommo Saturday #144
Also kkmarie Saturday #57
Hopefully the last four and a half of those last five months he is resting in state in the White House. generalbetrayus Saturday #78
Well Traildogbob Saturday #83
Destruction of anything democratic is no accomplishment whatsoever. No attempt at rewriting his history will change that ancianita Saturday #103
I remember some very similar predictions, his first time around. tavernier Saturday #92
Gonna mark my calendar...lessee, mid-Ocotober...hubby's birthday is on Hallowe'en. Big party... CTyankee Saturday #134
Kicking him out before the midterms is the GOPs last best chance tinrobot Saturday #156
Unfortunately he will be like his father dalton99a Saturday #4
Trump rso Saturday #16
Yep...anyone remember this? keep_left Saturday #56
OMG MorbidButterflyTat Saturday #82
Five sleazy pieces. calimary Saturday #91
I just lost my appetite for breakfast. 3catwoman3 Sunday #175
I had this same thought earlier today. We can hope. Joinfortmill Saturday #112
Possible retabulation by every state. That would cause anarchy. That is even scary than the orange man. efhmc Saturday #68
The American people deserve to know who is running the country bucolic_frolic Saturday #6
It is Stephen Miller by all accounts - the cabinet secretaries defer to him on key decisions dalton99a Saturday #10
Its is crazy Stephen Miller (white house bully) Jvp Saturday #25
Yep. Miller's agenda is simple: 1) Install a fascist dictatorship and 2) Reduce the nonwhite population dalton99a Saturday #37
Sadly, it seems to be working. rubbersole Saturday #41
What video of Miller in high school? Classmates corroborated what he said, iirc, & he was already awful Hekate Saturday #114
that evil weirdo is only 39 f-ing years old. omg! nt orleans Saturday #46
Fascist Cuck AND the billionaire donors. GoCubsGo Saturday #87
A real world Lee Sarason Bristlecone Saturday #136
Miller and Voight. Amaryllis Saturday #52
So auto-pen meets auto-mind bucolic_frolic Saturday #71
Thanks for mentioning Russ Vought. Mike 03 Saturday #79
Vought is a true Believer lildDemz Saturday #104
It's obvious Trump is unwell. sop Saturday #8
He will NOT resign Bmoboy Saturday #11
Trump will sign anything if they hand him a Sharpie and call him "Sir!" sop Saturday #17
Arrgh, unfortunately-- viva la Saturday #13
Vance rso Saturday #18
Vance will take the bigotry of the Id that is trump's MAGA LuvLoogie Saturday #62
And he is willing to suggest that his in-laws and his wife and his own children are.... viva la Saturday #117
The Crypt Keeper looks healthier. no_hypocrisy Saturday #14
hilarious! vapor2 Saturday #38
Blue eyes! Who knew? FadedMullet Saturday #153
Jake! JAKE! WHERE ARE YOU! Norbert Saturday #15
Is it bad that I want to see Joe Biden paying his 'respects' at Trump's funeral? mackdaddy Saturday #19
Pulmonary Edema (hands), vascular dementia, wearing a catheter, and his right leg is dragging Botany Saturday #27
Excuse me but KentuckyWoman Saturday #102
He wears diapers and I am sure that he has nurse's aids that clean him up daily Botany Saturday #108
These are not hands with any significant edema. Ms. Toad Saturday #116
Thanx for the correction Botany Saturday #124
The same old story Nasruddin Saturday #170
How do we know he is hooked up to a catheter? 3catwoman3 Sunday #176
Joe Biden is the best President of my lifetime and Trump is just evil. Botany Saturday #111
I agree! Jean Genie Saturday #130
He is senile and puerile at the same time BoRaGard Saturday #20
I am a firm believer that a person's meanness can eat away at their general health Ohioboy Saturday #22
true enough NJCher Saturday #53
For a person with a conscience, that makes sense. Safe as Milk Saturday #143
Suspect all those who might take trump's place or move up in Party have a marketed up copy of 25th Amendment. Silent Type Saturday #24
Please, no! We need closure, like the clunk when the cell block locks down at night. Kid Berwyn Saturday #26
It's going to be quite a task repairing his soul energy CanonRay Saturday #30
I read a book about suicides NJCher Saturday #70
Michael Newton talks about it in Journey of Souls. CanonRay Saturday #74
I have that book NJCher Saturday #76
You're only saying that to make us feel better 😉 CentralMass Saturday #31
I hope all of his remaining days are filled with pain and misery. Takket Saturday #32
They'll put him in an exoskeleton tonekat Saturday #34
I totally agree Maine Abu El Banat Saturday #35
Once you give his mental illness a pass the rest seems inconsequential. hay rick Saturday #36
I don't believe that. I don't believe anything from them especially when they're so forthcoming. live love laugh Saturday #39
I remember in his previous term mgardener Saturday #40
I think it is almost certain 25th is being discussed Iris Saturday #42
You called it! I hadn't thought of that, but you're absolutely right. Greybnk48 Saturday #43
A minor tweak Mblaze Saturday #45
Call me when he's DEAD - nt AZ8theist Saturday #49
Malevolent mendacity... GiqueCee Saturday #58
Malevolent mendacity and mindless malice. 3catwoman3 Sunday #177
I do love... GiqueCee Sunday #179
Me, too. 3catwoman3 Sunday #182
That pretty well sums him up! GiqueCee Sunday #183
Truth hits a wall gfarber Saturday #59
You've got a real talent for limericks, gfarber! calimary Saturday #98
He's been ill for years and his supporters just Jspur Saturday #63
Not ill enough, he is still consuming oxgyen. republianmushroom Saturday #65
Also notable is how fast this problem arose Raven123 Saturday #67
Post removed Post removed Saturday #69
Good. Maybe he'll just fucking die already. Orrex Saturday #72
Skip the suffering and get right to it. Happy Saturday. twodogsbarking Saturday #75
The said thing is... AdamGG Saturday #77
25 47!! InAbLuEsTaTe Saturday #80
How many days left? Doodley Saturday #84
It's been two weeks since his last golf outing. IL Dem Saturday #85
After he bombed Iran, he quit golfing because he knew they knew Captain Zero Saturday #88
Nothing new to see here. Dave Id Saturday #89
He looks and acts like a 79 year old man SCantiGOP Saturday #90
Not ill enough for me Ferrets are Cool Saturday #94
He is a catastrophic, creaking corpse kairos12 Saturday #95
I "c" what you did there! calimary Saturday #101
Not my resident! AKwannabe Saturday #96
The weight of his -karma finally approaching a concept of a heart attack? Brainfodder Saturday #100
It's a race between when he crashes and when the puppet masters need him out Attilatheblond Saturday #106
I've noticed that about Bondi too. Dulcinea Saturday #169
Yes, the hypocrisy is monumental. Joinfortmill Saturday #107
If I had a dollar for every "Trump is ill" post - Ms. Toad Saturday #109
Lymphedema CountAllVotes Saturday #110
Is Donald Trump-il ? Historic NY Saturday #113
A thousand cuts are not enough randr Saturday #115
Mentally..a sick man Demovictory9 Saturday #119
trump is NOT well LetMyPeopleVote Saturday #121
As I understand it, the 25th Amendment must be invoked by the Vice President FakeNoose Saturday #122
Larger hurdle than that. Pacifist Patriot Saturday #137
Thanks for this thorough explanation! FakeNoose Saturday #158
Here's an AI excerpt from Google: Safe as Milk Saturday #154
He was very ill in January of 2017. Nothing will change until it's politically safe for Rs to do something. themaguffin Saturday #123
In the last 24 hours, trump has... LetMyPeopleVote Saturday #126
Not gonna happen. Wednesdays Saturday #127
Don't worry, Im sure little Jakie Tapper liberalhistorian Saturday #131
Much as I hate to admit it, I am afraid this is just wishful thinking on our part. Katinfl Saturday #132
"Donald Trump is very ill." lastlib Saturday #138
He can't even stand up right now. Initech Saturday #139
Nonsense awesomerwb1 Saturday #140
That's why the GOP flips the script to zbiden stollen Saturday #145
Jake Tapper is writing the book now! maspaha Saturday #146
Positively Brezhnevian. eppur_se_muova Saturday #147
This message was self-deleted by its author writerJT Saturday #148
He played last weekend and claimed to have won championship at Bedminster wishstar Saturday #159
Ah, thank you. writerJT Saturday #162
he is demented as well, barbtries Saturday #149
I've Heard It Said That Some People WiVoter Saturday #151
He has always Traildogbob Saturday #152
Is Shady Vance COL Mustard Saturday #155
I'm confident they are discussing the 25th amendment in there. paulkienitz Saturday #160
Not ill enough..... Evolve Dammit Saturday #161
He looks about the same to me. Here's his latest picture. Emile Saturday #164
All Trump has to do is make it thru the midterms. Then he will be GONE back to MAL. flying_wahini Sunday #178
With GWB I always hoped he'd be okay biocube Sunday #180
I believe he has syphilis displacedvermoter Sunday #181

brush

(60,620 posts)
97. I agree with most points in the OP but from the recent FIFA match video shows him walking...
Sat Jul 19, 2025, 02:03 PM
Saturday

Last edited Sat Jul 19, 2025, 03:56 PM - Edit history (2)

very well and even stopping to 'bow' at the booing crowd, which disappointed me as that came on the heels of reports of his ankles being so swollen he could hardly walk.

Don't get me wrong, I want the senile-adjacent MFer incapacitated too, but we have to bide our time as he's still able to walk well enough...dammit.

CTyankee

(66,590 posts)
133. But if he goes, then we get you-know-who....
Sat Jul 19, 2025, 03:45 PM
Saturday

I think it's his insurance policy against getting thrown out of office on his ass.

brush

(60,620 posts)
135. Insurance policy from what? TSF didn't put out this video. And none of the a-holes in the line of succession is a..
Sat Jul 19, 2025, 04:00 PM
Saturday

bargain.We are truly fucked as the SCOTUS 6 are in on it as they've given him immunity for 'official acts.'

141. No one belongs to the Cult of JayDee.
Sat Jul 19, 2025, 04:50 PM
Saturday

That doesn't mean the world wouldn't be better off without TACO's little fingers anywhere near the Red Button. I just don't see politicians and world leaders trembling in their boots at every utterance of The Bearded Boy.

barbtries

(30,602 posts)
150. that's my opinion as well.
Sat Jul 19, 2025, 05:39 PM
Saturday

vance will not ever be as powerful as krasnov; he will not have the cult, republicans will not kowtow to him, even the SC will probably start making rulings that make sense again.

krasnov goes away and things will get better, not worse.

brush

(60,620 posts)
171. None of those assholes in the line of succession are an improvement to the nation over trump.
Sat Jul 19, 2025, 11:55 PM
Saturday

What is going on here? Duers lobbying for trump to stay in power. We are now officially in Bizarro World.

barbtries

(30,602 posts)
184. i think it's fear.
Sun Jul 20, 2025, 04:42 PM
Sunday

that the nation will go completely dark. but I think, without him around, some republicans will regain their spine. Some SC justices may even as well.

i don't think any of the people around krasnov are better than him. I think the situation will be more hopeful if he is gone.

brush

(60,620 posts)
172. See post 171. Now we need the world trembling? What the fuck is going on?
Sun Jul 20, 2025, 12:02 AM
Sunday

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NCDem47

(2,922 posts)
29. If he passes while in office, his handlers will wait daaaaaays until revealing anything.
Sat Jul 19, 2025, 11:54 AM
Saturday

Efilroft Sul

(4,093 posts)
163. Instead of "Swan Lake" airing on all stations before the announcement, we'll have non-stop Kid Rock and Lee Greenwood.
Sat Jul 19, 2025, 08:58 PM
Saturday

ChazInAz

(2,932 posts)
99. I was thinking of a reverse Dorian Gray.
Sat Jul 19, 2025, 02:08 PM
Saturday

Is there a portrait of him somewhere that's getting younger and better looking?

Captain Zero

(8,148 posts)
3. Tarot Readers on YouTube are saying
Sat Jul 19, 2025, 11:16 AM
Saturday

He has around only 5 more months remaining in the White House. They won't say what, how, why. They just say 5 months and he won't be in the white house.

Celerity

(50,959 posts)
51. great cover of that song
Sat Jul 19, 2025, 12:23 PM
Saturday
Battalion Of Saints - Ace Of Spades (1984)


Label: Nutrons Records – E 1020, Enigma Records – E 1020
Format: Vinyl, LP, Album
Country: US
Released: 1984
Genre: Rock
Style: Hardcore, Speed Metal, Punk









TnDem

(1,082 posts)
21. Tarot readers
Sat Jul 19, 2025, 11:45 AM
Saturday

So, we are down to tarot readers on YouTube to predict whether Trump makes it? You're kidding, right?

Maybe they can provide a few winning lottery numbers on YouTube, so I can quit my job?

TnDem

(1,082 posts)
28. OK
Sat Jul 19, 2025, 11:52 AM
Saturday

If you hear of any predictions about something that will help any of our bottom lines, then let us know.

I have never used CBS as a prophetic guide to anything either.

NJCher

(40,732 posts)
48. that's ok
Sat Jul 19, 2025, 12:21 PM
Saturday

Last edited Sat Jul 19, 2025, 01:10 PM - Edit history (1)

It's because you don't understand this sense. You can't come at it from the direction in which you or most others do so. It's an expanded consciousness and it does require certain mental disciplines to get there.

At one time the human brain spheres didn't communicate with each other and consciousness had a very different way of working. Read The Origin of Consciousness and the Breakdown of he Bicameral Mind by Julian Jaynes as a starter.

on edit: So what I am saying is that the human brain evolves. What we are talking about is neuroscience. Yes, there are studies that document this. If you want the scientists and the bodies of work, I can give you a general direction in which to go, but I'm not going to do your work for you. To be clear: psychics and intuitives are operating at a higher level of consciousness. To get to that level, certain areas of the brain have to be developed. Certain mental focus exercises give one the ability to get to that level.

Is that clear?


Also, be aware that "time" is a fabrication of our particular dimension. This is why you can't get "time" from any psychic or even from a dream, which is another dimension.

Dimensions can be accessed through certain brainwave states, and this used to require decades of mental focus exercises. Now, with binaural beats and a few other methods, one can get to these states after a few months of practice, but even if you can get there, it doesn't mean you'll know how to navigate it.



TnDem

(1,082 posts)
66. Sounds like divination and nonsense to me
Sat Jul 19, 2025, 12:43 PM
Saturday

Anytime you see things like:

you don't understand this sense

be aware that "time" is a fabrication of our particular dimension

and this used to require decades of mental focus exercises

It screams reality avoiding, ephemeral nonsense...I mean, re-read your post.

Just think, if the detainees in South Florida can mentally focus enough, maybe they and the homeless woman in Lexington KY can escape to another dimension...Hell, maybe we can all escape and then we won't have to plan for the mid-terms.

NJCher

(40,732 posts)
73. as a writer, I
Sat Jul 19, 2025, 01:06 PM
Saturday

failed to draw a line here that you need to make sense of my post. It is:

Consciousness evolves.

I will go back and edit my post to put that in.

Of course it sounds like nonsense to you. The Encyclopedia Britannica looks like nonsense to a three-year old, too. You don't comprehend the intuitive sense because you either weren't born with the mental faculty to operate with it and/or you haven't devoted any time and effort to getting your mind to be able to work in an advanced level of consciousness.

I would ask, however, that you refrain from disrespecting divergent means of ascertaining what reality is when you don't understand this sense. At least put some effort into understanding it. It's like prejudice: certain white people don't like minorities because they've never been around them. Same applies to you and your M.O. for how others attain information.

Just so you know, for a time I tracked the predictions of these readers and a very high percentage of them did manifest. It is very time consuming work, however, and since it doesn't pay my mortage, I couldn't continue doing it. I did it long enough to know, however, that watching their predictions is not a waste of time.

TnDem

(1,082 posts)
118. I see
Sat Jul 19, 2025, 02:44 PM
Saturday

So a person has to have an "advanced level of consciousness", otherwise, it looks like nonsense "like a three year old".

Maybe I should be been born with better "mental faculties", that way I could better understand "what reality is".

Of course, none of your replies above are condescending or disrespectful at all, correct?

I do agree with one thing you said, but I doubt those real trees can cloud your view of your ephemeral forest;

"...however, and since it doesn't pay my mortgage, I couldn't continue doing it..."

Disaffected

(5,765 posts)
128. Sorry, but I'm calling BS.
Sat Jul 19, 2025, 03:08 PM
Saturday

"........I tracked the predictions of these readers and a very high percentage of them did manifest. "

Show us the methodology and data (at a "three year old level" so we all can understand it please).

ETA: And please report back in 5 months if the prediction of the OP was accurate or not.

Disaffected

(5,765 posts)
125. Quote: Sounds like divination and nonsense to me
Sat Jul 19, 2025, 03:01 PM
Saturday

That's because it is divination and nonsense.

Captain Zero

(8,148 posts)
50. At this point if it is the tarot that rids us of him, I'll take what I can get
Sat Jul 19, 2025, 12:21 PM
Saturday

Regardless, JDV is probably next up.

leftieNanner

(16,010 posts)
166. I'm not sure
Sat Jul 19, 2025, 10:02 PM
Saturday

Some congress critters might actually grow spines and say no. JDV isn't their God.

NJCher

(40,732 posts)
54. I object to this form of expression
Sat Jul 19, 2025, 12:26 PM
Saturday
down to tarot readers
If you don't understand the sense, at least don't dis it until you do understand it.

leftyladyfrommo

(19,888 posts)
144. It's probably more that people are just
Sat Jul 19, 2025, 05:18 PM
Saturday

picking up on all the things going on right now. Trump is a mess and you can sense it just by watching him. Our minds take all that subliminal info and put it together. We can feel it in the atmosphere all around us.
That information can be very accurate.

kkmarie

(273 posts)
57. Also
Sat Jul 19, 2025, 12:28 PM
Saturday

I've seen the tarot card readers.
Dan Greany writer for The Simpsons is on TikTok saying Krasnov will be removed from office by the end of this year.
He says when Krasnov is removed no one will fight it. It will be accepted by all. He also said that although he doesn't know who will become president, he said jd and no one else in positions in this regime, will ascend to the presidency as they will have went up with Krasnov and they'll go down.

Here's a link to Tarot by the Bay. Also the reader said another medium is speculating that this may involve a recertification of the elections
Anyway
At 5:46 he plays the Dan Greany videos.

?si=jIuQVMPzLhtG-jDZ

generalbetrayus

(1,092 posts)
78. Hopefully the last four and a half of those last five months he is resting in state in the White House.
Sat Jul 19, 2025, 01:16 PM
Saturday

Traildogbob

(11,518 posts)
83. Well
Sat Jul 19, 2025, 01:22 PM
Saturday

What he has accomplished the last 6 months, 5 more will end us. Then Vance and Miller will drive in the final spike.
And we will be subjected to 6 months of trumps burial and endless media of his great he was and how loved he is by the world.
Hundreds of parades as his rotting corpse lies in our house cause they will never let him go.

ancianita

(41,096 posts)
103. Destruction of anything democratic is no accomplishment whatsoever. No attempt at rewriting his history will change that
Sat Jul 19, 2025, 02:12 PM
Saturday

No matter how much fake pomp and circumstance his minions think is real, this one thing is true:
Rewriting his history will not erase the recorded and archived facts of his history of destruction.

One of his 'influencer' minions finally 'got' him and said the truth: "The liberals were right."

tavernier

(13,814 posts)
92. I remember some very similar predictions, his first time around.
Sat Jul 19, 2025, 01:56 PM
Saturday

But unless he’s standing next to a window in the Kremlin, I’m not betting any money on it.

CTyankee

(66,590 posts)
134. Gonna mark my calendar...lessee, mid-Ocotober...hubby's birthday is on Hallowe'en. Big party...
Sat Jul 19, 2025, 03:52 PM
Saturday

tinrobot

(11,649 posts)
156. Kicking him out before the midterms is the GOPs last best chance
Sat Jul 19, 2025, 06:02 PM
Saturday

People are sick of him. If he's spouting off during the 2026 elections, Democrats win big

rso

(2,587 posts)
16. Trump
Sat Jul 19, 2025, 11:39 AM
Saturday

His father wasn’t obese and most likely did not have the horrible diet that Donnie does.

keep_left

(2,974 posts)
56. Yep...anyone remember this?
Sat Jul 19, 2025, 12:27 PM
Saturday

Trump's Mickey D's feast on his private 757. Corey Lewandowski said this occurred on Trump Force One on the regular.

Trump's fast-food feast occurred right after his announcement at one of his rallies that he and RFK Jr were going to "Make America Healthy Again". By the way, RFK Jr has a 20-ounce bottle of what looks very much like regular (full sugar) Coke.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100219823994#post8
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100219732796#post32

efhmc

(15,724 posts)
68. Possible retabulation by every state. That would cause anarchy. That is even scary than the orange man.
Sat Jul 19, 2025, 12:46 PM
Saturday

bucolic_frolic

(51,516 posts)
6. The American people deserve to know who is running the country
Sat Jul 19, 2025, 11:20 AM
Saturday

because it sure ain't Donald Trump. His chiefs and cabinet secretaries? A triumvirate - Miller, Bondi, Patel? These people have been cut loose from accountability as long as they destroy government it's good to go.

dalton99a

(89,486 posts)
10. It is Stephen Miller by all accounts - the cabinet secretaries defer to him on key decisions
Sat Jul 19, 2025, 11:23 AM
Saturday

Nowadays Trump only cares about things that affect him personally - business prospects, bribes, the Epstein case, etc.

Jvp

(38 posts)
25. Its is crazy Stephen Miller (white house bully)
Sat Jul 19, 2025, 11:51 AM
Saturday

Someone should run the video of Stephen Miller in high school ranting about the unfairness of having to pick up his trash at school when there are paid custodians to do that job! He has crazy hair also! Over and over and over!

dalton99a

(89,486 posts)
37. Yep. Miller's agenda is simple: 1) Install a fascist dictatorship and 2) Reduce the nonwhite population
Sat Jul 19, 2025, 12:04 PM
Saturday

Hekate

(98,596 posts)
114. What video of Miller in high school? Classmates corroborated what he said, iirc, & he was already awful
Sat Jul 19, 2025, 02:34 PM
Saturday

Also — what crazy hair? He’s got male-pattern baldness.

Try again?

GoCubsGo

(34,085 posts)
87. Fascist Cuck AND the billionaire donors.
Sat Jul 19, 2025, 01:35 PM
Saturday

Like Peter Thiel, Jeff Bezos, and the ones who own Roberts, Alito, Thomas, etc.

bucolic_frolic

(51,516 posts)
71. So auto-pen meets auto-mind
Sat Jul 19, 2025, 12:53 PM
Saturday

No wonder they're focusing on accusing Joe Biden's tenure. At least Biden was a thinking, intelligent being.

Mike 03

(18,575 posts)
79. Thanks for mentioning Russ Vought.
Sat Jul 19, 2025, 01:17 PM
Saturday

I think he's largely responsible for the non-immigrant chaos, like the lawsuits, Executive Orders, the Big Ugly Bill, shutting off the money spigot to anything of value or that helps people, and much of the day-to-day decision making. His role is to actualize all he can of Project 2025.

sop

(15,238 posts)
8. It's obvious Trump is unwell.
Sat Jul 19, 2025, 11:21 AM
Saturday

He'll likely be hospitalized any day now, then resign under murky circumstances. One can hope, right?

Bmoboy

(509 posts)
11. He will NOT resign
Sat Jul 19, 2025, 11:31 AM
Saturday

A malignant narcissist cannot admit they were ever less than perfect.

sop

(15,238 posts)
17. Trump will sign anything if they hand him a Sharpie and call him "Sir!"
Sat Jul 19, 2025, 11:39 AM
Saturday

He'll probably be too far gone to realize what he's signing. His handlers will build a recreation of the Oval Office at Mar-a-Lago where he can sit and sign fake EOs still believing he's president.

LuvLoogie

(8,150 posts)
62. Vance will take the bigotry of the Id that is trump's MAGA
Sat Jul 19, 2025, 12:37 PM
Saturday

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and transform it into the bigotry of the Ego. He will take trump's racism and morph it into an elitist intellectual cult where MAGA will deme themselves scholars of supremacy.

"Look at how smart JD is!"

Without trump they will look for anyone to keep them "on top." They'll hold the men with fascist Barbies and the women will follow the men.

JD has even less problem lying than trump. He is the Terminator.

viva la

(4,190 posts)
117. And he is willing to suggest that his in-laws and his wife and his own children are....
Sat Jul 19, 2025, 02:43 PM
Saturday

less than real Americans.

Yeah, the in-laws with PhDs are not as good Americans as his cough hillbilly forebears? Oh, right, the hillbillies (that was his term) are white. And they are descended from other white people!
"Americans with Civil War ancestors have greater claim to US, Vance says."

Umm, you mean also the ones who fought on the ENEMY side?

gotta ask this-- which group is going to contribute more to the US we have now? Hmm, the microbiologist-college provost and her husband the aerospace engineer?
Or his ma and MeeMaw who set his Peepaw on fire?

no_hypocrisy

(52,355 posts)
14. The Crypt Keeper looks healthier.
Sat Jul 19, 2025, 11:34 AM
Saturday
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mackdaddy

(1,797 posts)
19. Is it bad that I want to see Joe Biden paying his 'respects' at Trump's funeral?
Sat Jul 19, 2025, 11:42 AM
Saturday

My conjecture is that Trump's vascular issues also affect his cognitive function through reduced blood flow to his brain from Long Covid. Or syphilis. Or Both...



Botany

(74,784 posts)
27. Pulmonary Edema (hands), vascular dementia, wearing a catheter, and his right leg is dragging
Sat Jul 19, 2025, 11:52 AM
Saturday

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Live in hope.

Besides he is 79, does not exercise, and his dinners in Saudi Arabia were from
McDonald’s and they were 2 Big Macs, 2 Fillet of Fish, and a chocolate milkshake.

When I was getting a home care nurse she told me that he looked and acted like
some of her patients right before Alzheimer’s set in. The shuffling of his feet to
regain balance, the slurring of words, and lack of focus on the issues. She told me
he is very close to being out of it.

KentuckyWoman

(7,140 posts)
102. Excuse me but
Sat Jul 19, 2025, 02:12 PM
Saturday

A 79 yr old - 4 fast food sammiches in one sitting? First off, how can he stay off the pot long enough to get any sleep that night. Good heavens .... Those poor maids.

Botany

(74,784 posts)
108. He wears diapers and I am sure that he has nurse's aids that clean him up daily
Sat Jul 19, 2025, 02:28 PM
Saturday

But as far as I’m concerned he needs some McDonald’s French Fries with his meals too.

Btw about 10 years ago I was hungry and I had 2 McDonalds fish sandwiches… they tasted ok
but about 1/2 an hour later my later I was outside working on one of my wildflower native plant
projects about 10 minutes from my house and my body rejected that food and sent it out the
back door. I didn’t even get home. When I did I had to undress in the shower. Outside of a very
few egg McMuffin breakfast meals that has cured me of eating that garbage again.

Nasruddin

(1,074 posts)
170. The same old story
Sat Jul 19, 2025, 10:49 PM
Saturday

Maybe so but people have been saying he was on death’s door or about to be locked up for the obvious dementia from the middle of his 1st term…. Eight years ago.

Don’t count on any of it. People can ride CHF for years and he’s so stupid no one will know if he has dementia until it attacks the brain stem.

I personally don’t think his early departure is a good thing at all. Vance is a huge potential disaster because he is not presidential material.

Jean Genie

(502 posts)
130. I agree!
Sat Jul 19, 2025, 03:26 PM
Saturday

I've said it before, and I'll say it again - one of my dearest wishes is that Biden outlives Trump - and maybe dances at his funeral.

Ohioboy

(3,718 posts)
22. I am a firm believer that a person's meanness can eat away at their general health
Sat Jul 19, 2025, 11:46 AM
Saturday

Trump's too busy rage tweeting to be healthy, both mentally and physically.

NJCher

(40,732 posts)
53. true enough
Sat Jul 19, 2025, 12:25 PM
Saturday

I've seen people die of bitterness. It was etched in their faces.

Not a pretty sight.

I also think that thoughts somehow become manifest and when you have this many people hating, loathing, and disgusted with you, it cannot be good.

Safe as Milk

(134 posts)
143. For a person with a conscience, that makes sense.
Sat Jul 19, 2025, 04:55 PM
Saturday

(IMO) Stress turned inward can do a lot of hormonal/enzymatic/biochemical damage. Sociopaths/psychopaths don't have that kind of internal mechanism because they don't have a conscience that would activate those biochemicals. That's why it's possible for Trump to effectively kill hundreds of thousands of COVID victims and still sleep soundly (if he can stay off the social media posts for a night).

Silent Type

(10,521 posts)
24. Suspect all those who might take trump's place or move up in Party have a marketed up copy of 25th Amendment.
Sat Jul 19, 2025, 11:49 AM
Saturday

Kid Berwyn

(21,367 posts)
26. Please, no! We need closure, like the clunk when the cell block locks down at night.
Sat Jul 19, 2025, 11:51 AM
Saturday


"Clunk the Cuck"

CanonRay

(15,437 posts)
30. It's going to be quite a task repairing his soul energy
Sat Jul 19, 2025, 11:55 AM
Saturday

It may have to be scrapped as unrepairable.

NJCher

(40,732 posts)
70. I read a book about suicides
Sat Jul 19, 2025, 12:49 PM
Saturday

This person who wrote it was a psychologist. Long story short, his brother committed suicide and the brother, the author of the book, did an exploration into what happens to people who commit suicide. There are some, like trump, who are so effed up that they cannot be brought up to standards, meaning the standards we have for human decency. This is post mortem, i.e., after the person has crossed over.

If I can find the spot in the book that describes it, I might copy and paste it here. That will take me a while, but it is quite interesting.

Suicide comes from self-hatred and from believing that one is not worthy of the rewards in life that the rest of us regularly reap. That's one explanation, anyway.

And yes, there are some that are in such bad condition they do something with them, but I can't recall what that was. Sort of like scrapped, but not entirely.

NJCher

(40,732 posts)
76. I have that book
Sat Jul 19, 2025, 01:11 PM
Saturday

thanks for the tip. I haven't finished it because it's an audio book and I dont' have the right audiobook software to bookmark where I left off. Have to work on that.

tonekat

(2,285 posts)
34. They'll put him in an exoskeleton
Sat Jul 19, 2025, 12:02 PM
Saturday

An armature to prop his corpse up at the press briefings. "He has laryngitis, so we're just going to play a tape of one of his earlier briefings".

Maine Abu El Banat

(3,512 posts)
35. I totally agree
Sat Jul 19, 2025, 12:03 PM
Saturday

But the reason we have the most incompetent cabinet in history is so the 25th will not be an option

hay rick

(8,895 posts)
36. Once you give his mental illness a pass the rest seems inconsequential.
Sat Jul 19, 2025, 12:03 PM
Saturday

The 25th amendment will deliver us directly into the hands of Peter Thiel's stooge, Mr. Vance. He's working on his makeup as we speak.

live love laugh

(15,655 posts)
39. I don't believe that. I don't believe anything from them especially when they're so forthcoming.
Sat Jul 19, 2025, 12:08 PM
Saturday

He’s never disclosed his medical conditions before but all of a sudden we get a quick response and a full detailed report?

It doesn’t track.

mgardener

(2,102 posts)
40. I remember in his previous term
Sat Jul 19, 2025, 12:12 PM
Saturday

When he was at I think, West Point graduation?
He had a hard time walking down a ramp.
Someone was walking right beside him.
He had trouble walking then, and that was over 4 years ago.

Iris

(16,512 posts)
42. I think it is almost certain 25th is being discussed
Sat Jul 19, 2025, 12:13 PM
Saturday

The people he has surrounded bundled with are power hungry.

Greybnk48

(10,568 posts)
43. You called it! I hadn't thought of that, but you're absolutely right.
Sat Jul 19, 2025, 12:14 PM
Saturday

Why isn't he out there every day, as usual? Brilliant, Kentuck1

Mblaze

(620 posts)
45. A minor tweak
Sat Jul 19, 2025, 12:15 PM
Saturday

"They were quick to accuse Joe Biden of dementia and incompetence, but they hide more serious health issues about Donald Trump."

And they let his incompetence slide.

GiqueCee

(2,573 posts)
58. Malevolent mendacity...
Sat Jul 19, 2025, 12:29 PM
Saturday

... and mindless malice are the lifeblood of the Republican terror organization. They lie to their dying mothers for idle amusement.
They have to prop up Putin's puppet until the Heritage Foundation can take complete control of all three branches of government, and totally tank the economy so they can create the Randian Hellscape of their fever dreams. The planet, and everyone on it, be damned.
It won't happen overnight, but there will be an abundance of slavestock available until both American continents look like Pol Pot's Cambodian Killing Fields from coast to coast.
Hyperbole? I don't think so. But keep your rose-colored glasses handy, 'cause it's gonna get worse before it gets better. LOTS worse.

3catwoman3

(27,186 posts)
182. Me, too.
Sun Jul 20, 2025, 11:54 AM
Sunday

Here's my string of adjectives for TACO Donvict - contemptible, cruel, coarse, crass, common, and crude

gfarber

(53 posts)
59. Truth hits a wall
Sat Jul 19, 2025, 12:30 PM
Saturday

There once was a leader named Trump,
Whose health had become quite a slump.
With face swollen and bruised,
His duties refused,
While whispers of twenty-fifth jumped.

He stumbled around looking pale,
His health was a hush-hush dark tale.
While Biden faced jeers,
For imagined health fears,
This President's truth hit a wall, to no avail.

Jspur

(733 posts)
63. He's been ill for years and his supporters just
Sat Jul 19, 2025, 12:38 PM
Saturday

don't care as long as he continues to spit out his hate rhetoric. Unfortunately for all of us his illnesses haven't stopped him from doing anything.

Raven123

(6,869 posts)
67. Also notable is how fast this problem arose
Sat Jul 19, 2025, 12:44 PM
Saturday

His April 2025 physical reported no edema, so this problem was not noted (hard to imagine if he had a physical), not reported (what’s new?) or of recent onset. That the problem was visible across the room (so to speak) suggests it isn’t mild. If he had no edema 3 months ago and does to that degree now, makes me wonder.

That in addition to the other observations makes me believe they are hiding something.

Response to kentuck (Original post)

Orrex

(65,569 posts)
72. Good. Maybe he'll just fucking die already.
Sat Jul 19, 2025, 01:00 PM
Saturday

Suffering as much as possible along the way, of course.

AdamGG

(1,729 posts)
77. The said thing is...
Sat Jul 19, 2025, 01:12 PM
Saturday

Vance wouldn't be much better. But, without the cult of personality disorder, hopefully the Rethuglicans would be less unified.

Dave Id

(130 posts)
89. Nothing new to see here.
Sat Jul 19, 2025, 01:42 PM
Saturday

History repeating itself. Republicans hid their chosen god Ronald Reagan's alzheimer's decease from the public as long as the could get away with it. He had been falling asleep in cabinet meetings, but they kept their mouths shut.

SCantiGOP

(14,547 posts)
90. He looks and acts like a 79 year old man
Sat Jul 19, 2025, 01:42 PM
Saturday

Both he and Biden should have been ineligible, if we had a reasonable Constitutional limit on how old a candidate can be.
I had a friend who had a very important position with KPMG. They had a worldwide mandatory retirement age of 65, which applied to everyone including the CEO.
And before you label me as ageist, I am only 5 years younger than trump, and fully realize that I would not be as effective at my job as I was when I retired at 67, and certainly not as sharp as I was in my prime.

Brainfodder

(7,532 posts)
100. The weight of his -karma finally approaching a concept of a heart attack?
Sat Jul 19, 2025, 02:10 PM
Saturday

No dignity for the office whatsoever.
Treating the govt like HIS business to make $ off of for sport?

Attilatheblond

(6,721 posts)
106. It's a race between when he crashes and when the puppet masters need him out
Sat Jul 19, 2025, 02:21 PM
Saturday

They are probably almost done with him and ready with the bus they WILL throw him under, but Theil, et al, may still need a bit more time to put the last pieces of their dictatorship in place. Seems like Pam Bondi's job has been to hold him together until they are ready to crown JD, and that stress is really showing up on Bondi's face.

Dulcinea

(8,775 posts)
169. I've noticed that about Bondi too.
Sat Jul 19, 2025, 10:16 PM
Saturday

She looks like she hasn't slept in weeks. Even her hair looks tired.

CountAllVotes

(21,895 posts)
110. Lymphedema
Sat Jul 19, 2025, 02:31 PM
Saturday

This is a problem that I myself have.

It gets severe when I travel on airlines, so I cannot travel on airlines any longer.

I ended up at an ER in Hungary as a doctor that was sent to my hotel room was worried that the swelling could be hiding a blood clot in my legs.

I went to the ER in Hungary and left because I didn't know what anyone was saying. Someone wanted 300EU from me so I managed to get a cab and flew home a couple of days later.

I arrived home in poor shape and was back at the ER again.

dump should not be traveling via air. That much I can say without hesitation as it is dangerous if you have lymphedema.



FakeNoose

(37,937 posts)
122. As I understand it, the 25th Amendment must be invoked by the Vice President
Sat Jul 19, 2025, 02:52 PM
Saturday

If he's not willing, there's nothing the people/voters can do.

I hope I'm wrong about this.

Pacifist Patriot

(25,061 posts)
137. Larger hurdle than that.
Sat Jul 19, 2025, 04:27 PM
Saturday
"Whenever the Vice President and a majority of either the principal officers of the executive departments or of such other body as Congress may by law provide, transmit to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives their written declaration that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office, the Vice President shall immediately assume the powers and duties of the office as Acting President."


That "and" in the first sentence is critical. It must be the VP and a majority of the cabinet.

Here’s how it works:

Initiation: The Vice President and a majority of the Cabinet must submit a written declaration to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House stating that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of the office.

Effect: Upon this submission, the Vice President immediately assumes the powers and duties of the Acting President.

Challenge: If the President disputes the claim and declares he is able to resume his duties, he sends his own written declaration to Congress.

Resolution: If the Vice President and a majority of the Cabinet dispute the President’s declaration within 4 days, Congress must decide. A two-thirds vote in both houses is required within 21 days to keep the Vice President as Acting President.

FakeNoose

(37,937 posts)
158. Thanks for this thorough explanation!
Sat Jul 19, 2025, 06:24 PM
Saturday

The VP must call the Cabinet together to discuss and vote on the 25A invocation. They can't meet without the VP calling it. But once the meeting is called, they need at least a 51% majority to proceed to the next step... which is notifying Congress.

This was written before the internet and 24 hour news coverage.

Safe as Milk

(134 posts)
154. Here's an AI excerpt from Google:
Sat Jul 19, 2025, 05:57 PM
Saturday

The Vice President, along with a majority of the President's Cabinet (or another body designated by Congress), can declare the President unable to fulfill their duties.

themaguffin

(4,537 posts)
123. He was very ill in January of 2017. Nothing will change until it's politically safe for Rs to do something.
Sat Jul 19, 2025, 02:56 PM
Saturday

Wednesdays

(20,585 posts)
127. Not gonna happen.
Sat Jul 19, 2025, 03:06 PM
Saturday

Even in the absolute worst-case scenario, they'll prop up his carcass a la "Weekend At Bernie's."

lastlib

(26,332 posts)
138. "Donald Trump is very ill."
Sat Jul 19, 2025, 04:28 PM
Saturday

Best news I've heard today!

I truly wish him a complete non-recovery.

eppur_se_muova

(39,458 posts)
147. Positively Brezhnevian.
Sat Jul 19, 2025, 05:23 PM
Saturday

If someone were to post that on X, would MAGAts be convinced that was a flattering term ?

Response to kentuck (Original post)

writerJT

(339 posts)
162. Ah, thank you.
Sat Jul 19, 2025, 08:52 PM
Saturday

That’s still just one out of the last four weekends, unless I’ve missed others. Thanks for filling in some info.

barbtries

(30,602 posts)
149. he is demented as well,
Sat Jul 19, 2025, 05:36 PM
Saturday

not to mention a seriously damaged and malevolent, malignant narcissist. He is a nihilist.

he is on the edge of being so bad off his keepers and users and acolytes and sycophants are going to have to do something about it. seems like it never will happen, but when it does, it will seem like it happened in an instant. the only certainty is that it will happen. no one lives forever and krasnov is way closer to the end than to the beginning.

i just hope I live long enough to see it.

WiVoter

(1,372 posts)
151. I've Heard It Said That Some People
Sat Jul 19, 2025, 05:42 PM
Saturday

are so sick, they have to die to get better. So, maybe he’ll get better? I

Traildogbob

(11,518 posts)
152. He has always
Sat Jul 19, 2025, 05:43 PM
Saturday

Been a SICK son of a bitch. Now he is just old and a sick son of a bitch. And I fill certain his mother “was” a real bitch. To dump his ass on the world.

paulkienitz

(1,452 posts)
160. I'm confident they are discussing the 25th amendment in there.
Sat Jul 19, 2025, 07:01 PM
Saturday

A lot of GOP insiders have probably been itching to ditch Trump since before he was sworn in. They want a more sensible and common-sense single-party dictatorship without all the chaos and mess and financial ruin. But they're still scared of the rabid base, and the base follows him and no one else. They're desperately trying to balance the equation of whether their gains from tossing him into the Mt. Epstein volcano can balance their losses from having no one who they can depend on to rally the maga morons to support the new administration.

Trump has pushed other republicans into this same kind of dilemma many times before, and every time they've ended up concluding that they're stuck riding the Trump train all the way to the end of the line. But now, with his health failing. the track may finally be running out. And though they're very tempted, I doubt they'll change their ways... they probably won't make a move until he's actually in the hospital with a fair chance of never coming out.

flying_wahini

(8,126 posts)
178. All Trump has to do is make it thru the midterms. Then he will be GONE back to MAL.
Sun Jul 20, 2025, 11:02 AM
Sunday

That’s it. I Would bet you that he has a wheelchair in his private quarters and some portable o2 nearby,
His bruises are probably from the IV Lasix they are giving him. Probably wearing a catheter too. Keep him up and walking around without any gaffs on live TV. That’s it.

I’m thinking it’s why they are slinging all the Project 2025 wishlists out in succession so quickly.
They have the cover of the Epstein shit and the SCOTUS is still in their pocket. So they are doing it now asap. Added benefit is that they can all blame Trump when the Dems take back both Houses.


(Yes, eternal optimist here)

biocube

(115 posts)
180. With GWB I always hoped he'd be okay
Sun Jul 20, 2025, 11:05 AM
Sunday

because Cheney was so much worse.

But I can’t fathom Vance being worse than Trump. The wost case scenario is he'll just do what the so-called "tech right" donors want. That’s bad, but at least he won't throw a grenade into the global economy with senseless tariffs or threaten to invade allies.

displacedvermoter

(3,875 posts)
181. I believe he has syphilis
Sun Jul 20, 2025, 11:23 AM
Sunday

and I tell everyone I know that he does. I don't care if it is true or not, I like to tell people it is.

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