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Swede

(36,728 posts)
Sun Jul 13, 2025, 12:54 PM Sunday

Andrew Coyne is a conservative Canadian journalist, he exposes Trump to the world.

Last edited Sun Jul 13, 2025, 03:34 PM - Edit history (1)

I don't think any US journalist has written as tough (and spot-on) a portrayal of the threat facing us as this Canadian, Andrew Coyne of the Toronto Globe and Mail.

-snip-
Nothing mattered, in the end. Not the probable dementia, the unfathomable ignorance, the emotional incontinence; not, certainly, the shambling, hate-filled campaign, or the ludicrously unworkable anti-policies.
The candidate out on bail in four jurisdictions, the convicted fraud artist, the adjudicated rapist and serial sexual predator, the habitual bankrupt, the stooge of Vladimir Putin, the man who tried to overturn the last election and all of his creepy retinue of crooks, ideologues and lunatics: Americans took a long look at all this and said, yes please.
There is no sense in understating the depth of the disaster. This is a crisis like no other in our lifetimes. The government of the United States has been delivered into the hands of a gangster, whose sole purpose in running, besides staying out of jail, is to seek revenge on his enemies. The damage Donald Trump and his nihilist cronies can do – to America, but also to its democratic allies, and to the peace and security of the world – is incalculable. We are living in the time of Nero.

Swede here, I added the archive link, thanks to SouthBayDem.

https://web.archive.org/web/20250401092652/https://www.theglobeandmail.com/opinion/article-trumps-election-is-a-crisis-like-no-other-not-only-for-the-us-but-the/


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Andrew Coyne is a conservative Canadian journalist, he exposes Trump to the world. (Original Post) Swede Sunday OP
Prejudice and ignorance won over the side that voted for him. Baitball Blogger Sunday #1
Thanks, first, to Putin; then, to Musk. Kid Berwyn Sunday #2
Great summary dalton99a Sunday #3
Thanks for that additional text. I was hoping to read more of Coyne's very fine words. erronis Sunday #9
Warm up.... MarcoZandrini Sunday #21
So sad bdamomma Monday #39
WOW, a spot on analysis! RedWhiteBlueIsRacist Sunday #4
Nothing to add. Boomerproud Sunday #5
Character OMGWTF Sunday #23
Sadly, the hate part of the "hate-filled campaign" was a feature, not a bug. RandomNumbers Sunday #6
One million times yes ... spot on Greywing Sunday #10
Agreed. Dr. T Sunday #31
Been saying this for 10 years now Cosmocat Monday #35
Excellent malaise Sunday #7
Says it all.. mountain grammy Sunday #8
Well-written. Martin68 Sunday #11
Andrew Coyne's words made me stop in my tracks. democrank Sunday #12
So accurate and terrifying at the same time. yobrault1 Sunday #13
And Caligula. Both met bloody, ignominious ends. Hoping the same applies to Donnie. paleotn Sunday #14
still true...and becoming "truer"... xocetaceans Sunday #15
link without paywall SouthBayDem Sunday #18
Can't argue with any of it...nt Wounded Bear Sunday #16
Original source of the Coyne article (non facebook link) SouthBayDem Sunday #17
Thanks, I'll add that to the OP Swede Sunday #20
Kick BadgerMom Sunday #19
Powerful words. sop Sunday #22
I still believe that it was stolen from Kamala. OMGWTF Sunday #24
I've long thought so, and expressed suspicions, but have been scolded for being conspiratorial. sop Sunday #26
It was depressing enough the first time. 3catwoman3 Sunday #29
Yes, Millions believed the Lies and some didn't care.. Cha Sunday #25
The billionaires will go to any lengths to avoid any responsibility or accountability dlk Sunday #27
I will be adding "emotional incontinence" to my vocabulary. 3catwoman3 Sunday #28
And through rightwing media, Republican voters had been primed for decades to hate and distrust Democrats... Beartracks Sunday #30
This is the the root cause Cosmocat Monday #36
Pretty flaky behavior at that Web site, hard to navigate. Here's the link, a trick, and good luck! eppur_se_muova Sunday #32
needs to be shouted from the MT tops markie Sunday #33
Wow........there are a lot of DENVERPOPS Sunday #34
I wish this part was played out loud from every rooftop in this country. OldBaldy1701E Monday #37
I kind of wish I could recommend this post a few more times. NNadir Monday #38
The only thing missing? Q.E.D. Moostache Monday #40
k and r BoRaGard Monday #41

Kid Berwyn

(21,227 posts)
2. Thanks, first, to Putin; then, to Musk.
Sun Jul 13, 2025, 01:17 PM
Sunday
"The government of the United States has been delivered into the hands of a gangster, whose sole purpose in running, besides staying out of jail, is to seek revenge on his enemies."

Number 1 Enemy of Trump: We the People.

dalton99a

(89,376 posts)
3. Great summary
Sun Jul 13, 2025, 01:18 PM
Sunday
>>Nothing mattered, in the end. Not the probable dementia, the unfathomable ignorance, the emotional incontinence; not, certainly, the shambling, hate-filled campaign, or the ludicrously unworkable anti-policies.

The candidate out on bail in four jurisdictions, the convicted fraud artist, the adjudicated rapist and serial sexual predator, the habitual bankrupt, the stooge of Vladimir Putin, the man who tried to overturn the last election and all of his creepy retinue of crooks, ideologues and lunatics: Americans took a long look at all this and said, yes please.

There is no sense in understating the depth of the disaster. This is a crisis like no other in our lifetimes. The government of the United States has been delivered into the hands of a gangster, whose sole purpose in running, besides staying out of jail, is to seek revenge on his enemies. The damage Donald Trump and his nihilist cronies can do – to America, but also to its democratic allies, and to the peace and security of the world – is incalculable. We are living in the time of Nero.

The first six months will be a time of maximum peril. NATO must from this moment be considered effectively obsolete, without the American security guarantee that has always been its bedrock. We may see new incursions by Russia into Europe – the poor Ukrainians are probably done for, but now it is the Baltics and the Poles who must worry – before the Europeans have time to organize an alternative. China may also accelerate its Taiwanese ambitions.

At home, Mr. Trump will be moving swiftly to consolidate his power. Some of this will be institutional – the replacement of tens of thousands of career civil servants with Trumpian loyalists. But some of it will be … atmospheric.

At some point someone – a company whose chief executive has displeased him, a media critic who has gotten under his skin – will find themselves the subject of unwanted attention from the Trump administration. It might not be so crude as a police arrest. It might just be a little regulatory matter, a tax audit, something like that. They will seek the protection of the courts, and find it is not there.

The judges are also Trump loyalists, perhaps, or too scared to confront him. Or they might issue a ruling, and find it has no effect – that the administration has called the basic bluff of liberal democracy: the idea that, in the crunch, people in power agree to be bound by the law, and by its instruments the courts, the same as everyone else. Then everyone will take their cue. Executives will line up to court him. Media organizations, the large ones anyway, will find reasons to be cheerful.

Of course, in reality things will start to fall apart fairly quickly. The huge across-the-board tariffs he imposes will tank the world economy. The massive deficits, fueled by his ill-judged tax policies – he won’t replace the income tax, as he promised, but will fill it with holes – and monetized, at his direction, by the Federal Reserve, will ignite a new round of inflation.

Most of all, the insane project of deporting 12 million undocumented immigrants – finding them, rounding them up and detaining them in hundreds of internment camps around the country, probably for years, before doing so – will consume his administration. But by then it will be too late.

We should not count upon the majority of Americans coming to their senses in any event. They were not able to see Mr. Trump for what he was before: why should that change? Would they not, rather, be further coarsened by the experience of seeing their neighbours dragged off by the police, or the military, further steeled to the necessity of doing “tough things” to “restore order?”

Some won’t, of course. But they will find in time that the democratic levers they might once have pulled to demand change are no longer attached to anything. There are still elections, but the rules have been altered: there are certain obstacles, certain disadvantages if you are not with the party of power. It will seem easier at first to try to change things from within. Then it will be easier not to change things.

All of this will wash over Canada in various ways – some predictable, like the flood of refugees seeking escape from the camps; some less so, like the coarsening of our own politics, the debasement of morals and norms by politicians who have discovered there is no political price to be paid for it. And who will have the backing of their patron in Washington.

All my life I have been an admirer of the United States and its people. But I am frightened of it now, and I am even more frightened of them.

bdamomma

(68,786 posts)
39. So sad
Mon Jul 14, 2025, 11:13 AM
Monday

this has happened to us. So Hungary has Orban, Russia has Putin (who got us), Israel has Netanyahu, and we have a damaged dangerous POS. All of them are CRIMINALS, who should be in a prison cell.

What's the saying "Never again".

Boomerproud

(8,858 posts)
5. Nothing to add.
Sun Jul 13, 2025, 01:26 PM
Sunday

He put the blame squarely where it belongs, on the dark side of the American character. Over and out.

OMGWTF

(4,839 posts)
23. Character
Sun Jul 13, 2025, 04:16 PM
Sunday

“It was miraculous. It was almost no trick at all, he saw, to turn vice into virtue and slander into truth, impotence into abstinence, arrogance into humility, plunder into philanthropy, thievery into honor, blasphemy into wisdom, brutality into patriotism, and sadism into justice. Anybody could do it; it required no brains at all. It merely required no character.”

― Joseph Heller, Catch-22

RandomNumbers

(18,777 posts)
6. Sadly, the hate part of the "hate-filled campaign" was a feature, not a bug.
Sun Jul 13, 2025, 01:40 PM
Sunday

Trump is a problem, but he is not THE problem.

THE problem is the millions who thought he would be good or at least "okay" as President of the US.

democrank

(11,638 posts)
12. Andrew Coyne's words made me stop in my tracks.
Sun Jul 13, 2025, 02:14 PM
Sunday

Although he is frightened by the United States, he’s more frightened of the people. Think about that.

xocetaceans

(4,221 posts)
15. still true...and becoming "truer"...
Sun Jul 13, 2025, 02:52 PM
Sunday
Trump’s election is a crisis like no other, not only for the U.S. but the world
Andrew Coyne

Published November 6, 2024

...

We should not count upon the majority of Americans coming to their senses in any event. They were not able to see Mr. Trump for what he was before: why should that change? Would they not, rather, be further coarsened by the experience of seeing their neighbours dragged off by the police, or the military, further steeled to the necessity of doing “tough things” to “restore order?”

...

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/opinion/article-trumps-election-is-a-crisis-like-no-other-not-only-for-the-us-but-the/


There is no point in pretending that the MAGA GOP worldview is wide enough to allow them to see injustices for what they are. So, they will not see nearly anything that Trump is doing as problematic. To them, he is a means to their ends. He is their ersatz-Jesus.

Therefore, a large part of the MAGA GOP still thinks that things are proceeding swimmingly with his "second coming". They think that the "snowflakes" are being put in line. So, it would be unwise to pretend that they will be affected enough personally by any of the consequences of Trump's actions to have their opinions altered substantively.

They might feel a little discomfort or twinge of conscience on occasion but that will not alter their beliefs that "Daddy's home" and that things are being put right. They really don't care.

As an example, just look at the number of thugs that have signed on to be part of whatever group is doing the deportation kidnappings. They clearly do not care for the rule of law: if they did they would have no problem showing their faces and presenting their identities clearly for all to see. Proper law enforcement is transparent and accountable. What is happening now is neither of those things.

sop

(15,156 posts)
22. Powerful words.
Sun Jul 13, 2025, 03:39 PM
Sunday

I find it deeply depressing Americans elected Trump for a second time knowing what he stands for.

OMGWTF

(4,839 posts)
24. I still believe that it was stolen from Kamala.
Sun Jul 13, 2025, 04:27 PM
Sunday

There is an election interference lawsuit in Rockland County, NY that is in the discovery phase with a September trial date. There are areas of NY where Kirsten Gillibrand won in a landslide, but Kamala got ZERO votes. The math ain't mathin'.

T💩p and Eloon told on themselves numerous times, i.e., "We don't even need your vote, you'll never have to vote again, and Eloon has the magic computer." Then there's Eloon wondering out loud on TV how much prison time he'd get if T💩p didn't win. How come Eloon knew the results before anyone else? Eloon recently said that if he didn't help T💩p win, Kamala would be president, the Dems would control the House, and the Rethuglicans would hold the Senate by ONE vote.

If we can prove that Kamala actually won, it would go a helluva long way to redeem ourselves in the eyes of the world.

sop

(15,156 posts)
26. I've long thought so, and expressed suspicions, but have been scolded for being conspiratorial.
Sun Jul 13, 2025, 05:33 PM
Sunday

3catwoman3

(27,132 posts)
29. It was depressing enough the first time.
Sun Jul 13, 2025, 06:00 PM
Sunday

Blood-chillingly horrifying the second time.

Cha

(312,974 posts)
25. Yes, Millions believed the Lies and some didn't care..
Sun Jul 13, 2025, 05:14 PM
Sunday

including the Smirky little billionaire techs who Sold Out their Country for More Billions! Can Never have Enough.

You cannot make this shit UP.

The "attempts at consolidating power" have to be blown to Smithereens by any means possible.

Mahalo for Anrew Coyne, Swede Priceless

dlk

(12,768 posts)
27. The billionaires will go to any lengths to avoid any responsibility or accountability
Sun Jul 13, 2025, 05:51 PM
Sunday

Even if it means destroying America.

Beartracks

(13,991 posts)
30. And through rightwing media, Republican voters had been primed for decades to hate and distrust Democrats...
Sun Jul 13, 2025, 06:00 PM
Sunday

... so that when the convicted fraud artist, adjudicated rapist, serial sexual predator, stooge of Putin who tried to overturn the 2020 election ran on the Republican ticket, most of them pulled the lever for him without a second thought.

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Cosmocat

(15,200 posts)
36. This is the the root cause
Mon Jul 14, 2025, 06:50 AM
Monday

Saw this coming since I was a young adult in the 90s. The evil liberal boogyman justifies all of it.

eppur_se_muova

(39,408 posts)
32. Pretty flaky behavior at that Web site, hard to navigate. Here's the link, a trick, and good luck!
Sun Jul 13, 2025, 08:16 PM
Sunday
https://web.archive.org/web/20250401092652/https://www.theglobeandmail.com/opinion/article-trumps-election-is-a-crisis-like-no-other-not-only-for-the-us-but-the/

I had to hit the "stop loading" (toggles with "reload" ) button to keep the text from disappearing shortly after it appeared.


Other articles from same period: https://web.archive.org/web/20241115175819/https://www.theglobeandmail.com/authors/andrew-coyne/



ETA: Compare the Charlie Sykes quote in my sig line ! Here's the full opinion piece: https://charliesykes.substack.com/p/this-is-us

markie

(23,495 posts)
33. needs to be shouted from the MT tops
Sun Jul 13, 2025, 09:06 PM
Sunday

"The damage Donald Trump and his nihilist cronies can do – to America, but also to its democratic allies, and to the peace and security of the world – is incalculable."

DENVERPOPS

(12,987 posts)
34. Wow........there are a lot of
Sun Jul 13, 2025, 10:57 PM
Sunday

Republican Politicians, Republican Media, Republican zillionaires, Republican Corporations, and the entire Trump CABAL literally shitting bricks right now.........

It will be a miracle if they can do Damage Control this time around..............

OldBaldy1701E

(8,339 posts)
37. I wish this part was played out loud from every rooftop in this country.
Mon Jul 14, 2025, 07:54 AM
Monday
But they will find in time that the democratic levers they might once have pulled to demand change are no longer attached to anything. There are still elections, but the rules have been altered: there are certain obstacles, certain disadvantages if you are not with the party of power. It will seem easier at first to try to change things from within. Then it will be easier not to change things.


This is where we are. No amount of rose-colored glasses wearing is going to alter this.

Will we understand it in time?
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