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(79,818 posts)Or is it just another sick judicial joke.
Johonny
(25,464 posts)It is probably a nightmare for costumes agents. As there are certain legal congress passed tariffs etc which one assumes wouldn't be blocked and of course we can assume agents will be told to break the law.
Irish_Dem
(79,818 posts)And easy to fire all custom agents who do not comply.
DemocratSinceBirth
(101,644 posts)That's why he went around them.
Irish_Dem
(79,818 posts)Past behavior is the best predictor of future behavior.
We have no data to suggest congress will grow a spine and do the right thing.
tritsofme
(19,797 posts)Never bet against Congress failing to do something.
BaronChocula
(4,031 posts)Unless they repeal and rescind healthy policy.
Irish_Dem
(79,818 posts)videohead5
(2,873 posts)Reconciliation, it would face a filibuster in the Senate.
Easterncedar
(5,530 posts)markodochartaigh
(5,029 posts)Those old school rules are only for Democratic issues now.
https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2025/05/republicans-kill-filibuster-senate-trump.html
markodochartaigh
(5,029 posts)will probably go along, especially when Trump's billionaire's boys club threatens to primary them. But the silver lining is that if they do go along with these stupid tariffs and it tanks the economy the Democratic politicians can hammer this over and over as the Republican recession. The Republican third won't understand or care, but it may wake up some in the ignorant and apathetic middle.
Irish_Dem
(79,818 posts)ShazzieB
(22,214 posts)Or at least they care more about their ability to get reelected than anything else. They're all individuals, and I think some of them do care about about what their voters think to some degree (or at least started out that way), but too many seem to have forgotten that their job is actually supposed to be representing the needs of their constituents. (Example: voting for Medicaid cuts when they know that X% of their constituents rely on Medicaid to survive.)
Right now, their priorities are completely messed up. They're not just failing to take a stand for some very important things; they're actively doing the reverse by voting to pass things like the above-mentioned Medicaid cuts that are bound to harm some of their voters. I think most of them are in survival mode and are doing what Schlump wants, even in cases where they disagree with him, because they're so deathly afraid that he'll get them primaried and cause them to lose their seats to whatever challenger he endorses. It's pretty pathetic.
I also don't think we should discount the possibility of threats on their lives and the safety of their families. But either way, it's a sad situation.
Irish_Dem
(79,818 posts)Some of them spout Putin/Russian talking points all the time.
Some of them seem to mysteriously win elections. Or their primary and full election opponents seem to run into bad luck.
fujiyamasan
(1,227 posts)And the tariffs arent particularly popular in swing districts or even in red districts, especially those heavily dependent on agricultural exports.
Trumps earlier strength on the economy started to recede after his tariffs caused a lot market chaos. This trade court ruling could save a few of these reps. It gives them cover both from not having to defy Trump and well, not doing anything. Thats something theyre really good at.
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pat_k
(12,665 posts)If higher court decisions affirm the trade court's, you can bet that he will be demanding they grant him unlimited tariff authority in the MAGA Murder Budget.
Another complication for Thune and Johnson, but arms will be twisted.
The only thing that could save us is a serious show of opposition from the public.
They need to be more frightened of their voters sending them packing then they are of the threat of a primary challenge financed by unlimited funds from his enforcer Musk. (And if his enforcer is actually breaking ranks on this, that could seriously erode 47's hold on some of the sycophants. )
Johonny
(25,464 posts)The other problem with 140% tariffs. At some point it is easier to bribe the official than pay the tariff. And in an environment where white collar crime is being pardoned left an right . . .
Trump is creating an environment that invites open corruption and we should expect open corruption and fraud.
Irish_Dem
(79,818 posts)A well known story about Russia:
A Russian military officer finds out that one of his men has been stealing and selling all the tires off the jeeps.
The officer beats the man almost to death.
Not because he was stealing tires, but because the officer didn't get a cut of the theft proceeds.
Trump is making sure crime pays, he is openly corrupt and yes it will quickly become the norm.
Bluetus
(2,300 posts)That is the only legal way short of a national emergency from an invasion.
If Trump has to get legislation passed, he won't be able to jack the markets around daily.
pat_k
(12,665 posts)On edit: Actually, I'm guessing 47 will try to skip over the Fed. Cir and file another emergency motion to SCOTUS.
Per Wikipedia:
FWIW, no Trump appointees on this court
United States Court of Appeals for the Federal
Kimberly A. Moore, Chief Circuit Judge (Reagan)
Pauline Newman, Circuit Judge (Reagan)
Haldane Robert Mayer, Circuit Judge (Reagan)
S. Jay Plager, Circuit Judge (H.W. Bush)
Alan D. Lourie, Circuit Judge (H.W. Bush)
Raymond C. Clevenger, III, Circuit Judge (H.W. Bush)
Alvin A. Schall, Circuit Judge (H.W. Bush)
William C. Bryson, Circuit Judge (Clinton)
Richard Linn, Circuit Judge (Clinton)
Timothy B. Dyk, Circuit Judge (Clinton)
Sharon Prost, Circuit Judge (G.W. Bush)
Jimmie V. Reyna, Circuit Judge (Obama)
Evan J. Wallach, Circuit Judge (Obama)
Richard G. Taranto, Circuit Judge (Obama)
Raymond T. Chen, Circuit Judge (Obama)
Todd M. Hughes, Circuit Judge (Obama)
Kara F. Stoll, Circuit Judge (Obama)
Tiffany P. Cunningham, Circuit Judge (Biden)
Leonard P. Stark, Circuit Judge (Biden)
Irish_Dem
(79,818 posts)They are probably the only court that DOES have the power to say that what he is doing isnt legal under the normal exercise of the law. Its not an emergency.
SheltieLover
(76,806 posts)Who knows, this one might even come with a limp dick finger wag & a sternly worded warning.
LetMyPeopleVote
(174,961 posts)

SheltieLover
(76,806 posts)erronis
(22,660 posts)SheltieLover
(76,806 posts)LetMyPeopleVote
(174,961 posts)This will be fun to watch. trump has no statutory authority to impose tariffs
Federal court says Trump doesnât have the power to impose tariffs unilaterally
— (@surajworld.bsky.social) 2025-05-28T23:27:07Z
A federal court has determined that President Donald Trump does not have the authority to unilaterally impose tariffs, dealing a sweeping blow to the president's main weapon in his ongoing global trade war. A panel ofâ¦
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/federal-court-trump-power-impose-tariffs-unilaterally/story

A panel of judges on the U.S. Court of International Trade found the tariffs were unlawful and permanently vacated them.
Since Trump announced sweeping tariffs on more than 50 countries in April, his administration has faced half a dozen lawsuits challenging the president's ability to impose tariffs without the approval of Congress.
The Court of International Trade issued its ruling in a case brought by a group of five small businesses who argued that Trump's tariffs are an "unprecedented power grab."
Lawyers for the small businesses alleged that the International Emergency Economic Powers Act -- which Trump invoked to impose the tariffs -- does not give the president the right to issue "across-the-board worldwide tariffs," and that Trump's justification for the tariffs was invalid.
SheltieLover
(76,806 posts)Fiendish Thingy
(22,049 posts)Other tariffs imposed outside the so-called fentynal emergency are not affected by this ruling,
NJCher
(42,475 posts)can you give us some examples of such tariffs outside this act?
Silent Type
(12,412 posts)has been using to levy tariffs as Prez. In other words, Congress hasnt given him authority to levy tariffs without Congress in this situation.
The 3 judges were appointed by Reagan, Obama, and trump.
Im sure trump will run around for years claiming the courts stopped him from making Americans rich if decision holds. Fingers crossed.
waterwatcher123
(462 posts)"The United States Court of International Trade, established under Article III of the Constitution, has nationwide jurisdiction over civil actions arising out of the customs and international trade laws of the United States."
"The judges, who are appointed for life, as are all judges of Article III courts, may be designated and assigned temporarily by the Chief Justice of the United States to perform judicial duties in a United States Court of Appeals or a United States District Court."
(https://www.cit.uscourts.gov/about-court)
ancianita
(42,896 posts)ancianita
(42,896 posts)https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Court_of_International_Trade
a kennedy
(35,300 posts)and just read today smoking weed is just about as bad as smoking tobacco. Gawd damn it
...I quit smoking tobacco on 5-2-10. I thought I could smoke some weed until I die. Im gonna be 75 on Sept 12. Gawd damn it
I hate it here. I hate what this Country has become
.i absolutely HATE WHAT I HAVE BECOME. HELP, HELP, HELP. Most of all Ive said, and Ive said it a bazillion times before
I TOTALLY AND ABSOLUTELY DESPISE the orange piece of shit AND ALL THE GAWD DAMN MAGA, REPUBLICANS who have let him do this to our DEMOCRACY!!!
🤬.
🤬.
🤬.
erronis
(22,660 posts)Several of us are ahead of you doing what we do.
If we can, stick it to "the man". And we all know who we mean.
NJCher
(42,475 posts)and tune into the Scripps National Spelling Bee. It's such a joy to see intelligent life, especially coming from middle schoolers. That's what I'm doing tonight, anyway.
This decision, however, is the high point of my day and I've had a pretty good day!
Thanks to DemocratSinceBirth for bringing us this happy news.
elleng
(141,926 posts)Discussed on MSNBC now.
orangecrush
(28,386 posts)NJCher
(42,475 posts)I was just thinking the same.
And that I don't want to be the one to wander into the swamp known as "truth" social to copy and paste the mispelled, all-caps meltdown.
Someone with larger wading boots than I, please?
orangecrush
(28,386 posts)Initech
(107,435 posts)🚨🚨🚨🚨🚨🚨
orangecrush
(28,386 posts)Doodley
(11,635 posts)by the headteacher. His clowns will appeal, but he has been completely undermined and humiliated. Get ready for the meltdown of all meltdowns.
malaise
(292,802 posts)Too good
bucolic_frolic
(54,049 posts)Would someone please ring SCOTUS? TIA
Initech
(107,435 posts)fujiyamasan
(1,227 posts)Could be a Green Day tomorrow.
Pas-de-Calais
(10,253 posts)Appeal already goes out
Totally Tunsie
(11,576 posts)in 3...2...1.
"Hello, McDonald's. Gimme 6 hamburders with LOTS of extra ketchup STAT!"
JohnSJ
(98,883 posts)No doubt the sociopath is also going to try to get congress to give him the power, try to use another tool, and he may go as far as ignore the ruling.
"This ruling represents a setback for the administrations tariff plans and increases uncertainty but might not change the final outcome for most major US trading partners, chief US political economist Alec Phillips wrote. For now, we expect the Trump administration will find other ways to impose tariffs.
The alternatives include the use of Section 232 levies, referring to the charges on steel, aluminum and auto imports on national security grounds. If all the pending investigations result in 25% tariffs and are added to current levies under the section, that would add 7.6 percentage points alone, they said.
The trade court in Manhattan, siding with a group of small businesses and Democratic-led states, ruled on Wednesday that Trump wrongfully used an emergency law to impose tariffs on global trading partners. A panel of three judges gave Trumps team 10 days to halt tariff collection in a decision that the White House has already appealed."
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2025-05-29/trump-can-offset-tariff-ruling-with-other-tools-goldman-says?srnd=homepage-americas
sl8
(16,993 posts)The court was not asked to address some industry-specific tariffs Trump has issued on automobiles, steel and aluminum, using a different statute.
https://apnews.com/article/trump-tariffs-trade-court-0392dbd59f548e49ad4f64254ae3f94a
The Worldwide and Retaliatory Tariff Orders exceed any authority granted to the President by IEEPA to regulate importation by means of tariffs, the court wrote, referring to the 1977 International Emergency Economic Powers Act.
The ruling left in place any tariffs that Trump put in place using his Section 232 powers from the Trade Expansion Act of 1962. He put a 25% tax on most imported autos and parts, as well as on all foreign-made steel and aluminum. Those tariffs depend on a Commerce Department investigation that reveals national security risks from imported products.
Greg_In_SF
(887 posts)during appeal.
uponit7771
(93,491 posts)LetMyPeopleVote
(174,961 posts)trump's attorneys had to make the legal commitment to refund all tariffs in order to get a stay of the rulings on trump's tariffs. The court of appeals issued the stay of the two injunctions based on the agreement by the trump administration to refund all tariffs if the ruling of these two courts are upheld on appeal.
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