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gab13by13

(28,270 posts)
Wed May 28, 2025, 08:14 AM Wednesday

What Caused Our Immigration "Crisis - What Is The Cure?

The cure to stop illegal immigration is to prosecute employers who hire undocumented people at sub-standard wages.

Our immigration crisis was caused by greed, by people who could afford to pay workers a decent wage.

ICE, DHS, HSI, Prince's thugs, should be arresting employers and once there are no more jobs for undocumented workers, they will stop coming or Congress will create a pathway for them to work here.

Employers make out like bandits, sub-par wages and no benefits. Take away undocumented workers at meat packing plants, farms, hotels, construction and there will be screams to high heaven for Congress to come up with a comprehensive immigration program.

Krasnov hired undocumented workers, he hired a crew that traveled between his properties, probably still uses those workers. ICE should raid Krasnov properties and if it finds illegal workers, arrest Krasnov.

That poor dairy farmer in Vermont who was crying in the news lately should be arrested.

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What Caused Our Immigration "Crisis - What Is The Cure? (Original Post) gab13by13 Wednesday OP
Agreed, that would be a "cure" MichMan Wednesday #1
Blaming victums WmChris Wednesday #2
The employers are victims? MichMan Wednesday #3
NO WmChris Wednesday #6
This is 100% the correct take k_buddy762 Wednesday #4
Do We Want RobinA Wednesday #10
root cause? in large part we caused it... ret5hd Wednesday #5
Funny how *nobody* talks about the employers, huh? Fiendish Thingy Wednesday #7
Media hype and Congressional repubs blocking meaningful legislation to fix it... Wounded Bear Wednesday #8
Workers who have been here for years should be given legal status Brenda Wednesday #9

MichMan

(15,190 posts)
1. Agreed, that would be a "cure"
Wed May 28, 2025, 08:36 AM
Wednesday

Once employers realize they are facing severe consequences for hiring undocumented workers, they will fire them immediately or risk jail. In fact, they would likely fire anyone who they suspected might be illegal and using fraudulent documents.

Doing so would result in workers (some here for decades) being unemployable. They will either decide to self deport or risk poverty, homelessness and hunger for their families.

That would also level the playing field for those employers who are following the rules by paying those here legally, decent wages, benefits, and paying unemployment, workman's comp & payroll taxes while trying to compete with those who aren't.

WmChris

(327 posts)
2. Blaming victums
Wed May 28, 2025, 08:42 AM
Wednesday

The government is allowing the employers to use the system to treat immigrants trying to feed their families as a cheap disposable workforce. They don't dare complain about working conditions, safety, or report injuries. They're constantly living in fear of being exposed to deportation by the very bosses who are exploiting their abilities.

WmChris

(327 posts)
6. NO
Wed May 28, 2025, 09:14 AM
Wednesday

The indentured slaves are the victums. The government allows the employers to abuse the cheap disposable workforce.

k_buddy762

(303 posts)
4. This is 100% the correct take
Wed May 28, 2025, 08:50 AM
Wednesday

Bankrupt Tyson Chicken with heavy fines and threaten the CEO with prison (ie make an example out of a large company known to be violating federal immigration law). Once this nation removes the incentives, the flow will stop on its own.

ret5hd

(21,428 posts)
5. root cause? in large part we caused it...
Wed May 28, 2025, 08:53 AM
Wednesday

by exploiting their countries, overthrowing their governments, extracting their wealth…all in service to the enrichment of u.s. companies. hell, we will kill priests and nuns serving the poor to get that sweet sweet lucre.

Fiendish Thingy

(19,399 posts)
7. Funny how *nobody* talks about the employers, huh?
Wed May 28, 2025, 09:52 AM
Wednesday

I mean, there has been some discussion around undocumented workers who use false SS#’s to get hired, but IIRC, there is software or was a government system available to vet these numbers, but of course, it was voluntary, with no penalties for taking the worker’s word for it.

Otherwise, the media is largely silent, and the politicians of both parties seem to have duct tape over their mouths on this issue.

Brenda

(1,603 posts)
9. Workers who have been here for years should be given legal status
Wed May 28, 2025, 10:29 AM
Wednesday

And fair pay. Not kidnapped and sent to prisons in other countries.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/may/28/farmworkers-h-2a-trump-agriculture

Trump has no plan for who will grow US food: ‘There is just flat out nobody to work’

On the other hand, Trump’s power depends on a coalition that includes agricultural communities, who voted for him at almost 80% in 2024, according to Investigate Midwest, a journalism non-profit. Agribusiness also donated more than $24m to his re-election. Farm groups insist US citizens are unwilling to do the arduous labor and that eliminating H-2A workers could collapse the food system. They generally advocate for loosening regulations for H-2A workers, like reducing wage and housing requirements. Trump heeded their calls before. In 2019, his Department of Labor unsuccessfully proposed removing some regulations on the H-2A.


“It’s very clear to us that the deportation of undocumented workers is to clear the field for bringing in H-2A workers instead of having these farm worker families that are part of our community now for over 20 years and providing them [legal] status to continue being productive community members,” said Rosalinda Guillen, a farm union leader in Washington state who grew up in the fields and founded Community to Community, a local non-profit. “Everybody in this country is an immigrant and has had the opportunity to build community and root themselves and all of a sudden the families that came here from Mexico don’t?”

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