Is the Senate GOP pulling a "Lucy with the football" on us?

[CatWoman]

so far several of them are denouncing the "big beautiful bill" and voicing their intent not to vote for it:

Rand Paul (i know, right?)
Lisa Murkowski
Ron Johnson
Josh Hawley
Susan Collins
Jerry Moran

GOP senators are calling for a rewrite of the bill to address concerns ranging from Medicaid reforms and the phaseout of clean energy incentives to the sale of government-owned spectrum bands and the bill’s projected impact on the federal debt.

Kentucky Sen. Rand Paul (R) immediately announced his opposition to the House-passed bill Thursday, vowing to vote against it unless Senate Republican leaders remove a provision to raise the federal debt limit by $4 trillion over the next two years.

“We’ve never, ever voted to raise the debt ceiling this much. It’ll be a historic increase. I think it’s not good for conservatives to be on the record supporting a $4 trillion or $5 trillion increase in the debt ceiling,” he said.

“The anticipated deficits per year now will be $2 trillion a year for the next two years,” he added. “It’s not conservative; I can’t support it.”

Sen. Ron Johnson (R-Wis.), an outspoken fiscal hawk, said Thursday that there are four Senate Republican conservatives who will vote against the House bill as currently drafted, which would be enough to sink the bill if there is full attendance.

“There should be a goal of this Republican Senate budget resolution to reduce the deficit, not increase it. We’re increasing it. It’s a nonstarter from my standpoint,” he said.

A group of Senate Republicans concerned about Medicaid reforms pose another major obstacle to the bill. This group includes Sens. Josh Hawley (R-Mo.), Susan Collins (R-Maine), Lisa Murkowski (R-Alaska) and Jerry Moran (R-Kan.).


https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/5315185-trump-big-beautiful-bill-senate-gop/

[msongs]

1. they are not bothered by the bits making trump dictator and congress irrelevant nt

[PSPS]

5. Yeah, they never want to mention that pesky "neuter the judicial branch" clause.

The parliamentarian said it couldn't be there, since it has nothing to do with the budget. But, apparently, parliamentarian decisions have been deemed only "advisory" and they voted to ignore it.

[pandr32]

2. They had better hold tight.

Susan Collins, though. She has noodle legs.
The Republican reps who caved on the House vote reportedly received threats to their families. This is serious mob shit.

[PJMcK]

3. Forget the analogy

You absolutely KNOW the GOP Senate will pass the bill.

After all, the accepted almost all of Trump's cabinet picks including Hegseth, Bondi and Gabbard.

We'll see what new hell happens this summer.

[Wiz Imp]

9. They will pass "A" bill

They will NOT pass the bill that the House passed without making significant changes to it. They'll eventually agree to something which will get the necessary 50 votes. But no way Paul & Johnson vote for it unless there are significantly greater spending cuts.

So it remains to be seen what kind of balance the can strike to get the necessary votes. I expect that they will just write off Paul and Johnson as un-gettable and try to come up something that everybody else can put up with. I think there are definitely a lot more Republicans in the Senate who would be uncomfortable with making the kind of cuts Paul & Johnson want (not to mention probable opposition in the house). Despite occasional screaming about it, pretty much everyone else in the Senate will have no problem agreeing to raise the deficit and the debt ceiling significantly. The only thing they all agree upon is that the #1 priority is the tax cuts for billionaires.

[brush]

4. Hope it happens. The House and Speaker Johnson are cowed by trump.

Maybe the senators will do better. Of course Susan Collins will voice her concern until someone tells her when to toe the line.

[H2O Man]

6. Recommended.

I think that they will vote against it, for a few reasons. First, they know it is cruel, unethical, and immoral. Second, they know the voting public recognizes that it is cruel, unethical, and immoral.

In normal times -- whatever is "normal" -- they would express some very sincere concerns, but vote for it. Yet though they inhabit the Senate, they know if they vote "yeah," the House becomes very Democratic in the 2016 elections, and the Senate could face serious challenges.

[Bok_Tukalo]

7. The question is which 3 get a pass

Collins and Tillis are 2 of the 3 in my opinion.

[W_HAMILTON]

8. I don't know why people continue to think Republicans will ever do the right thing.

I remember some saying that because they held rallies in blue dots in red states that the Republicans were "on their back foot" and hearing so much from their constituents that didn't want them to cut Medicaid that they were going to vote against the bill -- yeah, that didn't happen.

The Senate will pass Trump's bill, one way or the other.

[Wiz Imp]

11. They will pass "A" bill, but it will have significant changes from the bill the House passed

It remains to be seen what changes they will have to make to get the 50 votes they need.

[Scrivener7]

10. Yes. They are.

[Wiz Imp]

12. I think they will try to make some token adjustments to the medicaid provisions

to get the group of Senators who object on that basis onboard. I think they will write off Ron Johnson's & Rand Paul's votes because they're the only 2 screaming about the deficit and debt ceiling. Despite pretending to care when a Democrat is in the White House, the rest of the Republican party doesn't give a damn how much the deficit and debt ceiling need to be increased as long as the billionaires get their tax cuts.

[SSJVegeta]

13. From most likely to least likely to actuallly oppose the current form:

Murkowski
Collins
Paul
Hawley
Moran
Johnson

Maybe Moran Johnson are interchangeable tho.

[Clouds Passing]

14. Hey Luuuuucy.........

[Efilroft Sul]

15. When it comes time to put on the kneepads and hoover up some mushroom, they'll vote for it.

[republianmushroom]

16. Yup, every one will vote for the bill in time, just posturing for votes.