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Dennis Donovan

(31,059 posts)
Sun May 18, 2025, 12:28 PM May 18

NBC news: FBI links California fertility clinic bombing to anti-natalist ideology

NBC news - FBI links California fertility clinic bombing to anti-natalist ideology

The attack left one dead on Saturday and injured four others.

May 18, 2025, 11:29 AM EDT / Updated May 18, 2025, 12:15 PM EDT
By Tom Winter, Jonathan Dienst, Andrew Blankstein and Viola Flowers

The car bombing outside a California fertility clinic that killed one person and injured four others appears to have been driven by anti-natalist ideology, according to two senior law enforcement officials briefed on the incident.

Anti-natalism refers to the belief that no one should have children. Investigators are focusing on social media posts made by the suspect, including a 30-minute audio recording, which they say support anti-natalist views. While the posts and the recording are still being verified, officials believe they reflect the ideology behind the bombing.

The same person may also be linked to an online forum post from earlier this month in which the individual contemplated suicide using an explosive device, the sources said. They are also investigating a YouTube account, under the same moniker, that features videos of experiments with homemade explosives.

The suspect, who has not been identified, was reportedly dealing with depression and had personal relationship issues. Authorities believe the suspect is a 25-year-old man from Twentynine Palms, three law enforcement sources familiar with the investigation told NBC News.

On Saturday, multiple law enforcement tactical officers were seen outside a Twentynine Palms residence, about an hour away from the targeted fertility clinic. The activity there was connected to the Palm Springs investigation, the sources confirmed to NBC News.

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NBC news: FBI links California fertility clinic bombing to anti-natalist ideology (Original Post) Dennis Donovan May 18 OP
I am afraid that the right will run with the anti-natalist lefty/eco-terrorist narrative on this. Eugene May 18 #1
Might be an incel, which is a good counter allegation to maga manly-man male supremacy ideology Bernardo de La Paz May 18 #3
No one on the internet would take spotty information filtered through their ideology TheProle May 18 #11
Who gives a fuck what the right will run with? They're propagandists -- they blame anything and everything on the left. W_HAMILTON May 18 #18
they're coming out of the woodwork stopdiggin May 18 #2
A person expressing suicidal thoughts & fooling around with explosives SHOULD attract attention from Bernardo de La Paz May 18 #4
There is a forum on reddit called childfree. Jacson6 May 18 #5
My God, is there a hateful group for everything, online? Why don't they just go to a bar and argue? Walleye May 18 #7
That's really tragic. I was thinking it was probably some guy who hates his own family. Walleye May 18 #6
Now, that's a weird twist to this. MineralMan May 18 #8
It was fourth on my list of possibilities, though I've not heard whether "christianity" is involved Bernardo de La Paz May 18 #10
I have not reproduced during my lifetime. MineralMan May 18 #12
Anti-natalists aren't usually right-wing Sympthsical May 18 #15
Yes. The man was fundamentally mentally ill (online suicidal ideation) and whatever else was along for the ride. . . nt Bernardo de La Paz May 18 #17
Message auto-removed Name removed May 18 #9
From the looks of the guy... littlemissmartypants May 18 #13
Well that Rebl2 May 18 #14
He tried to Darwin everyone else, but just end up winning the Darwin Award himself. madinmaryland May 18 #16

Eugene

(65,196 posts)
1. I am afraid that the right will run with the anti-natalist lefty/eco-terrorist narrative on this.
Sun May 18, 2025, 12:35 PM
May 18

Bernardo de La Paz

(56,040 posts)
3. Might be an incel, which is a good counter allegation to maga manly-man male supremacy ideology
Sun May 18, 2025, 12:42 PM
May 18

An unfuckable?

TheProle

(3,370 posts)
11. No one on the internet would take spotty information filtered through their ideology
Sun May 18, 2025, 01:15 PM
May 18

And proclaim the “truth” before the facts are in. C’mon…

W_HAMILTON

(9,027 posts)
18. Who gives a fuck what the right will run with? They're propagandists -- they blame anything and everything on the left.
Sun May 18, 2025, 05:59 PM
May 18

I've been a Democrat for decades and I'm on the left end of the Democratic spectrum -- I've never even heard of the damn term "anti-natalist" before. Maybe that's a thing among the Green Party/Horseshoe type of leftists, but it ain't among most sane liberals/progressives.

stopdiggin

(13,768 posts)
2. they're coming out of the woodwork
Sun May 18, 2025, 12:36 PM
May 18

(crazies of all stripes, not just this particular brand)
And - really, really unfortunate - but my guess is we see more of this ...

Bernardo de La Paz

(56,040 posts)
4. A person expressing suicidal thoughts & fooling around with explosives SHOULD attract attention from
Sun May 18, 2025, 12:46 PM
May 18

... should attract careful attention from both mental health support and BATF law enforcement. It's enough to get a warrant and then they are likely to find enough for charges, which can be held in abeyance during treatment or convictions suspended conditionally on treatment and good behaviour.

But what the hell does the regime care about lives and suffering when there are DOGEy cuts to make to benefit the One Percenters.

Jacson6

(1,287 posts)
5. There is a forum on reddit called childfree.
Sun May 18, 2025, 12:51 PM
May 18

Some of the members are rabid anti-birth. They think people that have children are stupid. Of course, They rant and rave if they happen to go to a restaurant to see children with their parents eating a meal. They have always made the hair on the back of neck stand up.

Walleye

(40,683 posts)
7. My God, is there a hateful group for everything, online? Why don't they just go to a bar and argue?
Sun May 18, 2025, 12:56 PM
May 18

Walleye

(40,683 posts)
6. That's really tragic. I was thinking it was probably some guy who hates his own family.
Sun May 18, 2025, 12:55 PM
May 18

Because I’ve never heard of this anti-natalist movement before

MineralMan

(149,124 posts)
8. Now, that's a weird twist to this.
Sun May 18, 2025, 01:06 PM
May 18

I'll have to go explore anti-natalism. I'm completely ignorant about that.

Bernardo de La Paz

(56,040 posts)
10. It was fourth on my list of possibilities, though I've not heard whether "christianity" is involved
Sun May 18, 2025, 01:13 PM
May 18
https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=20324360

But yes, a weird twist. Though fundamentally mentally ill (suicidal thoughts expressed online).

MineralMan

(149,124 posts)
12. I have not reproduced during my lifetime.
Sun May 18, 2025, 01:20 PM
May 18

That was a personal choice, though, and I don't thing others should necessarily do the same.

My question to anti-natalists would be: "How is it that you are still alive?"

My decision was based on rapidly rising global population numbers. It was something I could do about that. I don't think others should do the same unless they have a moral or ethical belief that they not reproduce.

I had no idea there was such a movement.

Sympthsical

(10,621 posts)
15. Anti-natalists aren't usually right-wing
Sun May 18, 2025, 04:07 PM
May 18

And I'll say "usually" because we don't have full information on this one yet. But, I see a lot of it in the more extreme hinterlands of eco movements. Think being severely against overpopulation and its effects on the environment.

Although bombing an IVF clinic to make your point is novel as hell. That anti-natalism could go there never crossed my mind. A total inversion of the anti-abortion extremist. I thought they were just cranky anti-social people grousing online.

It's interesting if nothing else.

Bernardo de La Paz

(56,040 posts)
17. Yes. The man was fundamentally mentally ill (online suicidal ideation) and whatever else was along for the ride. . . nt
Sun May 18, 2025, 04:28 PM
May 18

Response to Dennis Donovan (Original post)

littlemissmartypants

(27,763 posts)
13. From the looks of the guy...
Sun May 18, 2025, 02:53 PM
May 18

He didn't have any reason to worry about someone wanting to have his baby.

Creepy incels are everywhere.

Lifestyles & Social Issues
Sociology & Society
incel definition and history
https://www.britannica.com/topic/incel


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Rebl2

(16,404 posts)
14. Well that
Sun May 18, 2025, 03:02 PM
May 18

was probably the problem. He was depressed, had relationships problems. Likely nobody would date him because of his views which seem radical. I certainly wouldn’t deny people’s choice to have a child. I chose not to have children for medical reasons.

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