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In It to Win It

(10,604 posts)
Fri May 16, 2025, 04:00 PM May 16

BREAKING: The Supreme Court holds that the Trump administration violated the due process rights of Venezuelan migrants

Mark Joseph Stern
‪@mjsdc.bsky.social‬

BREAKING: The Supreme Court holds that the Trump administration violated the due process rights of Venezuelan migrants last month in its rushed effort to expel them to El Salvador in the middle of the night (which SCOTUS blocked). Alito and Thomas dissent. https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/25944899-24a1007-order/

The Supreme Court does NOT decide whether the Trump administration can remove migrants under the Alien Enemies Act, but holds that its efforts to do so violate due process. It instructs the lower courts to decide exactly what deportation procedures *would* comply with the Constitution.

Critically, the Supreme Court also continues to block deportations of migrants under the Alien Enemies Act *as a class,* through an injunction that applies to all similarly situated detainees. This is a strong signal that the majority WILL let the migrants litigate through a "habeas class action."


BREAKING: The Supreme Court holds that the Trump administration violated the due process rights of Venezuelan migrants last month in its rushed effort to expel them to El Salvador in the middle of the night (which SCOTUS blocked). Alito and Thomas dissent. www.documentcloud.org/documents/25...

Mark Joseph Stern (@mjsdc.bsky.social) 2025-05-16T19:51:20.798Z
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BREAKING: The Supreme Court holds that the Trump administration violated the due process rights of Venezuelan migrants (Original Post) In It to Win It May 16 OP
Trump doesn't care? Irish_Dem May 16 #1
Of course not sakabatou May 16 #2
He's BeerBarrelPolka May 16 #30
Maybe he can get the DOJ to arrest one of the SC judges. Irish_Dem May 16 #35
Amy Coney Barrett BeerBarrelPolka May 16 #36
Oh yes she is the one they would go after. Irish_Dem May 16 #38
Trump: "How many divisions does the Supreme Court have?" tblue37 May 17 #42
But that is part of the problem, isn't it? OldBaldy1701E May 17 #44
Time BeerBarrelPolka May 17 #45
Looks like he cared after all 0rganism May 16 #37
Supreme Court blocks Trump from restarting Alien Enemies Act deportations LetMyPeopleVote May 16 #3
Bring them back now and allow due process if they can prove their offenses are unlawful. Deuxcents May 16 #4
Meanwhile, House Republicans blocked Trump's spending bill today BoRaGard May 16 #5
Ketchup bottles be a-flyin' tonight! 😁 ShazzieB May 16 #16
Supreme Court rules Trump administration must give Venezuelans more time to challenge deportation under Alien Enemies Ac LetMyPeopleVote May 16 #6
+1 dalton99a May 16 #10
OK maybe I'll start hoping again. I was expecting them to sell us all up the river. And democracy. lindysalsagal May 16 #7
When you kidnap someone isn't that breaking the law ? Beachnutt May 16 #8
Good but who will enforce bringing them back? Meowmee May 16 #9
just exactly what I have been wondering for months rurallib May 16 #11
Yes, but the media will continue to pretend it isn't Meowmee May 16 #12
It will be up to the American citizenry then.... hadEnuf May 16 #14
They're still being held in the Northern District of Texas. sl8 May 16 #29
Executive branch (president) enforces the laws and rulings IronLionZion May 16 #32
Yes I know all of that Meowmee May 16 #34
Next, take away the immunity and write orders for his arrest. Clouds Passing May 16 #13
Congratulations, Supreme Court ReRe May 16 #15
It was so obvious, but with this Court, you never know. surfered May 16 #17
He would have been in charge of the show trials. Iggo May 16 #33
K&R for, umkay one small step... UTUSN May 16 #18
Is that all Iamscrewed May 16 #19
Newsflash: Trump plans on violating B.See May 16 #20
and SCOTUS will get pissed and continue to vote against him in every case LymphocyteLover May 16 #21
right... B.See May 16 #24
it's happening.... big question is whether they actually attack SCOTUS more directly LymphocyteLover May 18 #50
didn't have to wait long... B.See Saturday #51
So, with THIS ruling, if i read it right. That not just one person (Garcia) but ALL bluestarone May 16 #22
This case is about the Venezuelan detainees being held in the Northern District of Texas, not Garcia. nt sl8 May 16 #25
Ah, my bad bluestarone May 16 #26
The issue isn't how SCOTUS rules EnergizedLib May 16 #23
If you can stomach it, read Sam the Flim-Flam man's dissent maxrandb May 16 #27
"The issue isn't how SCOTUS rules. It's if these rulings will be complied with." J_William_Ryan May 16 #28
Alito and Thomas show utter contempt for the constitution Mysterian May 16 #31
They're the two dumbest white men on the court mdbl May 17 #46
Thanks for the link to the order. TomSlick May 16 #39
I've got your deportation order RIGHT HERE usonian May 16 #40
TSF: "They made their decision... Wednesdays May 16 #41
Well, that's according to Horace Greeley. sl8 May 17 #43
So What? Dave Id May 17 #47
That's very important, but a different case. sl8 May 17 #48
Will the deported Supremes have private cells in Libya or El Salvador? Ping Tung May 17 #49

BeerBarrelPolka

(1,667 posts)
30. He's
Fri May 16, 2025, 06:36 PM
May 16

He's either going to power trip if the SC caves in to him, or he's going to flex if they don't. Since they didn't, he's going to flex and do what he wants to do and show us who's "boss". Everything he sets up is always a no lose situation for himself, since there are no laws in reality to stop him.

Irish_Dem

(69,972 posts)
35. Maybe he can get the DOJ to arrest one of the SC judges.
Fri May 16, 2025, 07:07 PM
May 16

Barbie Bondage Bondi would love to throw a SC judge into the slammer.

Irish_Dem

(69,972 posts)
38. Oh yes she is the one they would go after.
Fri May 16, 2025, 07:18 PM
May 16

She has betrayed the king and been disloyal.
Throw her into the tower.

OldBaldy1701E

(7,927 posts)
44. But that is part of the problem, isn't it?
Sat May 17, 2025, 07:31 AM
May 17

'Laws' are not going to stop this.

We the people will... assuming we stop being precious about things as they are. The desire to hold onto the current socioeconomic model is very confusing to myself, as the inequity and bias written into our current law structure is obvious to anyone who wants things to be more equitable and un-biased. I can't be the only person who sees this. (Who knows, maybe I am.) The current system is why we are in the situation we are in.

But, I guess we like things as they are, then.

BeerBarrelPolka

(1,667 posts)
45. Time
Sat May 17, 2025, 08:07 AM
May 17

Time is one of the enemies here. Other Americans (Magats) are enemies. Repubs in office are enemies, etc. So while I agree with you, there are lots of obstacles. Trump is rewriting history. He's setting precedents that are destroying democracy forever, unless punishing changes to the office are established. Impeachment can no longer be the only means to rid ourselves of a pestilence in the presidency. Rules/Laws have to be established that will make him/her think long and hard about decisions even before they decide to run for office.

0rganism

(25,078 posts)
37. Looks like he cared after all
Fri May 16, 2025, 07:14 PM
May 16

Throwing a multi-post tantrum on his social media outlets.

Of course it could all be a ruse, but I get the vibe that he's really upset about not being able to exile immigrants at will.

LetMyPeopleVote

(163,500 posts)
3. Supreme Court blocks Trump from restarting Alien Enemies Act deportations
Fri May 16, 2025, 04:11 PM
May 16

This makes me smile

Supreme Court blocks Trump from restarting Alien Enemies Act deportations

www.cnn.com/2025/05/16/p...

(@trinnab.bsky.social) 2025-05-16T20:02:59.497Z



https://www.cnn.com/2025/05/16/politics/supreme-court-alien-enemies-act?cid=external-feeds_iluminar_google

The Supreme Court on Friday blocked President Donald Trump from moving forward with deportations under the 1798 Alien Enemies Act for a group of immigrants in northern Texas, siding with Venezuelans who feared they were poised for imminent removal under the sweeping wartime authority.

The decision is a significant loss for Trump, who wants to use the law to speed deportations – and avoid the kind of review normally required before removing people from the country. But the decision is also temporary and the underlying legal fight over the president’s invocation has continued simultaneously in multiple federal courts across the country.

The justices sent the case back to an appeals court to decide the underlying questions in the case, including whether the president’s move is legal and if it is, how much notice the migrants targeted under the act should receive.

Two conservative justices – Clarence Thomas and Samuel Alito – publicly noted their dissent.

This story is breaking and will be updated.

Deuxcents

(22,310 posts)
4. Bring them back now and allow due process if they can prove their offenses are unlawful.
Fri May 16, 2025, 04:14 PM
May 16

Not coming to a full stop or a busted tail light is not a crime worthy of life imprisonment

BoRaGard

(5,540 posts)
5. Meanwhile, House Republicans blocked Trump's spending bill today
Fri May 16, 2025, 04:20 PM
May 16

Krasnov (R - Felon/Rapist) is quite the loser.

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LetMyPeopleVote

(163,500 posts)
6. Supreme Court rules Trump administration must give Venezuelans more time to challenge deportation under Alien Enemies Ac
Fri May 16, 2025, 04:25 PM
May 16

This also makes me smile. 24 hours is not sufficient time to object
Venezuelan men held in Texas had urged the court to prevent the government from sending them to a prison in El Salvador before they could challenge the move in court.

BREAKING: Supreme Court rules Trump administration must give Venezuelans more time to challenge deportation under Alien Enemies Act

www.nbcnews.com/politics/sup...

MSNBC (@msnbc.com) 2025-05-16T20:15:44.657Z



https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/supreme-court/supreme-court-trump-administration-venezuelans-alien-enemies-act-rcna202094

WASHINGTON — The Supreme Court on Friday dealt a blow against the Trump administration's attempt to send Venezuelans it says are gang members to a notorious prison in El Salvador, saying the detainees must have a proper chance to raise legal objections.

The 7-2 decision, which grants a request made by a group of Venezuelans, clarified an unusual order issued by the justices in the early hours of April 19 that hit pause on any government plans to deport people held in northern Texas.

The justices in the latest unsigned decision faulted the administration for only giving the detainees 24 hours to launch legal challenges.

"Under these circumstances, notice roughly 24 hours before removal, devoid of information about how to exercise due process rights to contest that removal, surely does not pass muster," the ruling said......

The Trump administration's attempt to summarily deport immigrants without giving them a chance to contest whether they are gang members or whether the law can even be applied to criminal organizations is part of its hardline immigration policy that has faced considerable pushback from courts as well as political opponents.

Although the Alien Enemies Act can only be used at a time of "invasions or predatory incursions," the government has argued that those conditions are met because the gang is effectively an arm of the Venezuelan government, a claim that is heavily contested.

The court's April order, coming just hours after a bus carrying Venezuelans left a detention center in Texas toward an airport but then turned around, put the entire case on hold while the justices figured out what next steps to take.

The Supreme Court had, in an April 7 decision, made it clear that any people the government wants to deport under the Alien Enemies Act need to be given the chance to challenge the decision via habeas corpus petitions.

lindysalsagal

(22,693 posts)
7. OK maybe I'll start hoping again. I was expecting them to sell us all up the river. And democracy.
Fri May 16, 2025, 04:29 PM
May 16

Now we see it the sociopath attacks their families for revenge.

Beachnutt

(8,711 posts)
8. When you kidnap someone isn't that breaking the law ?
Fri May 16, 2025, 04:43 PM
May 16

Who is going to get arrested and charged with kidnapping ?

Meowmee

(9,212 posts)
9. Good but who will enforce bringing them back?
Fri May 16, 2025, 04:45 PM
May 16

Court rulings are useless if they aren't enforced.

rurallib

(63,756 posts)
11. just exactly what I have been wondering for months
Fri May 16, 2025, 04:48 PM
May 16

If Trump says NO it looks like democracy is done.

sl8

(16,495 posts)
29. They're still being held in the Northern District of Texas.
Fri May 16, 2025, 06:33 PM
May 16

The government tried to ship them out, but were blocked.

IronLionZion

(48,908 posts)
32. Executive branch (president) enforces the laws and rulings
Fri May 16, 2025, 06:44 PM
May 16

so when the president is a convicted felon and a bigoted idiot, there's a flaw in our system of checks and balances. We can't count on the GOP Congress to do much about it.

ReRe

(11,652 posts)
15. Congratulations, Supreme Court
Fri May 16, 2025, 05:04 PM
May 16

For the bright red line in the sand! For finally laying down the LAW!

Now get ready to enforce it without our errant AG, Pam Bondi. How's that going to work?

surfered

(6,930 posts)
17. It was so obvious, but with this Court, you never know.
Fri May 16, 2025, 05:21 PM
May 16

I guessed it was 7-2 before reading the opinion. This is just the wrong time for Justice Alito. Germany 1930 would have been his hey day.

LymphocyteLover

(8,040 posts)
50. it's happening.... big question is whether they actually attack SCOTUS more directly
Sun May 18, 2025, 07:56 AM
May 18

such a open threats of defunding or actually imprisoning them... for now I suspect not. They will engage in as much defiance as they can get away with without being too blatant about it (as they are now).

bluestarone

(19,826 posts)
22. So, with THIS ruling, if i read it right. That not just one person (Garcia) but ALL
Fri May 16, 2025, 05:35 PM
May 16

These immigrants that went to El Salvador were WRONGLY sent because of no due process?

sl8

(16,495 posts)
25. This case is about the Venezuelan detainees being held in the Northern District of Texas, not Garcia. nt
Fri May 16, 2025, 06:09 PM
May 16

maxrandb

(16,566 posts)
27. If you can stomach it, read Sam the Flim-Flam man's dissent
Fri May 16, 2025, 06:22 PM
May 16

Last edited Sat May 17, 2025, 06:01 AM - Edit history (1)

I am not a lawyer, but he seems to be saying "what's the big deal in days, weeks, months, or years of appellate review?."

It's not like they were about to be renditioned to a Salvadoran Death Camp for life...except that they were!!!!!!

It's like saying I am going to wait on cancer treatment, because it hasn't killed me yet.

I am so fucking sick of these pompous pricks pretending that their rulings HAVE NO REAL WORLD AFFECT.

You don't fucking call it a "ball, or strike" when the batters been beaned in the fucking face.

J_William_Ryan

(2,754 posts)
28. "The issue isn't how SCOTUS rules. It's if these rulings will be complied with."
Fri May 16, 2025, 06:28 PM
May 16

Correct.

And the fascist Trump regime will ignore this and other rulings consistent with its contempt for the rule of law.

Mysterian

(5,619 posts)
31. Alito and Thomas show utter contempt for the constitution
Fri May 16, 2025, 06:40 PM
May 16

In a rational society, they would be impoeached for their clear refusal to obey the clear dictates of the constitution.

usonian

(17,846 posts)
40. I've got your deportation order RIGHT HERE
Fri May 16, 2025, 08:40 PM
May 16


Apartheid-loving racist scum.

The shadow of apartheid South Africa in America.
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100219696928
Nazis

Wednesdays

(20,513 posts)
41. TSF: "They made their decision...
Fri May 16, 2025, 11:46 PM
May 16

...now let them enforce it."

(Quote originally made by Andrew Jackson.)

sl8

(16,495 posts)
43. Well, that's according to Horace Greeley.
Sat May 17, 2025, 07:17 AM
May 17

Greeley wrote that 30+ years after the Worcester decision. There's no other indication that Jackson said such a thing.

Of course, Jackson did have major beef with the Supreme Court and it is documented that he said this about the case:

“The decision of the Supreme court has fell still born and they find that it cannot coerce Georgia to yield to its mandate.”

Dave Id

(107 posts)
47. So What?
Sat May 17, 2025, 10:59 AM
May 17

Does or will the Supreme Court have any power to enforce their decision to get the falsly deported immigrants returned?

sl8

(16,495 posts)
48. That's very important, but a different case.
Sat May 17, 2025, 12:23 PM
May 17

The detainees that this case is about are still in Texas. The government tried to deport them, but, so far, have been blocked by the courts. That's a good thing.

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