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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsMy friend operates a small business. He received this note today from his main supplier, also a small business.
The raw materials my friend uses are literally unavailable from any domestic manufacturer, so this price increase effectively wipes out his operating profit making continued operations not possible. In the short term hell have to pause production, long term hell close up shop if this tariff situation continues. I would imagine his supplier will be in a similar position. Probably more than a few peoples employment at risk.
As you may have heard, tariffs have increased on imported products. As a result, we will be raising our pricing over the next couple of days. We have always prided ourselves in offering the best quality products at competitive pricing. This is still our goal, but these increased costs will have an effect on all of us. All in, tariffs and excise taxes will increase pricing approximately 75% higher than they should be without these added Government fees. Unless we pass these costs on, we will not be able to remain a viable business. We appreciate your understanding. If you have any questions, please feel free to call me.
Mike (Owner) xxx-xxx-xxxx

UpInArms
(52,474 posts)We will all be casualties of this idiocy
dchill
(41,806 posts)Justice matters.
(8,233 posts)Irish_Dem
(67,244 posts)Let the big businesses swoop in and buy the small business on the cheap?
Or just wipe them out period?
bluesbassman
(20,232 posts)Its not sustainable though as our size and diverse economic landscape operates and thrives because of small businesses.
Irish_Dem
(67,244 posts)lark
(24,779 posts)They HATE the working class and poor and will do everything to destroy us!
Bernardo de La Paz
(53,943 posts)Lutnick on CNBC: It's not about helping workers (though he tries to say the opposite)
"Why can't iphones be made in the US with robotics?"
Then later says "We need to employ Americans, but Americans can be much more efficient with robotics."
sdfernando
(5,644 posts)if you don't employ people, who can afford to buy the fucking product!
LiberalArkie
(17,795 posts)It I remember correctly, Jobs said it cost millions and sometimes over a year to properly design and program the robots to assemble the parts, whereas China can just put 10,000 workers on the job in a month.
This naturally was decades ago. The car manufacturers have managed to do a lot, but at some point either Apple will need to stop reinventing the wheel every year or .....
Figarosmom
(5,042 posts)Whip us into a subservient worker class that will do anything that is asked, for little return and a lot of debasement.
yardwork
(66,045 posts)For several decades, as the price of healthcare soared, workers were unable to quit jobs with large companies. We were essentially indentured servants.
Obamacare made it possible for people to quit jobs and become entrepreneurs. Small businesses thrived.
I suspect those corporations want their workers back. This is one way to do it.
Irish_Dem
(67,244 posts)Big business was furious.
wolfie001
(4,412 posts)Coverage less, cost more. Every year, every Union contract. Death by 1,000 cuts. American Corporate policy in a nutshell.
Irish_Dem
(67,244 posts)Total scam.
Americans have been indentured servants for a long time.
wolfie001
(4,412 posts)Divorce a spouse and put one on Medicaid as a financial strategy. American christianity at its root/core/base.
Dan
(4,501 posts)Automation is the goal. Elimination of the human element is the goal. Machines, robots, Kiosk dont take breaks, dont eat and aside from regular maintenance dont have any real cost after acquisition, aside from electricity.
People are increasingly obsolete. The big corporations just have to figure a way to generate increased wealth without the need of people. Maybe, they are also in the process of redefining what is wealth.
The only thing that they do need is one portion of the population to kill the other portions of the population to maintain their wealth.
yardwork
(66,045 posts)I think there are probably companies that are still mad that they lost workforce due to entrepreneurship.
Let's say we're both right. Somewhere US companies totally lost any sense of decency.
Dan
(4,501 posts)I think that it was when Reagan reduced the Marginal Tax Rate. Prior to that when the MTR was high, companies reinvested their profits back into the company. When they reduced the MTR the owners took the profits out of the companies and reinvested or stored away the money. When they reinvested the money back into the companies, they also reinvested in their workers because they perceived the workers to be an asset rather than a liability.
IMO.
yardwork
(66,045 posts)He was a puppet.
CitizenZero
(652 posts)Universal Basic Income (UBI) might be a solution. Automation is probably coming one way or another. Unfortunately. Andrew Yang ran for President and UBI was one of his innovative (unusual?) policy positions.
Wilma Woke
(19 posts)I remember during lockdown that weed shops were considered essential but except for corporatations like Mall-Wart, they had to shut their doors. 😑
rzemanfl
(30,490 posts)Wilma Woke
(19 posts)Sugarcoated
(8,159 posts)
Skittles
(163,080 posts)yup
SammyWinstonJack
(44,269 posts)
Irish_Dem
(67,244 posts)that make some damn sense.
Trueblue Texan
(3,254 posts)Remember TSF works for Putin, not us.
Irish_Dem
(67,244 posts)iemanja
(55,761 posts)Dyedinthewoolliberal
(16,043 posts)should be sending this information to Congress and asking them to work on impeachment because Hair Fuehrer isn't going to be any help.
Deep State Witch
(11,679 posts)Snag Tights, which is UK-based, but manufactures in Italy. They're still debating what to do, since they have a lot of US customers.
bluesbassman
(20,232 posts)If this madness continues its going to snowball into an avalanche very quickly.
Deep State Witch
(11,679 posts)I'm a crafter. I make jewelry and sell it at shows and on Etsy. I'm glad that a friend gave me a bunch of her beads from downsizing. Plus, I stocked up on the Delicas that come from Japan. Right now, I'm not planning on raising my prices on Etsy. For now.
angrychair
(10,460 posts)Maybe if he can scrape together several million dollars and write the Mango Mob Boss a personal check he could get a crave out. I'm absolutely positive all this is a shakedown for money and just to be a bully.
Have a relative that owns a small business, with several components from Taiwan and Vietnam. They didn't get much sleep last night.
Littlered
(195 posts)Call me a cynic, but that has been my observation for most of my time on earth. Spending the last 25 plus years as a small business owner. Just like the gas surcharge that was added by one of our contractors during the pandemic. Its still there.
Mosby
(18,323 posts)It's a tax, right?
What's up with the 75% increase? Sound like bullshit. Trump imposed a 25% tariff.
ProfessorGAC
(72,155 posts)It mentions and excise tax, but that is one heck of an excise tax.
25% tariff & a 40% excise tax? You'd think the 40% would be bigger news than the tariff.
bluesbassman
(20,232 posts)My friend is pretty shook up today and I dont think hes called the guy back yet to get a breakdown on the increase, hopefully soon. Maybe it was a typo, I dont know, but even the minimum 25% tariff, regardless of the the excise tax or markup these importers apply will be a significant enough burden on the profit margins for many small businesses that many wont be able to survive.
ProfessorGAC
(72,155 posts)I found this:
Banks (particularly money centers) have the highest average profit margins of any industry at 100% gross and 30.89% net.
The auto and truck industry has the lowest average gross profit at 12.45%.
Real estate development has the lowest average net profit margin at -16.35%.
These are gross profit margins, so no overhead is yet absorbed.
Here's a list of gross & net margins by industry. I don't see any manufacturing segments where the 25% tariff isn't sucking a big portion or all of the gross margin.
https://www.venasolutions.com/blog/average-profit-margin-by-industry
BTW: I've always meant to ask you; what kind of bass do you play? I've got a 5 string Fender Jazz bass.
bluesbassman
(20,232 posts)Big guys will ride it out, but not before putting millions out of work.
Cool, I have a 5 string Jazz too, but its not my primary. I have three that get regular stage rotation. A 50s P, a 60s Jazz, both made in Mexico. And I have a pretty rare 2018 Parallel Universe 51 Telecaster thats a USA model. Amplification is either a Rumble 800 combo, or an Aguilar Tone Hammer 700 on top of a GK Neo 212.
ProfessorGAC
(72,155 posts)But, I've got 14 guitars, 4 amps, 6 keyboards, an acoustic piano & a mandolin.
So, my bass isn't lonely!
bluesbassman
(20,232 posts)Im beginning to thin the heard, just sold my stadium rig, a Fender Super Bassman 300 watt all tube head with a 410 and a 15. Just too heavy and big to haul around for club dates any more, and to be honest the Class Ds sound damn near as good! Ive got ten other basses thatll Ill probably most of. The three I mentioned are my go to for performance.
ProfessorGAC
(72,155 posts)So the habit is broken.
I spent 75 or 80% of my gig money on gear. When I quit performing, I quit buying.
At least with the acoustics, I play all of them. I only play 2 or 3 of my electric guitars, regularly.
And, I play piano every day, as well.
I don't miss getting new stuff, though.
Ruby the Liberal
(26,407 posts)Is he talking about increasing prices 75% over what he was already planning to increase them?
NoSheep
(8,286 posts)Tickle
(3,808 posts)thinking products will go up 75%. Can you be more specific with the product your friend is getting?
GreatGazoo
(4,100 posts)and more will be added to the exemption list. My advice would be to shop around while delaying any purchase which can be delayed. Trump has 6 days to reverse -- something he has done both times before. The first rule of manufacturing is "Have at least two sources for everything that is critical to your business."
>Some goods will not be subject to the Reciprocal Tariff. These include: (1) articles subject to 50 USC 1702(b); (2) steel/aluminum articles and autos/auto parts already subject to Section 232 tariffs; (3) copper, pharmaceuticals, semiconductors, and lumber articles; (4) all articles that may become subject to future Section 232 tariffs; (5) bullion; and (6) energy and other certain minerals that are not available in the United States.
https://www.whitehouse.gov/fact-sheets/2025/04/fact-sheet-president-donald-j-trump-declares-national-emergency-to-increase-our-competitive-edge-protect-our-sovereignty-and-strengthen-our-national-and-economic-security/
Raftergirl
(1,647 posts)shape. They were on sale from $199 to $158. I bought two pair so Ill have a spare when one gets beat up.
Everything is European sourced and they are manufactured in Portugal.
https://sansmatin.com/pages/sustainability
wiggs
(8,175 posts)Sometimes on restaurant tabs you'll see a cost line for 'employee benefits' or 'staff living wages'. Since tariffs are partly for tax cuts for the wealthiest, a line item on every imported car, car part, tool, off-season melon, chair, 2 x 4, kilowatt of electricity, spliff from Mexico, lawnmower from China, viagra pill from Sweden, carpet from Turkey, etc would make it clear and immediate who should be blamed.