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Wiz Imp

(4,588 posts)
Wed Apr 2, 2025, 07:38 PM Wednesday

The Senate Resolution on the Canadian Tariffs just passed!

A big win for Democrats!

Trump tried to bully the Republicans into voting NO but it didn't work. They stood firm and voted with the Democrats.

On this one issue - good job by Rand Paul, Mitch McConnell, Susan Collins & Lisa Murkowski.
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https://www.cnn.com/2025/04/02/politics/senate-vote-tariffs-republicans-trump/index.html

Four Senate Republicans join with Democrats to rebuke Trump tariff policy in key vote

Four Senate Republicans joined with Democrats on Wednesday to deliver a rare bipartisan rebuke to President Donald Trump over trade policy.

The Senate adopted a resolution by a vote of 51 to 48 aimed at blocking the Trump administration’s proposed tariffs on Canadian imports. The four Republicans who voted with Democrats were: Sens. Rand Paul, who cosponsored the resolution, Susan Collins, Mitch McConnell and Lisa Murkowski.

The move amounts to rare bipartisan pushback against Trump in the GOP-led Senate and comes after Trump criticized the measure and urged Republicans to vote against it.
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The Senate Resolution on the Canadian Tariffs just passed! (Original Post) Wiz Imp Wednesday OP
Now it needs to pass the House Nictuku Wednesday #1
Pass it in the House and PO'd Moses Mike will send them home for another vacation Bengus81 Wednesday #10
He'll never allow to get a vote Diraven Wednesday #14
He's broke the rule a couple of times so I guess it will be must see TV. Bengus81 Wednesday #18
There is a path. There is a need for Republicans who want their legislative power back to be involved, however. Gore1FL Wednesday #19
House Democrats believe they may have found a way to circumvent GOP leaders on the issue of tariff policy. Wiz Imp Wednesday #33
Not a fan of this - let the GOP own the tariff fiasco alone. radius777 Wednesday #48
Yeah but Dems have to try to stop him or MadameButterfly Yesterday #50
I agree Madame. Sometimes you just have to stand shoulder to shoulder for what's right. patphil 23 hrs ago #52
Yes, if we can't get the party of money to oppose destroying businesses MadameButterfly 11 hrs ago #57
I thought he was grinder mike?! Bluethroughu 16 hrs ago #56
Senate resolutions do not go to the House. Sneederbunk Wednesday #23
Really? NewDayOranges Wednesday #35
Given where we are now I'd say that the average sdfernando 17 hrs ago #55
The networks need to broadcast Schoolhouse Rock for the masses MadameButterfly 11 hrs ago #58
See Post #33 Wiz Imp Wednesday #36
Trump will NEVER sign anything Putin prohibits NotHardly 22 hrs ago #53
Still had to pass the house. let us pray. rich7862 Wednesday #2
Links and details, please . lindysalsagal Wednesday #3
Just saw it on a YouTube PBS feed Raven123 Wednesday #4
Just watched the actual Roll call vote Wiz Imp Wednesday #6
I just edited the original post to link to a CNN article. Wiz Imp Wednesday #7
Some of those R Senators who voted for it NEED to twist some arms in the House among the R's... hlthe2b Wednesday #5
Excellent! Now, go FURTHER. calimary Wednesday #8
Senator Kaine implied they would push for a similar resolution for Mexico tariffs if this one passed Wiz Imp Wednesday #11
A rebuke? Prairie Gates Wednesday #9
It actually ends the state of emergency declaration against Canada Wiz Imp Wednesday #13
Thanks! That does makes a difference even if he vetoes it Prairie Gates Wednesday #15
It will help when/if Canada takes it to the US courts. Bev54 Wednesday #26
Yes, but these were votes on issues not the issue bucolic_frolic Wednesday #12
Excellent news. Even if nothing comes of this, it's crucially important Mike 03 Wednesday #16
Interesting both Kentucky Senators were on board SSJVegeta Wednesday #17
Libertarians tend to be anti-tariff Tommy Carcetti Wednesday #20
Well its nice to see he still has hobbies standing in for his principles. SSJVegeta Wednesday #21
Kentucky Bourbon sales fall off is killing Kentucky. bronxiteforever Wednesday #25
Color me surprised! calimary Wednesday #28
Kentucky bourbon trade. AllyCat Wednesday #31
Libertarianism is a childish ideology. biocube Wednesday #43
Bourbon. Canadians drink it. marybourg Wednesday #42
This message was self-deleted by its author Sneederbunk Wednesday #22
I am still amazed RJ-MacReady Wednesday #24
Why was Paul for it? Renew Deal Wednesday #27
Kentucky bourbon. LisaM Wednesday #29
Makes sense Renew Deal Wednesday #37
No more sales of US booze in Canada for the foreseeable future RazorbackExpat Wednesday #38
Paul is strongly anti-tariff in general Wiz Imp Wednesday #39
Wow. But only a resolution? AllyCat Wednesday #30
It does have teeth Wiz Imp Wednesday #32
Okay, thank you. I missed that. AllyCat Wednesday #34
do they have a veto proof majority? AlexSFCA Wednesday #40
Unfortunately No Wiz Imp Wednesday #41
not really, effectively dems are helping those repubs keep their senate seats AlexSFCA Wednesday #45
Sheeesh. People complain and complain that Democrats aren't doing enough Wiz Imp Wednesday #46
Agree, Dems should have no part of this. radius777 Wednesday #49
Rand Paul and Mitch had to vote that way Green Line Wednesday #44
Rand Paul has a consistent history of strongly opposing tariffs Wiz Imp Wednesday #47
Fuck those Republicans AKwannabe 23 hrs ago #51
Screw all four of them. They brought Mango Jebus to the ball and are now just sitting out a dance. marble falls 21 hrs ago #54

Gore1FL

(22,361 posts)
19. There is a path. There is a need for Republicans who want their legislative power back to be involved, however.
Wed Apr 2, 2025, 08:21 PM
Wednesday

I don't know if there are enough.

Wiz Imp

(4,588 posts)
33. House Democrats believe they may have found a way to circumvent GOP leaders on the issue of tariff policy.
Wed Apr 2, 2025, 09:08 PM
Wednesday
https://www.cnn.com/2025/04/02/politics/senate-vote-tariffs-republicans-trump/index.html

House GOP leaders are not expected to take up any efforts to rebuke Trump over tariff policy – and even moved earlier this year to prohibit such a move. But House Democrats believe they may have found a way to circumvent GOP leaders on the issue of tariff policy.

Rep. Greg Meeks of New York, the top Democrat on the House Foreign Affairs Committee, said on Wednesday that he plans to introduce a privileged resolution to force a vote over tariffs, a procedural move that can be used to bypass leadership and force floor votes.

radius777

(3,921 posts)
48. Not a fan of this - let the GOP own the tariff fiasco alone.
Wed Apr 2, 2025, 11:05 PM
Wednesday

Dems should just step aside and let Trump/GOP destroy themselves. When the economy tanks as a result of his tariffs - only then will voters have clarity on how terrible Trump is. Polls showed that voters believed the economy was Trump's strong point. Should that advantage erode, it's curtains for Orange Man.

MadameButterfly

(2,730 posts)
50. Yeah but Dems have to try to stop him or
Thu Apr 3, 2025, 09:50 AM
Yesterday

they show themselves helpless against his assault on democracy and everything else.

Not everyone will survive these tarriffs and to ask them to sacrifice their livelihoods to make a point isn't fair.
We shouldn't fear that it won't be bad enough under Trump. It will be. We have to mitigate the damage where we can.

patphil

(7,602 posts)
52. I agree Madame. Sometimes you just have to stand shoulder to shoulder for what's right.
Thu Apr 3, 2025, 11:31 AM
23 hrs ago

This is how you rally the electorate. Challenge Republicans in the House to stand up like the 4 did in the Senate. There isn't a down side to this, even if we lose, we win. Besides, we're going to need Republicans to stand up to Trump at some point.
Blocking tariffs is a very popular rallying point with citizens of all parties, and is a good starting point in generating majorities to reign in Trump's imperial presidency.

MadameButterfly

(2,730 posts)
57. Yes, if we can't get the party of money to oppose destroying businesses
Thu Apr 3, 2025, 10:37 PM
11 hrs ago

how to we get them to vote against Trump on anything?

NewDayOranges

(737 posts)
35. Really?
Wed Apr 2, 2025, 09:09 PM
Wednesday

I would not be surprised that a Canadian knows how US government works better than the average US citizen...

sdfernando

(5,644 posts)
55. Given where we are now I'd say that the average
Thu Apr 3, 2025, 05:05 PM
17 hrs ago

US citizen doesn't understand how our government works. We are in some real deep shit!

Wiz Imp

(4,588 posts)
6. Just watched the actual Roll call vote
Wed Apr 2, 2025, 07:46 PM
Wednesday

Will post a link to a news story as soon as I find one from mainstream outlet.

hlthe2b

(108,934 posts)
5. Some of those R Senators who voted for it NEED to twist some arms in the House among the R's...
Wed Apr 2, 2025, 07:41 PM
Wednesday

I'd hate to see it die there, but without a lot of push...

Wiz Imp

(4,588 posts)
11. Senator Kaine implied they would push for a similar resolution for Mexico tariffs if this one passed
Wed Apr 2, 2025, 07:56 PM
Wednesday

So I think we will see that next.

Wiz Imp

(4,588 posts)
13. It actually ends the state of emergency declaration against Canada
Wed Apr 2, 2025, 08:00 PM
Wednesday

which Trump used as pretense for invoking the tariffs. It has teeth. Unfortunately, Trump will veto if the House passes, but it still is a huge victory and sends a strong message that multiple Republicans are not going to be rubber stamps for Trump on tariffs.

Prairie Gates

(4,694 posts)
15. Thanks! That does makes a difference even if he vetoes it
Wed Apr 2, 2025, 08:11 PM
Wednesday

They are normalizing functional opposition to his weirder claims.

bucolic_frolic

(49,527 posts)
12. Yes, but these were votes on issues not the issue
Wed Apr 2, 2025, 07:59 PM
Wednesday

Whiskey and Bourbon, proximity to Canada. And ME AK have a lot of Canadians and probably family ties, more so than any other states.

So it's a good vote, but not a breakdown along ideological lines.

Mike 03

(18,323 posts)
16. Excellent news. Even if nothing comes of this, it's crucially important
Wed Apr 2, 2025, 08:15 PM
Wednesday

that Canada understand that the vast majority of Americans want nothing to do with Trump's abuse of their country, and that we have enormous affection for Canada and its citizens and are aware that our president is an out-of-control, demented lunatic.

SSJVegeta

(242 posts)
17. Interesting both Kentucky Senators were on board
Wed Apr 2, 2025, 08:17 PM
Wednesday

Rand Paul was definitely not on my bingo card of defectors.

Tommy Carcetti

(43,831 posts)
20. Libertarians tend to be anti-tariff
Wed Apr 2, 2025, 08:25 PM
Wednesday

As a tariff is a tax and any type of tax (whether good or bad) is anathema to libertarians.

Paul fashions himself a libertarian of sorts.

It's a broken clock moment.

calimary

(85,683 posts)
28. Color me surprised!
Wed Apr 2, 2025, 08:50 PM
Wednesday

I didn't expect to see ANYTHING good from Rand Paul.

What got into him?

biocube

(42 posts)
43. Libertarianism is a childish ideology.
Wed Apr 2, 2025, 10:11 PM
Wednesday

But he and Ron have always been consistent on their principles.

Response to Wiz Imp (Original post)

RJ-MacReady

(297 posts)
24. I am still amazed
Wed Apr 2, 2025, 08:31 PM
Wednesday

At Mitch McConnell he bears the lions share of the blame for trump not going away and now he thinks he can make it right? I mean by all means speak out but where was this in 2021? Its because he is retiring and no longer cares. Which means all this time he hated trump and what he was doing but stood by for his own power. The redemption arc is a tough sell for me.

Wiz Imp

(4,588 posts)
39. Paul is strongly anti-tariff in general
Wed Apr 2, 2025, 09:24 PM
Wednesday

It's one of the few issues where he has reasonable thoughts...

https://www.yahoo.com/news/gop-braces-potential-defeat-trump-181932167.html

“Trade is a good thing. Trade is proportional to prosperity, and so tariffs are bad economically,” he said. “It’s a terrible idea to run a country by emergency where representatives to vote on raising or lowering taxes.”

Paul said tariffs “are bad for the country, bad for prosperity, bad for the economy.”

“Our Constitution was very specific that taxes — tariffs are a tax — taxes originate in the House, come to the Senate and then go the president,” he said. “They don’t just go to the president and no one else. What kind of system would it be if all of our taxes and laws were passed by one person?”

Wiz Imp

(4,588 posts)
32. It does have teeth
Wed Apr 2, 2025, 09:05 PM
Wednesday
S.J. Res. 37; A joint resolution terminating the national emergency declared to impose duties on articles imported from Canada.


Trump can only legally impose tariffs on Canada due to the emergency declaration so this resolution would end Trump's ability to to unilaterally impose the tariffs. That's a big deal.

Wiz Imp

(4,588 posts)
41. Unfortunately No
Wed Apr 2, 2025, 09:55 PM
Wednesday

SO if this does pass the House, Trump will surely veto it. Regardless, it's still significant to show that there a multiple Republicans who do not support Trump's unilateral tariff policies.

AlexSFCA

(6,296 posts)
45. not really, effectively dems are helping those repubs keep their senate seats
Wed Apr 2, 2025, 10:15 PM
Wednesday

as they can claim during reelection that they voted against tariffs.

Wiz Imp

(4,588 posts)
46. Sheeesh. People complain and complain that Democrats aren't doing enough
Wed Apr 2, 2025, 10:55 PM
Wednesday

So Now they pass bipartisan legislation which directly repudiates a Trump policy priority -it's an action of significant substance - pretty much as strong and meaningful of an action as it is possible for them to take at this point given their minority status across the board, and you still complain.

And this will have no impact on any Republican's election chances. McConnell is retiring, Rand Paul voters aren't going to be pleased he voted with Democrats and Collins & Murkowski are known quantities at this point. This vote will be meaningless to their voters.

radius777

(3,921 posts)
49. Agree, Dems should have no part of this.
Wed Apr 2, 2025, 11:06 PM
Wednesday

Just step aside and let the GOP own this mess - and when the economy tanks the voters can find out.

Green Line

(1,130 posts)
44. Rand Paul and Mitch had to vote that way
Wed Apr 2, 2025, 10:12 PM
Wednesday

Because of Kentucky bourbon and Canadian thoroughbred brood mares shipping to Kentucky every year to be bred to the big time Kentucky stallions.

Wiz Imp

(4,588 posts)
47. Rand Paul has a consistent history of strongly opposing tariffs
Wed Apr 2, 2025, 10:58 PM
Wednesday

(It burnishes his credentials as a "libertarian&quot . McConnell is retiring and not going through another election so he can do whatever the hell he wants to do.

marble falls

(64,333 posts)
54. Screw all four of them. They brought Mango Jebus to the ball and are now just sitting out a dance.
Thu Apr 3, 2025, 12:47 PM
21 hrs ago
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